Comments on: Does Pajamas Media deserve credit for the release of the Saddam Documents? http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/03/16/does-pajamas-media-deserve-credit-for-the-release-of-the-saddam-documents/ The blog of the mystery writer, screenwriter and CEO of Pajamas Media Thu, 16 Feb 2012 06:23:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: FredLee http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/03/16/does-pajamas-media-deserve-credit-for-the-release-of-the-saddam-documents/#comment-75889 FredLee Sun, 19 Mar 2006 16:59:17 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/03/16/does-pajamas-media-deserve-credit-for-the-release-of-the-saddam-documents/#comment-75889 Congratulations on your part in this effort, which was probably also championed by other "Davids" in the blogosphere such as <a href="http://www.iris.org.il/blog/archives/896-Saddams-Terror-Training-Camps.html" rel="nofollow">IRIS Blog</a> (January 8): "The severe shortage of reliable Arab translation resources has shown itself to be a major security vulnerability and a recurring theme. In short, <b>it can be solved by turning to an open source collaboration model</b> (with security provisions where necessary)" Congratulations on your part in this effort, which was probably also championed by other “Davids” in the blogosphere such as IRIS Blog (January 8):

“The severe shortage of reliable Arab translation resources has shown itself to be a major security vulnerability and a recurring theme. In short, it can be solved by turning to an open source collaboration model (with security provisions where necessary)”

]]> By: Jeff M http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/03/16/does-pajamas-media-deserve-credit-for-the-release-of-the-saddam-documents/#comment-75888 Jeff M Sat, 18 Mar 2006 15:34:07 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/03/16/does-pajamas-media-deserve-credit-for-the-release-of-the-saddam-documents/#comment-75888 Stephen Hayes <a href="http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/011/990ieqmb.asp" rel="nofollow">most recent article</a> in the Weekly Standard is a real eye-opener too. Stephen Hayes most recent article in the Weekly Standard is a real eye-opener too.

]]> By: Jeff M http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/03/16/does-pajamas-media-deserve-credit-for-the-release-of-the-saddam-documents/#comment-75887 Jeff M Sat, 18 Mar 2006 14:31:14 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/03/16/does-pajamas-media-deserve-credit-for-the-release-of-the-saddam-documents/#comment-75887 I would also remind everyone of the <a href="http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1051125568653&call_pageid=968332188492&col=968793972154&DPL=IvsNDS%2f7ChAX&tacodalogin=yes" rel="nofollow">documents found by Mitch Potter of the Toronto Star.</a> I have looked long and hard for a full translation of them and cannot find it. Does anyone else know where this might be posted? I would also remind everyone of the documents found by Mitch Potter of the Toronto Star. I have looked long and hard for a full translation of them and cannot find it. Does anyone else know where this might be posted?

]]> By: Jeff M http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/03/16/does-pajamas-media-deserve-credit-for-the-release-of-the-saddam-documents/#comment-75886 Jeff M Sat, 18 Mar 2006 13:42:03 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/03/16/does-pajamas-media-deserve-credit-for-the-release-of-the-saddam-documents/#comment-75886 I would like to remind everyone that CNS News <a href="http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPrint.asp?Page=%5CSpecialReports%5Carchive%5C200410%5CSPE20041004a.html" rel="nofollow">revealed the existance</a> of 42 pages of important Iraqi documents in October 2004. They subsequently went on to <a href="http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=%5CNation%5Carchive%5C200410%5CNAT20041011a.html" rel="nofollow">publish them in their entirety</a>. I would suggest that these be added to this to the PJM archive. I would like to remind everyone that CNS News revealed the existance of 42 pages of important Iraqi documents in October 2004. They subsequently went on to publish them in their entirety. I would suggest that these be added to this to the PJM archive.

]]> By: jaafar http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/03/16/does-pajamas-media-deserve-credit-for-the-release-of-the-saddam-documents/#comment-75885 jaafar Sat, 18 Mar 2006 06:35:01 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/03/16/does-pajamas-media-deserve-credit-for-the-release-of-the-saddam-documents/#comment-75885 Links: http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/documents-docex/Iraq/CMPC-2004-002219-0.pdf The second document has changed since yesterday. The Al-Qaeda documents have moved to another website, and this document now has an accurate translation, apparently. http://www.ctc.usma.edu/aq/AFGP-2002-000078-Trans.pdf There's at least one new document on the Leavenworth site today. Links:

http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/documents-docex/Iraq/CMPC-2004-002219-0.pdf

The second document has changed since yesterday. The Al-Qaeda documents have moved to another website, and this document now has an accurate translation, apparently.

http://www.ctc.usma.edu/aq/AFGP-2002-000078-Trans.pdf

There’s at least one new document on the Leavenworth site today.

