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		<title>By: photoncourier.blogspot.com</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2006/01/04/going-to-sleep-and-waking-up/#comment-72346</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2006 21:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m reminded of what George Orwell said about the coal miner:



&quot;He is a sort of grimy caryatid upon whose shoulders nearly everything that is not grimy is supported.&quot;



Written in the 1930s, when coal was absolutely dominant in energy production...but even now, coal supports an awfully big part of our civilization.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m reminded of what George Orwell said about the coal miner:</p>
<p>&#8220;He is a sort of grimy caryatid upon whose shoulders nearly everything that is not grimy is supported.&#8221;</p>
<p>Written in the 1930s, when coal was absolutely dominant in energy production&#8230;but even now, coal supports an awfully big part of our civilization.</p>
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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2006 20:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keith:



I heard Hatfield talk about this and he said that they knew within the first hour that they would have to clarify, but he did not want to do it more than once. In other words he did not want to come out with statement after statement.



Someone just jumped the gun and the media ran with it. And you know, maybe they hoped it was true, and people were alive.



Very sad.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keith:</p>
<p>I heard Hatfield talk about this and he said that they knew within the first hour that they would have to clarify, but he did not want to do it more than once. In other words he did not want to come out with statement after statement.</p>
<p>Someone just jumped the gun and the media ran with it. And you know, maybe they hoped it was true, and people were alive.</p>
<p>Very sad.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith_Indy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith_Indy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2006 20:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth



http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/01/04/D8EU32887.html



The head of the company that owns a West Virginia coal mine where 12 miners died says the owners &quot;sincerely regret&quot; that families erroneously believed for three hours that their loved ones were alive.



Ben Hatfield says about 45 minutes after an initial erroneous report that 12 miners had survived, word came that all but one of the miners were dead. He says the immediate reaction was that the report could be wrong. And he says company officials didn&#039;t feel it was prudent to pass that along to families, without being sure.



He says, &quot;In the process of being cautious, we allowed the jubilation to go on longer than it should have.&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth</p>
<p><a href="http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/01/04/D8EU32887.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/01/04/D8EU32887.html</a></p>
<p>The head of the company that owns a West Virginia coal mine where 12 miners died says the owners &#8220;sincerely regret&#8221; that families erroneously believed for three hours that their loved ones were alive.</p>
<p>Ben Hatfield says about 45 minutes after an initial erroneous report that 12 miners had survived, word came that all but one of the miners were dead. He says the immediate reaction was that the report could be wrong. And he says company officials didn&#8217;t feel it was prudent to pass that along to families, without being sure.</p>
<p>He says, &#8220;In the process of being cautious, we allowed the jubilation to go on longer than it should have.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2006 20:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to sound like an old fart..but once upon a time the press would have been kept at arm&#039;s length in a situation like this and they would have given out the information after the Authorities released a statement to them.



Imagine that, waiting for confirmation..how quaint.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to sound like an old fart..but once upon a time the press would have been kept at arm&#8217;s length in a situation like this and they would have given out the information after the Authorities released a statement to them.</p>
<p>Imagine that, waiting for confirmation..how quaint.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith_Indy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith_Indy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2006 20:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IVV - The families heard the initial reports from the Company, not the media. As much as I understand the desire of some to blame the media for everything, the Company is the culprit here.



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Unfortunetly there isn&#039;t a shread of evidence that I&#039;ve seen as to who actually told the families the initial &quot;good news&quot;



A couple of rumors, but nothing concrete.



And it WAS the media that compounded any initial error.



And the Company was correct in wanting to get the facts straight before telling the family.



That they didn&#039;t come out and say, wait that rumor you heard was wrong, and NOT have the truth, wouldn&#039;t have been a decision I would want to make.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IVV &#8211; The families heard the initial reports from the Company, not the media. As much as I understand the desire of some to blame the media for everything, the Company is the culprit here.</p>
<p>************</p>
<p>Unfortunetly there isn&#8217;t a shread of evidence that I&#8217;ve seen as to who actually told the families the initial &#8220;good news&#8221;</p>
<p>A couple of rumors, but nothing concrete.</p>
<p>And it WAS the media that compounded any initial error.</p>
<p>And the Company was correct in wanting to get the facts straight before telling the family.</p>
<p>That they didn&#8217;t come out and say, wait that rumor you heard was wrong, and NOT have the truth, wouldn&#8217;t have been a decision I would want to make.</p>
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		<title>By: Lola</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2006 19:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, absolutely, you&#039;re right.  But people like Matt Lauer don&#039;t understand that.  And these are the folks who shape our opinions, one way or the other.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, absolutely, you&#8217;re right.  But people like Matt Lauer don&#8217;t understand that.  And these are the folks who shape our opinions, one way or the other.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandy P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2006 19:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s see, 6/10th of a mile to get to the track, 2 miles of track away from the opening to bring them up.



