Lem, did you mean that as a joke? Because, if not, you may be interested to know that when Wegman’s NSF panel showed that Mann et al’s statistics were flaed (which is a polite way of saying “sucked”), one of the first things that was brought up about him was that he’d been funded by SDIO so must be a Cheney plant.

(I suppose I should note that I too was funded by SDIO in grad school.)

If Bush wanted to trick us into war with Iraq, wouldn’t he have made all of the 9/11 hijackers Iraqi? Blamed Saddam’s intelligence services for the plot?

Also, why go through all of the hullabaloo with ramming planes into the WTC, thus risking eagle-eyed “Truth Seekers” seeing through the deception, when it would have been easier, cheaper, and more iron-clad evidence wise to just detonate a small “terrorist-sized” nuke in a US city?

Earlier in his career, Griffin served as chief engineer and associate administrator for exploration at NASA Headquarters and also worked at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory. He also served as Deputy for Technology at the Strategic Defense Initiative Organization.

And there it is… he is a star wars engineer. This is the guy responsible for getting Putin all steamed up testing missiles before you know it. This is all Bush World War Tree. Its all over the net

Conspiracy anyone?

Take the NASA administrators comments for example.

“I have no doubt that a trend of global warming exists,” Griffin told Inskeep. “I am not sure that it is fair to say that it is a problem we must wrestle with.”
“To assume that it is a problem is to assume that the state of Earth’s climate today is the optimal climate, the best climate that we could have or ever have had and that we need to take steps to make sure that it doesn’t change,” Griffin said. “I guess I would ask which human beings – where and when – are to be accorded the privilege of deciding that this particular climate that we have right here today, right now is the best climate for all other human beings. I think that’s a rather arrogant position for people to take.”

That perfectly cogent statement was immediately twisted and spinned to mean something different.

That caused two problems: entertainers began to believe their opinions were worthy of merit, and the public began to give credit to the opinions of the entertainers.

If I had cancer, I promise you I wouldn’t be seeking medical advice from an actor. So why would I pay any more attention to their uninformed opinions on global warming or any other serious topic?

In the absence of faith, facts just seem unreliable to some people.

That’s so true, Terrye. I continuously read people on JREF’s (James Randi Educational Foundation) forums (http://forums.randi.org/forumdisplay.php?f=64), Screw Loose Change, or other sites saying “I found tons of stuff on the internet about this!!” As if those thousands of sites actually added up to something.

I always want to tell him ‘No, buddy. You didn’t find tons of information. You found an echo chamber. You discovered that the internet can bounce a single ounce of topic endlessly across thousands of sites. You didn’t uncover reams of original data, like some Dan Ellsberg getting handed the Pentagon Papers, you found the web equivalent of ten thousand xeroxes of the same thing. The number of fantasy sites out there doesn’t mean there are thousands of points of individual truth adding up to a narrative. It merely means there are a lot of people willing to duplicate reportage. That’s it.’

Rosie is nothing more than a verbal Xerox. Which is an insult on so many levels, not the least of which is the one that implies she doesn’t think about what she’s outputting, she merely copies, like a dumb machine.

(*Sigh*). Those addicted to conspiracy fantasy just don’t go away. They merely move to other forums and peddle the same old debunked stuff disproven elsewhere.

Anyway, to get more on topic: Rosie’s merely repeating stuff she’s found on Google without properly thinking about it. Or even trying to think about it. That’s her problem: She’s acting as though she’s uncovered the biggest coverup of all time when all she’s doing is falling for mistakes, misinterpretations, or complete fabrications of paranoids in society. For example, the reports of molten steel were made weeks after the collapse (Starting point for research: http://911myths.com/html/wtc_molten_steel.html). Those reports can be explained by continuous exposure to weeks long fires burning in insulated environments (remember (or Google for) the news articles in October and November about fires still raging underneath tons of rubble). No “sighting” of molten steel were made on 9/11 itself, YouTube videos nonwithstanding. Yet, fantasy addicts continue to push molten steel as proof the towers were intentionally demolished.

That stuff Rosie pushes is just completely representative of non-critical thinking. I didn’t think much of her before she became a “truther”, but I think so much less of her now. You really, really have to 1. Be ignorant, and 2. Fully believe you’re the total and exact opposite to fall for such baloney, and that’s what makes me so disrespectful of what Rosie has become. Only intentional idiots gladly running down the path of foolishness fully buy into conspiracy fantasy.