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		<title>By: Baggi</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2005/11/23/was-iraq-the-model-correct/#comment-69713</link>
		<dc:creator>Baggi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2005 06:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d say the liberation of Iraq went pretty well. Actually, i&#039;d say there isn&#039;t a better example in the history of the world. We defeated the army of the enemy with very few casualties and the best they could do was jump down into spider holes and hide.



We won the war so quickly and so decisively that some people don&#039;t even call it a war.



Of course, a lot of cowards went into hiding after the war was over in order to wage a shadow war. We couldn&#039;t exactly leave Iraq after the war was won or the cowards would have come out of their spider holes to once again dominate their fellow countrymen. So, we did the most honorable thing we could do, we stuck around (Even though it cost us the lives of our sons and daughters) so that they could prepare themselves for what would come.



That day is almost upon us. Soon, Iraq will be ready to defend itself against the cowards who fled into the shadows after being defeated by the United States military. When that day comes, we will have a muslim democracy in the middle east and our troops can come home. If the above story is correct, that day will be soon.



It will be a good day. Let&#039;s hope that we can all celebrate together. Shoot, let&#039;s even let the Cindy Sheehan&#039;s of the world lead the ticker tape parades and take credit. What should we care who takes credit? Let&#039;s just have a parade and be thankful for George W. Bush and what he has done for this country and for the world.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d say the liberation of Iraq went pretty well. Actually, i&#8217;d say there isn&#8217;t a better example in the history of the world. We defeated the army of the enemy with very few casualties and the best they could do was jump down into spider holes and hide.</p>
<p>We won the war so quickly and so decisively that some people don&#8217;t even call it a war.</p>
<p>Of course, a lot of cowards went into hiding after the war was over in order to wage a shadow war. We couldn&#8217;t exactly leave Iraq after the war was won or the cowards would have come out of their spider holes to once again dominate their fellow countrymen. So, we did the most honorable thing we could do, we stuck around (Even though it cost us the lives of our sons and daughters) so that they could prepare themselves for what would come.</p>
<p>That day is almost upon us. Soon, Iraq will be ready to defend itself against the cowards who fled into the shadows after being defeated by the United States military. When that day comes, we will have a muslim democracy in the middle east and our troops can come home. If the above story is correct, that day will be soon.</p>
<p>It will be a good day. Let&#8217;s hope that we can all celebrate together. Shoot, let&#8217;s even let the Cindy Sheehan&#8217;s of the world lead the ticker tape parades and take credit. What should we care who takes credit? Let&#8217;s just have a parade and be thankful for George W. Bush and what he has done for this country and for the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Mork</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2005 21:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, Joe Lieberman is one of the &quot;Iraq&#039;s WMD are a threat to the US&quot;/&quot;we&#039;ll be greeted as liberators&quot; crowd.



He&#039;s not exactly Mr. Credibility when it comes to sizing up the situation on the ground and anticipating how things will develop.



So, why would I find him persuasive now?



Call me crazy, but I tend to place more weight on the views of those who were &lt;i&gt;right&lt;/i&gt; about how the invasion would go.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, Joe Lieberman is one of the &#8220;Iraq&#8217;s WMD are a threat to the US&#8221;/&#8221;we&#8217;ll be greeted as liberators&#8221; crowd.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s not exactly Mr. Credibility when it comes to sizing up the situation on the ground and anticipating how things will develop.</p>
<p>So, why would I find him persuasive now?</p>
<p>Call me crazy, but I tend to place more weight on the views of those who were <i>right</i> about how the invasion would go.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike_Nargizian</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2005/11/23/was-iraq-the-model-correct/#comment-69711</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike_Nargizian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2005 09:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Mike - it&#039;s a disaster either way. The only question is whether it costs more American lives and money.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



ANSWER -

http://pajamasmedia.com/newsml/html/2005/11/23/6482203_Lieberman_US_to_.shtml

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BAGHDAD, Iraq, Nov. 23, 2005 (AP Online delivered by Newstex) ? U.S. Sen. Joseph Lieberman told Iraq?s prime minister Wednesday that U.S. forces will remain in Iraq until their mission is complete, despite growing unease in Congress about the progress of the conflict here.

The Connecticut Democrat, a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, &lt;b&gt;said the cost of success in Iraq would be high ?but the cost for America of failure in Iraq would be &lt;i&gt;catastrophic ? for America, for the Iraqi people and I believe for the world.?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Can&#039;t say it much better than that.




