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		<title>By: cubanbob</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/04/13/more-spy-games-or-not/#comment-77077</link>
		<dc:creator>cubanbob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Apr 2006 03:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Godzilla,

&quot; Too aligned with Israel, they argue. Simply pathetic. What, should the U.S. take a more balanced view, i.e. should the U.S. adopt an ambivalent stance on Israel&#039;s right to exist? After all, that does seem to be the main sticking point between the paleos and the Israelis.&quot;

A more balanced stance on Israels right of existence. Hats off, that perhaps is the most concise and eloquent reduction of the anti-Zionist and pro-Arab viewpoint I have ever heard.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Godzilla,</p>
<p>&#8221; Too aligned with Israel, they argue. Simply pathetic. What, should the U.S. take a more balanced view, i.e. should the U.S. adopt an ambivalent stance on Israel&#8217;s right to exist? After all, that does seem to be the main sticking point between the paleos and the Israelis.&#8221;</p>
<p>A more balanced stance on Israels right of existence. Hats off, that perhaps is the most concise and eloquent reduction of the anti-Zionist and pro-Arab viewpoint I have ever heard.</p>
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		<title>By: Godzilla</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/04/13/more-spy-games-or-not/#comment-77076</link>
		<dc:creator>Godzilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the first link:

&quot;The trial comes amid a furor sparked last month by an article by two American academics that argues pro-Israel interest groups have undercut the U.S.&#039;s standing in the Middle East by promoting a policy line too close to Tel Aviv&#039;s. They argue that the U.S. is too aligned with Israel in its position on the Palestinian question, weapons proliferation in the Middle East, and diplomatic ties with a number of Arab states.&quot;

Too aligned with Israel, they argue. Simply pathetic. What, should the U.S. take a more balanced view, i.e. should the U.S. adopt an ambivalent stance on Israel&#039;s right to exist? After all, that does seem to be the main sticking point between the paleos and the Israelis.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the first link:</p>
<p>&#8220;The trial comes amid a furor sparked last month by an article by two American academics that argues pro-Israel interest groups have undercut the U.S.&#8217;s standing in the Middle East by promoting a policy line too close to Tel Aviv&#8217;s. They argue that the U.S. is too aligned with Israel in its position on the Palestinian question, weapons proliferation in the Middle East, and diplomatic ties with a number of Arab states.&#8221;</p>
<p>Too aligned with Israel, they argue. Simply pathetic. What, should the U.S. take a more balanced view, i.e. should the U.S. adopt an ambivalent stance on Israel&#8217;s right to exist? After all, that does seem to be the main sticking point between the paleos and the Israelis.</p>
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		<title>By: cubanbob</title>
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		<dc:creator>cubanbob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose there is no Arab lobby or  espionage conducted by Arab nations. Or Chinese spies or Russian spies or British spies.
Either the above are all amazingly benign, ineffective or more likely quietly settled. Even the Vatican has an intelligence service. It&#039;s only wrong when done by Jews. With everyone else it&#039;s just the business of state, nothing personal.
We of course are perfect gentleman and never spy on anyone. I don&#039;t have a problem dealing with spying, it&#039;s the hypocrisy and double standards that bother me.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose there is no Arab lobby or  espionage conducted by Arab nations. Or Chinese spies or Russian spies or British spies.<br />
Either the above are all amazingly benign, ineffective or more likely quietly settled. Even the Vatican has an intelligence service. It&#8217;s only wrong when done by Jews. With everyone else it&#8217;s just the business of state, nothing personal.<br />
We of course are perfect gentleman and never spy on anyone. I don&#8217;t have a problem dealing with spying, it&#8217;s the hypocrisy and double standards that bother me.</p>
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		<title>By: flenser</title>
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		<dc:creator>flenser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; ..the two lobbyists, in receiving and disseminating classified information, are doing what journalists, academics and experts at think tanks do every day.&lt;/i&gt;

I don&#039;t think that academics and experts at think tanks really disseminate classified information everyday. To the extent that journalists do this, in violation of the law, it is an argument to crack down on them rather than to turn a blind eye to other instances of illegal activity.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> ..the two lobbyists, in receiving and disseminating classified information, are doing what journalists, academics and experts at think tanks do every day.</i></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that academics and experts at think tanks really disseminate classified information everyday. To the extent that journalists do this, in violation of the law, it is an argument to crack down on them rather than to turn a blind eye to other instances of illegal activity.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Thomson

It seems to me that many on the Left cannot stand the pressure induced by the implicit antisemitism (dual loyalty accusation, and such, - funny but in the PC atmosphere nowhere is a Muslim accused of that even when the Jew&#039;s accuser is confronted with explicit statements to the effect the Islam reigns supreme) in the US and the explicit discrimination in Britain and the rest of Europe, so much so that they jetison the concept of right and wrong and replace it with a relativistic balancing act.

