Our friend Monkyboy could still indeed be a Republican.

I have noticed that far Right considers Iraqis/Arabs *incapable* of self-government, just as the Left does. (Monkyboy has in fact said almost exactly that on a previous thread.)

For that reason, these people consider the entire mission completely doomed and therefore disregard everything except body count and monetary expense.

“On the other hand, the last 2 months were the 5th and 6th worst months for U.S. soldier deaths since the “war” began 33 months(almost 3 years) ago…”

Posted by: monkyboy [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 2, 2005 07:48

Completely ignores the recent operations conducted by troops to clear terrorist strongholds.

All right then…make it the last 27 minutes….

A mind nourished on lies will still grow, but it will grow in a monstrous way analogous to a tumor. Rather than being a unity, it will be an agglomeration. It will be riven by contradiction, and there will be no true synthesis of its elements. Indeed, this is one of the reasons why it is so difficult to argue with a leftist. Such an individual will freely believe all kinds of mutually contradictory things, such as “our soldiers are engaged in a genocidal war based on lies, and I support the troops,” or “President Bush lied about WMD, and President Clinton was telling the truth about them,” or “we should have prevented North Korea from obtaining nukes, and Saddam was not a threat to obtain them.” At the same time, the leftist will unconsciously “attack” the connecting links in your own psyche, giving you the subjective experience of what it must be like to be them.

I call bullshit as well…I do not beleive any self respecting lifelong Republican would vote for Kerry because the liberal Democrat from MA is fiscal conservative. puhleaze…

I am a social liberal too and I think that if some poor bastard wants to say Merry Christmas he should damn well be able to do it.

And if what monkey boy says is true, why did we fight in WW2? After all sooner or later Tojo and Hilter would have been ovrrthrown by the masses anyway. All we had to say we were really really sorry if we did anything to offend and promise to never ever do any thing to offend again, take what was left of our Navy and slink back to the mainland, tell the Aussies and Brits they were on their own, bid Europe farewell….and let nature takes its course.

you betcha.

2)”I’m a fiscal conservative and a social liberal.

Bill Clinton did far better restraining the growth of governemnt than the Republicans have since they took over.”

So why didn’t you vote for Clinton? Were you putting your second principle into action?

3)”On the social side, the Republicans have thrown in with our own religious fanatics. Not a big fan of religious police telling people what they can do in their own homes…”

4)”I believe the surest way to defeat it is let people see what it’s like to live under it. The Mullahs of Iran are the best example…they will eventually be overthrown.”

Points 1 and 2 are contradictory as are 3 and 4

It is all right for the Iranians to live under religious fanatics but not Monkeyboy.

But please don’t try to include WWII because that wil screw up everything.

Oh, and don’t mention the differences between North and South Korea.

And don’t include the ongoing low-grade warfare from about 20 minutes after the armistice was signed (my father flew missions against the Russians shortly after the Japanese surrender, a bit of history not often mentioned) until cost and attrition caused the USSR to collapse. (Oh, that’s not the result of violence? Well, then, the Napoleanic Wars weren’t won by violence either. In both cases, your argument might be heard politely, but then laughed off.)

Murder, rape, assault, molesting kids, things of that nature, are doubtless a little less acceptable now than then, but, hey, how many of us want to DO that sort of thing in our own homes, anyway?

One thing we can’t do now in our own homes that we could do under Clinton, is watch our children absorb the details of oral sex, date-rape, male chauvinism, influence-peddling, abuse-of-power, and general contempt for the nation and its people and its institutions, that flooded 24/7 x 8 years from the White House through all the media channels and into the home (during which time Congress was forcing the reforms that ‘made’ whatever WAS ‘made’ of that presidency).

On the social side, the Republicans have thrown in with our own religious fanatics. Not a big fan of religious police telling people what they can do in their own homes

Hey, I’m not either. But that’s a strawman. Argue reality, not fantasy.

I don’t like being told what I can talk about and what words I can use. Political Correctness didn’t start with Repubs you know. And it affects free speech, one of our most precious rights.

One side complains about TV shows I shouldn’t watch, the other about foods I shouldn’t eat.

The upshot is to fight them both and decide who you want to govern for other reasons.