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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Mike &#8211; it&#8217;s a disaster either way. The only question is whether it costs more American lives and money.</p></blockquote>
<p>ANSWER -</p>
<p><a href="http://pajamasmedia.com/newsml/html/2005/11/23/6482203_Lieberman_US_to_.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://pajamasmedia.com/newsml/html/2005/11/23/6482203_Lieberman_US_to_.shtml</a></p>
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<p>BAGHDAD, Iraq, Nov. 23, 2005 (AP Online delivered by Newstex) ? U.S. Sen. Joseph Lieberman told Iraq?s prime minister Wednesday that U.S. forces will remain in Iraq until their mission is complete, despite growing unease in Congress about the progress of the conflict here.</p>
<p>The Connecticut Democrat, a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, <b>said the cost of success in Iraq would be high ?but the cost for America of failure in Iraq would be <i>catastrophic ? for America, for the Iraqi people and I believe for the world.?</i></b></p></blockquote>
<p>Can&#8217;t say it much better than that.</p>
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		<title>By: Mork</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2005 03:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike - it&#039;s a disaster either way.  The only question is whether it costs more American lives and money.



&lt;i&gt;Too bad no Reps had the gumption to speak about how the Dems wanted the US out of Vietnam, how the US left (like the Dems wanted), but the Dems don&#039;t take &quot;credit&quot; for the genocide afterwards.&lt;/i&gt;



Um, just speculating, but might that not be because it was a Republican administration that effected the withdrawal?



Of course, they wasted five years and 30,000 American lives before they got there, but when it happened, it was 100% Nixon and Kissenger.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike &#8211; it&#8217;s a disaster either way.  The only question is whether it costs more American lives and money.</p>
<p><i>Too bad no Reps had the gumption to speak about how the Dems wanted the US out of Vietnam, how the US left (like the Dems wanted), but the Dems don&#8217;t take &#8220;credit&#8221; for the genocide afterwards.</i></p>
<p>Um, just speculating, but might that not be because it was a Republican administration that effected the withdrawal?</p>
<p>Of course, they wasted five years and 30,000 American lives before they got there, but when it happened, it was 100% Nixon and Kissenger.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike_Nargizian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike_Nargizian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2005 01:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still don&#039;t like this. McCain is saying the Generals are saying we need more troops to maintain the country. The Iraqi police forces, I don&#039;t know for sure but am willing to bet, have not made miraculous and sudden progress. Their may be a Faustian phony deal under the table with Iran... Either way this is a LOOOSER.

If we withdraw any forces Assad, Iran and Mubarrek will be doing jumping jacks.



Maybe that is the point? DOUBT IT

Mabye we are hoping to relieve pressure for Iraq because we got Iran on the radar? DOUBT IT



This would be plain and simple a defeat caused by PR plain and simple.



The Media, most Democrats, Europeans and Arab Media Satellites will have caused a fast or slow implosion in Iraq and all the forces throughout the Middle East that are now weary of us and some like Omar, Sandmonkey, Big Pharaoh, Tony Badran, Michael Young are rooting for us quietly or vociferously, will be seriously affected.



&lt;b&gt;However we got there we got there.... leaving now is an unqualified DISASTER.

PLAIN AND SIMPLE.&lt;/b&gt;


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still don&#8217;t like this. McCain is saying the Generals are saying we need more troops to maintain the country. The Iraqi police forces, I don&#8217;t know for sure but am willing to bet, have not made miraculous and sudden progress. Their may be a Faustian phony deal under the table with Iran&#8230; Either way this is a LOOOSER.</p>
<p>If we withdraw any forces Assad, Iran and Mubarrek will be doing jumping jacks.</p>
<p>Maybe that is the point? DOUBT IT</p>
<p>Mabye we are hoping to relieve pressure for Iraq because we got Iran on the radar? DOUBT IT</p>
<p>This would be plain and simple a defeat caused by PR plain and simple.</p>
<p>The Media, most Democrats, Europeans and Arab Media Satellites will have caused a fast or slow implosion in Iraq and all the forces throughout the Middle East that are now weary of us and some like Omar, Sandmonkey, Big Pharaoh, Tony Badran, Michael Young are rooting for us quietly or vociferously, will be seriously affected.</p>
<p><b>However we got there we got there&#8230;. leaving now is an unqualified DISASTER.</p>
<p>PLAIN AND SIMPLE.</b></p>
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		<title>By: Tom Grey - Liberty Dad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Grey - Liberty Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2005 00:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s been clear for awhile that Bush would draw down troops after

a) the Iraqi security becomes &quot;strong enough&quot; and

b) there is a new election, according to the democratically ratified Iraqi Constitution -- FIRST in any Muslim country, and

c) the elected Iraqis ask the US to leave; or draw down.



I think the Dems little &quot;immediate withdrawal&quot; gambit succeeded in eliminating any &quot;victory welcome&quot; for troops coming home after a,b,c.

Sigh.



Too bad no Reps had the gumption to speak about how the Dems wanted the US out of Vietnam, how the US left (like the Dems wanted), but the Dems don&#039;t take &quot;credit&quot; for the genocide afterwards.



Dems also don&#039;t take much credit for losing 0 American lives in their (non-)response to genocide in Rwanda -- but the Reps in 1996 also didn&#039;t make it an issue.





The Sunnis are likely to want the Americans to stay -- to save their not-yet-convicted terrorist sympathizers who are likely to start being kept prisoner by Shiites.  Many of whom have lost relatives to Sunni murderers...

