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		<title>By: Salt Lick</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2005/11/28/hey-but-i-thought-he-was-a-secular-leader/#comment-69911</link>
		<dc:creator>Salt Lick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it does remind me of Bill Clinton&#039;s conspicuously carrying a Bible to church during his Monica troubles.  I wish someone would post his and Saddam&#039;s holy-book carrying photos together, although I think Bill and &lt;a href=&quot;http://archives.tcm.ie/breakingnews/2003/04/14/story95453.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Uday &lt;/a&gt; would have understood each other better.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it does remind me of Bill Clinton&#8217;s conspicuously carrying a Bible to church during his Monica troubles.  I wish someone would post his and Saddam&#8217;s holy-book carrying photos together, although I think Bill and <a href="http://archives.tcm.ie/breakingnews/2003/04/14/story95453.asp" rel="nofollow">Uday </a> would have understood each other better.</p>
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		<title>By: James Wolf</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2005/11/28/hey-but-i-thought-he-was-a-secular-leader/#comment-69910</link>
		<dc:creator>James Wolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2005 00:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reminds me of one of my clients who brought a Bible to his violation of probation sentencing... He also brought his social worker, a litany of excuses and complaints of illness.  The joke was that the judge who was to sentence him was not there.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reminds me of one of my clients who brought a Bible to his violation of probation sentencing&#8230; He also brought his social worker, a litany of excuses and complaints of illness.  The joke was that the judge who was to sentence him was not there.</p>
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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2005 23:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didn&#039;t Saddam have the Koran written in his blood?



I think the only people who believe Arabs can not be oppurtunistic are simple minded liberals.



BTW, I don&#039;t know if Saddam had anything to do with 9/11 or not, but he was connected to the first attack on the WTC and so far as I know the Democrats calling Bush a liar could care less. I guess it is not the malice that matters, it is the body count.




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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t Saddam have the Koran written in his blood?</p>
<p>I think the only people who believe Arabs can not be oppurtunistic are simple minded liberals.</p>
<p>BTW, I don&#8217;t know if Saddam had anything to do with 9/11 or not, but he was connected to the first attack on the WTC and so far as I know the Democrats calling Bush a liar could care less. I guess it is not the malice that matters, it is the body count.</p>
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		<title>By: Connecticut Yankee</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2005/11/28/hey-but-i-thought-he-was-a-secular-leader/#comment-69908</link>
		<dc:creator>Connecticut Yankee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About Saddam&#039;s Koran-- maybe he&#039;s just cramming for his finals.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About Saddam&#8217;s Koran&#8211; maybe he&#8217;s just cramming for his finals.</p>
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		<title>By: Chandler Rosenberger</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2005/11/28/hey-but-i-thought-he-was-a-secular-leader/#comment-69907</link>
		<dc:creator>Chandler Rosenberger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a myth that Saddam and other Ba&#039;athists were strictly secular.  According to Ba&#039;ath party ideology, Islam was the flame that purified the spirit of Arab nationalism.  Consider this quote from the July 1943 manifesto, the founding document of Ba&#039;athism:



&quot;We wish that a full awakening in Arab Christians of their nationalism takes place, so that they can see in Islam a nationalist education for themselves, which they must cherish and fill themselves of because it is part of their nature and history, and because it is an arena in which the Arabs have proved their ability in thought, moral force, and spiritual ascendancy.&quot; (quoted in Republic of Fear, p. 198).



Christian Arabs, in other words, had to convert to Islam in order to be good Arabs.  Not exactly opposed to Islam, those Ba&#039;athists.



Admittedly, this is probably not the most sincere expression of religion.  It&#039;s common for nationalists to seize on religion as a way to make distinctions from other groups -- just look at all those drunken Yugoslav soldiers who wore ostentatious crosses as they slaughtered Bosnian Muslims.  But nor does it mean, as Carl Levin suggested this weekend, that Saddam was dead-set opposed to Islamists.  If he were, why would he have hosted annual conferences in Baghdad to bring Islamic radicals together -- conferences that Zawahiri and Zarqawi both attended?




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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a myth that Saddam and other Ba&#8217;athists were strictly secular.  According to Ba&#8217;ath party ideology, Islam was the flame that purified the spirit of Arab nationalism.  Consider this quote from the July 1943 manifesto, the founding document of Ba&#8217;athism:</p>
<p>&#8220;We wish that a full awakening in Arab Christians of their nationalism takes place, so that they can see in Islam a nationalist education for themselves, which they must cherish and fill themselves of because it is part of their nature and history, and because it is an arena in which the Arabs have proved their ability in thought, moral force, and spiritual ascendancy.&#8221; (quoted in Republic of Fear, p. 198).</p>
<p>Christian Arabs, in other words, had to convert to Islam in order to be good Arabs.  Not exactly opposed to Islam, those Ba&#8217;athists.</p>
<p>Admittedly, this is probably not the most sincere expression of religion.  It&#8217;s common for nationalists to seize on religion as a way to make distinctions from other groups &#8212; just look at all those drunken Yugoslav soldiers who wore ostentatious crosses as they slaughtered Bosnian Muslims.  But nor does it mean, as Carl Levin suggested this weekend, that Saddam was dead-set opposed to Islamists.  If he were, why would he have hosted annual conferences in Baghdad to bring Islamic radicals together &#8212; conferences that Zawahiri and Zarqawi both attended?</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Poinsett</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2005/11/28/hey-but-i-thought-he-was-a-secular-leader/#comment-69906</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Poinsett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Come to think of it, do we even know if Bin Laden and Zarqawi are really believers or just expoliting religious belief for political gain? Of course, we don&#039;t.&lt;/i&gt;



