That’s just stupid. The number of voters more conservative than me is miniscule. Suffice it to say that I’m no RINO. Yet, I’m willing to support Guiliani–or if it comes down to it in the general, bite my tongue and support McCain. Maybe it has something to do with fiscal positions or defense positions or judicial positions–that promise to be something a conservative, patriotic American can support.

The perfect should not be the enemy of the good. It’s not only good practical politics, but a conservative notion, in a world where perfection cannot be achieved.

The Supreme Court created this mess in the first place by finding a “right” in an emanation of a penumbra (even though they can’t find a right to keep and bear arms where it is clearly stated). I would be satisfied if the SC stopped its gross over-extension of some rights at the expense of others, and simply ruled that abortion is for the *democratic* process to divide – leave it to state legislatures.

Abortion gives the right to destroy something. Many of us believe that something is a human life. from conception. Most believe that it is a human life sometime before birth. But the Supreme Court does not. Somehow, the moment of birth magically transforms a blob of tissue into a human with full rights.

There are 3 humans whose rights are involved in abortion: the infant (at whatever age you deem it human), the mother and the father.

The current system is skewed wildly towards the rights of the mother. I have a relative who is not even related (per DNA tests) to the “son” for whom he is forced to pay child support. According to the courts, men have absolutely no say in the life or death of their pre-born offspring, even as they pay the costs.

Also…

I would ask Terri – is the product of rape less human? Should one be able to abort that product at the age of full gestation? That is the law today. That a woman bears the greatest burden of procreation is unfair, but it is human biology and nature.

I do not want to impose my religious beliefs by law. They are between me and God.

But it doesn’t take a religious viewpoint to recognize the sacredness of human life. Part of the decadence destroying our society is the moral relativiswm that blurs such obvious values.

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I could vote for Rudi on this issue, if he holds to the “strict constructionist” viewpoint. I don’t care about his personal views on the subject if he keeps them out of the issue the same way I am willing to keep them out of mine.

I do have some other problems with Rudi. His private life seems to indicate irresponsibility. This is a real issue – Bill Clinton’s private irresponsibilities foretold his feckless behavior as president – putting his narcissism above the nation’s welfare. Will Rudi do the same?

And then there’s the gun issue. I have fired a gun in self defense, right here in the US. I don’t want some control freak taking away my right to do so again – especially in defiance of the constitution.

So for me, Rudi is a problem. However, I would vote for him in a second over any of the Democrat candidates so far. Unfortunately, many of my fellow Christians may not be able to vote for the least of the worst, and that could leave us with the worst of the worst – a Democrat president who would destroy our military, leave us open to the many villains of the world (Jihadists, newly fascist Russia, China, etc), and generally screw everything up.

This is from earlier in the post:

Me (mikem): “Funny how that Social Authoritarian thing works. Oppose abortion and one is a misogynist, desiring Society to impose values on an individual, robbing her of Choice. But let her choose to have a child and suddenly the same people who smugly speak of Social Authoritarians have absoultely no problem imposing 18 or better years of economic servitude on the poor smuck who thought he was just hooking up for the summer weekend.
Choice for Women / No Choice for Men.”

Terrye: “Like I said you lied.”
LMAO. Your words are right there to see.
And to top it off, after denying your own words, you say they were taken out of context. No shame.

You’re just a bully, Terrye. You drop “hater” bombs on those who oppose abortion or support men’s rights (“men’s rights my ass”, that’s clear) and then absolve yourself of any responsibility for those slurs. You are not a reasonable voice. Even when you try, you outrageously caricature the pro-life view.

There is a primary season and we will see who wins it. It seems to me that a lot of Republicans do not share your views on this. Maybe you are out of step. We will see. Let the people decide.

It is not about pleasing Democrats. Gulliani is not a Democrat, neither am I.

Now I don’t think that any man who was not responsible for that should have to pay for it. By the same token I don’t think that every woman who gets an abortion for whatever reason should be treated like a slut who killed some poor man’s baby.

It seems to me that mikem has a chip on his shoulder when it comes to women and so he makes a point of attacking anyone who disagrees with his personal views on this subject.

No, I don’t hate infants, but I do dislike demagogues.

You took that remark out of context and you know it.

This is ridiculous.

Like I said you lied.

Rockefeller republicans lost so many elections it was almost hilarious. It was only when we renewed our pledges to sensible government that we regained the majorities in the House and Senate. Reagan was no Rockefeller republican…

Abortion is a major issue…a major portion of the Republican base will simply not vote for a pro abortion candidate. That will not only lose Guiliani the primaries but would destroy him in the General Election since his running would invite a 3rd party candidate. To many folks the tragedy of abortion is nearly as serious as the Islamic Nutjobs.

Guns is a major issue…I simply will not vote for someone who believes that taking away guns is a solution to crime. I didn’t buy it in NYC and I certainly don’t buy it in Louisiana. I have used them several times to protect myself and my family and verily I say that you will have to take my guns from my cold dead fingers. Guiliani fails there as well.

Finally that the elite in both the Democrat and Republican party believe in both of these items only shows why most people simply stay home in disgust. We know they are a bunch of souless bastards who don’t believe a single word of the piety they spread around…problem for them is we do.

So yes Guiliani seems to be strong on the war but putting him into the Whitehouse would be a very dangerous thing from my perspective unless we had Republicans in control of both houses to moderate his liberal tendencies.

It takes two seconds for pro-abortionists to launch these bombs and three seconds to accuse anti-abortionists of being haters. What a life!

I never did anything of the kind, that is a lie.”

Let’s see:

[ Men's right my ass.

Posted by: Terrye at April 12, 2007 3:06 AM

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So, is rape a man's right too? How about slapping the little lady around? If you are going to assume that it is all about a man's right to force his will on a bad baby killing woman, just how far does that right go?

Posted by: Terrye at April 12, 2007 3:10 AM ]