When the US turns Abu Ghraib over to Shia, I wonder how Al Jazeera will respond.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s been clear for awhile that Bush would draw down troops after</p>
<p>a) the Iraqi security becomes &#8220;strong enough&#8221; and</p>
<p>b) there is a new election, according to the democratically ratified Iraqi Constitution &#8212; FIRST in any Muslim country, and</p>
<p>c) the elected Iraqis ask the US to leave; or draw down.</p>
<p>I think the Dems little &#8220;immediate withdrawal&#8221; gambit succeeded in eliminating any &#8220;victory welcome&#8221; for troops coming home after a,b,c.</p>
<p>Sigh.</p>
<p>Too bad no Reps had the gumption to speak about how the Dems wanted the US out of Vietnam, how the US left (like the Dems wanted), but the Dems don&#8217;t take &#8220;credit&#8221; for the genocide afterwards.</p>
<p>Dems also don&#8217;t take much credit for losing 0 American lives in their (non-)response to genocide in Rwanda &#8212; but the Reps in 1996 also didn&#8217;t make it an issue.</p>
<p>The Sunnis are likely to want the Americans to stay &#8212; to save their not-yet-convicted terrorist sympathizers who are likely to start being kept prisoner by Shiites.  Many of whom have lost relatives to Sunni murderers&#8230;</p>
<p>When the US turns Abu Ghraib over to Shia, I wonder how Al Jazeera will respond.</p>
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		<title>By: Pixy Misa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pixy Misa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2005 00:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;So, Roger, are you going to accuse the administration of &quot;betrayal&quot; and wanting to hand Iraq over to Al Qaeda when they start withdrawing troops?&lt;/i&gt;



&lt;i&gt;Or does that only apply when Democrats suggest it?&lt;/i&gt;



Learn. To. Read.



Murtha called for the &lt;i&gt;termination&lt;/i&gt; of our deployment in Iraq in his bill, and &quot;&lt;i&gt;immediate redeployment&lt;/i&gt;&quot; in his speech.  (His words.  He said &quot;immediate redeployment&quot; twice.)



Military plans call for a gradual drawdown of of deployment levels as new Iraqi army battalions are judged operationally ready; I think it is one US battalion for every three Iraqi battalions assessed at level two readiness.



The Democrat plan is a cut-and-run, a betrayal of Iraq and of America.



There is no possible way to spin this so that the Democrats look good...  Except that they overwhelmingly rejected their own proposal.  Which makes them look merely hypocritcal rather than insane.  I suppose you can count that as a plus.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>So, Roger, are you going to accuse the administration of &#8220;betrayal&#8221; and wanting to hand Iraq over to Al Qaeda when they start withdrawing troops?</i></p>
<p><i>Or does that only apply when Democrats suggest it?</i></p>
<p>Learn. To. Read.</p>
<p>Murtha called for the <i>termination</i> of our deployment in Iraq in his bill, and &#8220;<i>immediate redeployment</i>&#8221; in his speech.  (His words.  He said &#8220;immediate redeployment&#8221; twice.)</p>
<p>Military plans call for a gradual drawdown of of deployment levels as new Iraqi army battalions are judged operationally ready; I think it is one US battalion for every three Iraqi battalions assessed at level two readiness.</p>
<p>The Democrat plan is a cut-and-run, a betrayal of Iraq and of America.</p>
<p>There is no possible way to spin this so that the Democrats look good&#8230;  Except that they overwhelmingly rejected their own proposal.  Which makes them look merely hypocritcal rather than insane.  I suppose you can count that as a plus.</p>
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		<title>By: frendlydude2k</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2005 23:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>speaking only for myself, i DO hereby accuse the administration of betrayal. they are obviously out to sabotage themselves, an administration duly elected by the american people. it is a shameless partisan attack.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>speaking only for myself, i DO hereby accuse the administration of betrayal. they are obviously out to sabotage themselves, an administration duly elected by the american people. it is a shameless partisan attack.</p>
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		<title>By: dougf</title>
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		<dc:creator>dougf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2005 22:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Or does that only apply when Democrats suggest it?&lt;/i&gt;--Mork



Usually yes.




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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Or does that only apply when Democrats suggest it?</i>&#8211;Mork</p>
<p>Usually yes.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Poinsett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Poinsett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2005 22:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It must really be shi++y to be a democrat. Born to Loose is not the song I&#039;d choose to be hung around my neck for the rest of my life. But Biden, Kerry, Murtha and the entire bunch are really captivated by it. They even sing it a capella. They have an old standby backup &quot;Scheisse Tagen sind wieder hier&quot;!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It must really be shi++y to be a democrat. Born to Loose is not the song I&#8217;d choose to be hung around my neck for the rest of my life. But Biden, Kerry, Murtha and the entire bunch are really captivated by it. They even sing it a capella. They have an old standby backup &#8220;Scheisse Tagen sind wieder hier&#8221;!</p>
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