Surfing the blogs brings to light interesting behaviour such as this:
&quot;Reconciliation Needed in SA Jewish Community&quot;
http://supernatural.blogs.com/weblog/2006/04/reconciliation_.html

&quot; They have begun to see the Beth Din as the Jewish equivalent to the ayatollahs of Iran.
This irrational fear has unfortunately been stoked by a small group of ëprogressiveí Jewish intellectuals who are determined to paint the Orthodox Rabbinate as religious fundamentalists. &quot;

One must consider the political atmosphere of blatant antisemitism in the SA media because of its anti-Israel stance, as a factor.
The more conservative ones see strength in numbers while the left cringe and cower under the deluge and seek &#039;appeasement&#039; by attacking those rocking the boat.
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<p>It seems to me that many on the Left cannot stand the pressure induced by the implicit antisemitism (dual loyalty accusation, and such, &#8211; funny but in the PC atmosphere nowhere is a Muslim accused of that even when the Jew&#8217;s accuser is confronted with explicit statements to the effect the Islam reigns supreme) in the US and the explicit discrimination in Britain and the rest of Europe, so much so that they jetison the concept of right and wrong and replace it with a relativistic balancing act.</p>
<p>Surfing the blogs brings to light interesting behaviour such as this:<br />
&#8220;Reconciliation Needed in SA Jewish Community&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://supernatural.blogs.com/weblog/2006/04/reconciliation_.html" rel="nofollow">http://supernatural.blogs.com/weblog/2006/04/reconciliation_.html</a></p>
<p>&#8221; They have begun to see the Beth Din as the Jewish equivalent to the ayatollahs of Iran.<br />
This irrational fear has unfortunately been stoked by a small group of ëprogressiveí Jewish intellectuals who are determined to paint the Orthodox Rabbinate as religious fundamentalists. &#8221;</p>
<p>One must consider the political atmosphere of blatant antisemitism in the SA media because of its anti-Israel stance, as a factor.<br />
The more conservative ones see strength in numbers while the left cringe and cower under the deluge and seek &#8216;appeasement&#8217; by attacking those rocking the boat.</p>
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		<title>By: David Thomson</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Thomson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ìAnd who&#039;s accusing who of anti-Semitism?î

Am I wrong to point out that Reform Jews are usually politically left-wing?  Such individuals are subconsciously motivated to pretend that their non-Jewish allies have not turned into enemies.  And yes, it is also quite fair to add that numerous Reform Jews are ìself hatingî and despise the state of Israel.  Do you ever visit http://www.keshertalk.com/ ?  I well remember a contributor of this blog complaining about the crazy left-wing views of numerous Reform Jew rabbis, especially the younger ones.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ìAnd who&#8217;s accusing who of anti-Semitism?î</p>
<p>Am I wrong to point out that Reform Jews are usually politically left-wing?  Such individuals are subconsciously motivated to pretend that their non-Jewish allies have not turned into enemies.  And yes, it is also quite fair to add that numerous Reform Jews are ìself hatingî and despise the state of Israel.  Do you ever visit <a href="http://www.keshertalk.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.keshertalk.com/</a> ?  I well remember a contributor of this blog complaining about the crazy left-wing views of numerous Reform Jew rabbis, especially the younger ones.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynic</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/04/13/more-spy-games-or-not/#comment-77071</link>
		<dc:creator>Cynic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; These officials say they&#039;re eager to see the legal process run its course, but are concerned about the lack of transparency in the case. &quot;

Like the Pollard case?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; These officials say they&#8217;re eager to see the legal process run its course, but are concerned about the lack of transparency in the case. &#8221;</p>
<p>Like the Pollard case?</p>
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		<title>By: Cynic</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/04/13/more-spy-games-or-not/#comment-77070</link>
		<dc:creator>Cynic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;... included the circumstances surrounding the recent seizure by the Israeli government of the Karine A‚Äîa boat loaded with Iranian-made rockets, anti-tank grenades and C-4 explosives that Israeli officials charged was destined for the Palestinian Authority headed by Yasir Arafat. &quot;

What are we to make of this ? That perhaps the Israelis were not supposed to get wind of the Karine A and apprehend the ship?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230; included the circumstances surrounding the recent seizure by the Israeli government of the Karine A‚Äîa boat loaded with Iranian-made rockets, anti-tank grenades and C-4 explosives that Israeli officials charged was destined for the Palestinian Authority headed by Yasir Arafat. &#8221;</p>
<p>What are we to make of this ? That perhaps the Israelis were not supposed to get wind of the Karine A and apprehend the ship?</p>
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		<title>By: ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Reform Jews are part of the problem&lt;/i&gt;

And who&#039;s accusing who of anti-Semitism?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Reform Jews are part of the problem</i></p>
<p>And who&#8217;s accusing who of anti-Semitism?</p>
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		<title>By: David Thomson</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Thomson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I don&#039;t see a gathering storm&quot; against the Jewish community, says David Saperstein, director of the Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism in Washington. &quot;Most people seem to be focusing on individuals rather than a conspiracy.&quot;

Reform Jews are similar to Unitarian-Universalists.  These folks are usually crazed left-wingers!  They often agree with the slanders against Israel.  Reform Jews are part of the problem. Waking up to reality would compel them to sever relationships of long standing.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I don&#8217;t see a gathering storm&#8221; against the Jewish community, says David Saperstein, director of the Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism in Washington. &#8220;Most people seem to be focusing on individuals rather than a conspiracy.&#8221;</p>
<p>Reform Jews are similar to Unitarian-Universalists.  These folks are usually crazed left-wingers!  They often agree with the slanders against Israel.  Reform Jews are part of the problem. Waking up to reality would compel them to sever relationships of long standing.</p>
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