]]> By: Fresh Air http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/03/16/does-pajamas-media-deserve-credit-for-the-release-of-the-saddam-documents/#comment-75884 Fresh Air Sat, 18 Mar 2006 05:42:27 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/03/16/does-pajamas-media-deserve-credit-for-the-release-of-the-saddam-documents/#comment-75884 I third Rick Ballard's suggestion, third Sandy P's suggestion and second Barbara Skolaut's suggestion. To wit, put out the <b>dedicated tip jar</b> to pay for translators and hire a few. Maybe you could do it through the Internet with appropriate quality controls. Maybe administer a one-page test or something to make sure they know Arabic? There seem to be lots of Middle Easterners who need jobs, and very few Arabic speakers in the U.S. who don't already have them. I third Rick Ballard’s suggestion, third Sandy P’s suggestion and second Barbara Skolaut’s suggestion. To wit, put out the dedicated tip jar to pay for translators and hire a few. Maybe you could do it through the Internet with appropriate quality controls. Maybe administer a one-page test or something to make sure they know Arabic?

There seem to be lots of Middle Easterners who need jobs, and very few Arabic speakers in the U.S. who don’t already have them.

]]> By: Barry Dauphin http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/03/16/does-pajamas-media-deserve-credit-for-the-release-of-the-saddam-documents/#comment-75883 Barry Dauphin Fri, 17 Mar 2006 23:26:42 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/03/16/does-pajamas-media-deserve-credit-for-the-release-of-the-saddam-documents/#comment-75883 I second Rick Ballard's suggestion. I second Rick Ballard’s suggestion.

]]> By: Rick Ballard http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/03/16/does-pajamas-media-deserve-credit-for-the-release-of-the-saddam-documents/#comment-75882 Rick Ballard Fri, 17 Mar 2006 22:18:24 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/03/16/does-pajamas-media-deserve-credit-for-the-release-of-the-saddam-documents/#comment-75882 Roger, PM certainly gets credit from me on this - a push in the right place at the right time does wonders. Two suggestions - prior to highlighting a "hot" find - have a second translator provide an independent translation. Second, ask one of the ITM brothers to propose a translation service at a university that is big on teaching English - students can do enough 'rough' translating to determine whether a doc is 'hot' or is a maintenance schedule. 'Hot' docs get passed up to proficient English speakers (after the student does a first draft and is acknowledged). This should also be the least expensive way to get a lot of docs translated - make it homework. Roger,

PM certainly gets credit from me on this – a push in the right place at the right time does wonders.

Two suggestions – prior to highlighting a “hot” find – have a second translator provide an independent translation. Second, ask one of the ITM brothers to propose a translation service at a university that is big on teaching English – students can do enough ‘rough’ translating to determine whether a doc is ‘hot’ or is a maintenance schedule. ‘Hot’ docs get passed up to proficient English speakers (after the student does a first draft and is acknowledged). This should also be the least expensive way to get a lot of docs translated – make it homework.

]]> By: Kevin Peters http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/03/16/does-pajamas-media-deserve-credit-for-the-release-of-the-saddam-documents/#comment-75881 Kevin Peters Fri, 17 Mar 2006 20:09:04 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/03/16/does-pajamas-media-deserve-credit-for-the-release-of-the-saddam-documents/#comment-75881 Roger: This is exactly what the blogosphere is designed for. As far as any disputes over translations the fact that the raw material is open for everyone to look at puts pressure on anyone who might try to mistranslate for political gain. This would have had taken decades for official Washington to sift through and depending what party was in office the possibilty that the truth, whatever direction it leads, would be silenced. Could some of the info be bad for America? Possibly.But my bet is against those who promote the idea that letting Saddam stay in power was the path to follow will be the big losers. I can't wait for the results. Imagine if all of the truth about Stalin had been released in 1956. We might have been spared 4 decades of the myths that were spread by the Communist apologists. Roger:

This is exactly what the blogosphere is designed for. As far as any disputes over translations the fact that the raw material is open for everyone to look at puts pressure on anyone who might try to mistranslate for political gain. This would have had taken decades for official Washington to sift through and depending what party was in office the possibilty that the truth, whatever direction it leads, would be silenced. Could some of the info be bad for America? Possibly.But my bet is against those who promote the idea that letting Saddam stay in power was the path to follow will be the big losers. I can’t wait for the results. Imagine if all of the truth about Stalin had been released in 1956. We might have been spared 4 decades of the myths that were spread by the Communist apologists.

]]> By: Knucklehead http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/03/16/does-pajamas-media-deserve-credit-for-the-release-of-the-saddam-documents/#comment-75880 Knucklehead Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:35:42 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/03/16/does-pajamas-media-deserve-credit-for-the-release-of-the-saddam-documents/#comment-75880 I'm in for the Sandy P idea. Open a tipjar (please use something in addition to paypal - like the amazon version) to help pay for translators. Now all we need is to find out how far $30 or $40 will take this. Jafaar, Can you link to what you are describing? I’m in for the Sandy P idea. Open a tipjar (please use something in addition to paypal – like the amazon version) to help pay for translators. Now all we need is to find out how far $30 or $40 will take this.

Jafaar,

Can you link to what you are describing?

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