I often asked the same question about Slick Willie.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Come to think of it, do we even know if Bin Laden and Zarqawi are really believers or just expoliting religious belief for political gain? Of course, we don&#8217;t.</i></p>
<p>I often asked the same question about Slick Willie.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Curley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat Curley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the old saw about patriotism being the last refuge of a scoundrel needs some updating.  Remember Clinton walking to church with his bible the week after the Lewinsky scandal broke?



As for Saddam&#039;s connection with 9-11, it appears to me that the only folks claiming they were duped by this are liberal Democrats who opposed the war.  Which raises the question as to who&#039;s duping whom?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the old saw about patriotism being the last refuge of a scoundrel needs some updating.  Remember Clinton walking to church with his bible the week after the Lewinsky scandal broke?</p>
<p>As for Saddam&#8217;s connection with 9-11, it appears to me that the only folks claiming they were duped by this are liberal Democrats who opposed the war.  Which raises the question as to who&#8217;s duping whom?</p>
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		<title>By: GinaCobb</title>
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		<dc:creator>GinaCobb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Related post:



&lt;b&gt;Saddam&#039;s Trial Begins--And the Poor Dictator Has No Pen!&lt;/b&gt;

http://ginacobb.typepad.com/gina_cobb/2005/11/saddams_trial_b.html


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Related post:</p>
<p><b>Saddam&#8217;s Trial Begins&#8211;And the Poor Dictator Has No Pen!</b></p>
<p><a href="http://ginacobb.typepad.com/gina_cobb/2005/11/saddams_trial_b.html" rel="nofollow">http://ginacobb.typepad.com/gina_cobb/2005/11/saddams_trial_b.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: clarkstooksbury</title>
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		<dc:creator>clarkstooksbury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh I get it. The fact that he carried a Koran proves that he was behind 9/11.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh I get it. The fact that he carried a Koran proves that he was behind 9/11.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie (Colorado)</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2005/11/28/hey-but-i-thought-he-was-a-secular-leader/#comment-69902</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie (Colorado)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rantingprofs.com/rantingprofs/2005/11/and_in_other_ne.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Cori Dauber&lt;/a&gt; makes a nice point on this:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Also buried was this:

General Qader, the Kirkuk police commander, said the raids that uncovered the plot to kill Mr. Juhi had also found three car bombs ready to be driven to targets, as well as other documents linking the men seized in the raids to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the leader of Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia, and to Ayman al-Zawahiri, the deputy to Osama bin Laden. He said the document ordering Mr. Juhi&#039;s assassination was signed with a pseudonym, &quot;Sheik of the Mujahedeen,&quot; and that the captured men, one of them a former secret police officer under Mr. Hussein, had said that that was the title used by Mr. Ibrahim.

As the Times notes, the reports of al-Douri&#039;s death were greatly exaggerated. As the Times does not bother to point out, this also clearly suggests that Zarqawi&#039;s group was working with the Baathists. That strikes me as enormously interesting. As the Times also doesn&#039;t bother to point out -- hey, lookit, the Iraqi cops seem to have done pretty damn good here, yes?

&lt;/blockquote&gt;



The Times is burying the lede like Blackbeard buried his treasure, but it&#039;s clear that the Iraqis are stepping up.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.rantingprofs.com/rantingprofs/2005/11/and_in_other_ne.html" rel="nofollow">Cori Dauber</a> makes a nice point on this:</p>
<blockquote><p>Also buried was this:</p>
<p>General Qader, the Kirkuk police commander, said the raids that uncovered the plot to kill Mr. Juhi had also found three car bombs ready to be driven to targets, as well as other documents linking the men seized in the raids to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the leader of Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia, and to Ayman al-Zawahiri, the deputy to Osama bin Laden. He said the document ordering Mr. Juhi&#8217;s assassination was signed with a pseudonym, &#8220;Sheik of the Mujahedeen,&#8221; and that the captured men, one of them a former secret police officer under Mr. Hussein, had said that that was the title used by Mr. Ibrahim.</p>
<p>As the Times notes, the reports of al-Douri&#8217;s death were greatly exaggerated. As the Times does not bother to point out, this also clearly suggests that Zarqawi&#8217;s group was working with the Baathists. That strikes me as enormously interesting. As the Times also doesn&#8217;t bother to point out &#8212; hey, lookit, the Iraqi cops seem to have done pretty damn good here, yes?</p>
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<p>The Times is burying the lede like Blackbeard buried his treasure, but it&#8217;s clear that the Iraqis are stepping up.</p>
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