Performing CPR wearing full-face masks and carrying oxygen on 13 people.



I can understand garbled.




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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s see, 6/10th of a mile to get to the track, 2 miles of track away from the opening to bring them up.</p>
<p>Performing CPR wearing full-face masks and carrying oxygen on 13 people.</p>
<p>I can understand garbled.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Z</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2006 19:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In our postmodern media culture,where &quot;feelings&quot; trump &quot;knowledge&quot; and journalism is regarded by its practitioners as a profession that only those who inhabit the rarified bubble of liberal arts post-secondary education and the contemporary newsroom are fit to practice, this tragic miscommunication is hardly surprising. We certainly saw it with Katrina, where virtually every &quot;fact&quot; disseminated by the media during the first 72 hours turned out to be wrong, and we see it every day in the hopelessly wrongheaded coverage of science, the GWOT and the economy. These people know nothing.



Once upon a time Journalism was a craft practiced by adults with real-life experience in the military, in small business, on the farm, or public service where the wisdom gained by actual knowledge informed the best coverage of complex issues. Now we have method acting meat-puppets with good hair and soft academic degrees.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In our postmodern media culture,where &#8220;feelings&#8221; trump &#8220;knowledge&#8221; and journalism is regarded by its practitioners as a profession that only those who inhabit the rarified bubble of liberal arts post-secondary education and the contemporary newsroom are fit to practice, this tragic miscommunication is hardly surprising. We certainly saw it with Katrina, where virtually every &#8220;fact&#8221; disseminated by the media during the first 72 hours turned out to be wrong, and we see it every day in the hopelessly wrongheaded coverage of science, the GWOT and the economy. These people know nothing.</p>
<p>Once upon a time Journalism was a craft practiced by adults with real-life experience in the military, in small business, on the farm, or public service where the wisdom gained by actual knowledge informed the best coverage of complex issues. Now we have method acting meat-puppets with good hair and soft academic degrees.</p>
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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2006 18:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IVV:



You do not have the slightest idea what you are talking about.



The media did the same thing here that they did with Katrina... they decided they would get the maximum mileage out of someone else&#039;s pain and suffering.



I live in Indiana. I know coal miners. I know how these kinds of thing works. I know of people who have actually lost people in these kinds of accidents and the truth is nobody knew anything for sure within twenty minutes. That is the whole damn point.



People don&#039;t know anything about the business, they do not know if the management was negligent or not, they do not understand the citations or what they mean, they don&#039;t even know what it entailed in a rescue like this.



I got up last night and turned on the TV and I smelled a rat immediately. I knew there had been no confirmation from the mining people of what had happened. There had been no press conference called.



There was just a lot of idiot reporters making a bad situation worse than it had to be for the sheer nasty fun of it and now before the first miner has even been buried the media and their loyal fan club are all ready trying to find someone to blame.



Mining is a dangerous business. My father was a roughneck on the oil rigs and damn near died in a terrible accident many years ago. There are certain kinds of jobs that carry inherent risks. So before we turn that manager Hatfield into Micheal Brown maybe we should wait and see what is going on.



BTW, if anything comes of this it will be more paperwork, more regulations, and in the end people will still die in terrible accidents like this.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IVV:</p>
<p>You do not have the slightest idea what you are talking about.</p>
<p>The media did the same thing here that they did with Katrina&#8230; they decided they would get the maximum mileage out of someone else&#8217;s pain and suffering.</p>
<p>I live in Indiana. I know coal miners. I know how these kinds of thing works. I know of people who have actually lost people in these kinds of accidents and the truth is nobody knew anything for sure within twenty minutes. That is the whole damn point.</p>
<p>People don&#8217;t know anything about the business, they do not know if the management was negligent or not, they do not understand the citations or what they mean, they don&#8217;t even know what it entailed in a rescue like this.</p>
<p>I got up last night and turned on the TV and I smelled a rat immediately. I knew there had been no confirmation from the mining people of what had happened. There had been no press conference called.</p>
<p>There was just a lot of idiot reporters making a bad situation worse than it had to be for the sheer nasty fun of it and now before the first miner has even been buried the media and their loyal fan club are all ready trying to find someone to blame.</p>
<p>Mining is a dangerous business. My father was a roughneck on the oil rigs and damn near died in a terrible accident many years ago. There are certain kinds of jobs that carry inherent risks. So before we turn that manager Hatfield into Micheal Brown maybe we should wait and see what is going on.</p>
<p>BTW, if anything comes of this it will be more paperwork, more regulations, and in the end people will still die in terrible accidents like this.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandy P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2006 18:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The MSM is blaming the families?????????????
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The MSM is blaming the families?????????????</p>
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