I think that your heart is certainly in the right place. But, when you say things like:

“I’m afraid the right isn’t going to like this, but one way I see of at least getting the problem in the open is to name muslims a victim class.

If the multiculturalists can come to understand that enclaves of sharia hurt muslims the most (and it goes against most everything the multi-culti types believe) and the rest of us keep harping about the true victims of Islamism it’s a start.”

I’m afraid that you are projecting your own conversion to rationality onto others.

This is what Bush and company have been saying since day 1. What do you think all that crap about the RoP, that he spews constantly, is?

What could possibly have been a more blatant view of the nightmare to come than the Taliban? How did the multi-cultis and feminists and MSM et. al. react? They went into denial and blamed Bush for 9/11.

How about the terror attacks on Israel, Bali, Beslan, Van Gogh? The only way they will get their heads out of their a$$es is if it happens to them directly. When the WMD goes off in Hollywood or SF MAYBE they’ll get it. It hit NYC to the tune of 3000 dead and it didn’t get through. I’m afraid that the number has to go well into the 6 digits. And then they may just surrender.

You also say:

“What frightens me is that this task seems so impossible.”

Yep, me too.

You have to have a sense of humor to appreciate it. The men who it is aimed at would simply be enraged..

Great point. Perhaps humor is the solution. Ridicule can do much.

Yes, exactly. Muslims can’t do it themselves. They either submit or run away. It’s very rare they have the means to fight. I was writing a message about that but it got lost.

I’m afraid the right isn’t going to like this, but one way I see of at least getting the problem in the open is to name muslims a victim class.

If the multiculturalists can come to understand that enclaves of sharia hurt muslims the most (and it goes against most everything the multi-culti types believe) and the rest of us keep harping about the true victims of Islamism it’s a start.

Convince the authorities of the host country to not even consider, or give up on, no-go zones. Maintain the rule of law of the host country at any cost.

Do not, under any circumstances whatsoever, allow any sharia law to enter the books of the host country. None whatsoever! That is submission to da’wa.

And maybe an ad campaign that makes fun of men who are afraid of women.

Britain obviously doesn’t have as far to go as France because there is much more integration. Much much more. But enclaves of sharia cannot be allowed.

What frightens me is that this task seems so impossible. More because of the left and the multi-culturalists than even the Islamists. I still think the Islamists are outnumbered by ordinary folk…they just hold the power in the community groups. I think this can be countered too by not allowing them to have so much power.

No piggy banks? I mean it’s not even funny.

Syl, you said “Look at the Taliban in Afghanistan! The people hated it. ”

Let’s assume you’re correct. Then you have to ask, why was the Taliban in charge?

The Islamists know how to control Muslims. If they take over the riots and the French don’t fight for their (our) culture someone will have to or Sharia (at least in some 21st century garb) will start creeping in town by town, city by city more and more.

Your analysis is good but you miss an essential point. That is, Both the Iraqis and the Afghans needed an outside force to put down the Islamicists. They lacked the ability to do it on their own because when you don’t live in Civil Society the ruthless men with guns control outcome.

Since the Great War, which we celebrate the end tomorrow, sapped the collective will of France to stand up to the ruthless men with guns. The Islamcists know this and will exploit it.

And integration obviously implies under French laws, not Sharia. And getting rid of ‘no go’ zones is a necessary step.

I have not yet reached the point of giving up like so many here have already. Though the enforced separation of the cultures has solidified much on the immigrants side, I do not believe for a minute that all of those immigrants would reject integrating if they really had a chance to.

It’s like you hate French culture so much that you’ve totally given up on the notion that any of the immigrants would willingly mix in if given the chance.

That’s painting with two broad brushes.

I’m not saying there isn’t a problem. The Islamists and their da’wa is very serious. But you can’t tell me that all muslims will willingly submit to all the laws of Sharia!

Look at the Taliban in Afghanistan! The people hated it. It was stable and safe but they sure didn’t like it. As soon as the Americans came, the Taliban crumbled because the people weren’t supporting them. Even Zawahiri recognizes that!

Look what has happened in towns across western Iraq! The foreign jihadists come in and impost sharia on the towns. The people are helpless to fight it. Some of the elders are able to put militias together to fight the Islamists but many can’t even do that.

It took them a while, but the tribal leaders, sunnis, actually started to ask the Americans for help! And as more and more Iraqis got involved in the fighting, more and more towns requested help!

Jeeeez people. You act like all muslims want to submit totally. They do not!

“Much of French and, alas, American social policy is premised on a humanist-Enlightenment ideology that is quite optimistic about human nature. It seems to owe much to Rousseau’s claim that Man is naturally good but artificial barriers of culture, religion and class corrode his primeval goodness. Hence the “noble savage” theory. Therefore, perfect “equality” and “social justice” is what will keep Man straight.”

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“Apparently, a lot of educated people in the West still cling to the Rousseauist fantasy.”

Almost every person I read on this topic, not just here, approaches the problem as though it was one sided. It’s always “France has to do this, France has to do that.”

This is the same dialog you hear about a football game. “The defense just has to shut down the running game”. Um, guys, the OFFENSE has something to say about that, ya know?

This is a clash of civilizations. The rioters do not need Osama or Zarq to lead them at this point; they only need a common world view. This view has been fed to them incessently by the mosques and Imams, Al Jazeerah, French arrogance, French / Arab anti-semitism and anti-Americanism, etc.

The fuse has been lit. Just as the Russian revolution happened without Lenin, this next French revolt can happen without “Osama”. But, just as Lenin arrived in time to take over, the Islamic equivalent will arrive at the “proper” time.

The false analogy to the US Civil Rights movement, Thibaud et. al., is wrong for this very simple reason…

The race problem in the US was due to the blacks being cut out of all the good things in society. In short, they wanted in. You never heard MLK, et. al. calling for a rebirth of the Kingdom of Mali.

The Muslims in France don’t want in, they want OUT of society AND they want the society OUT of Europe.

If you like the vision of a 21st century Sharia ruling over Europe, cheer on the rioters, if not, maybe prayer is in order.