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		<title>By: Kevin P</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2005/11/01/the-decline-of-hollywood-whos-responsible/#comment-67916</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2005 21:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sandy P:



I have no problem with the trashing of McCarthy. He was a drunk and a demagogue. What I can&#039;t stand about the revisionist history of some of the &quot;victims&#039; of McCarthy is that they swallow the party line that these were simple liberal patriots who backed noble causes. Many of the most lionized were Stalinists. And I am not talking about the proven spies. Many were American citizens who embraced Stalinism, who followed strict party discipline, who usd many of the anti-democratic tactics that McCarty did. There was no tolerance for anyone who did not follow the official party line, those who expressed thoughts that  did not toe the official dogma were hounded into recanting or were blacklisted themselves by the party faithful. And the were aware of the show trials, they were aware of the artistic repression in the Soviet utopia, and they embraced it as the required steps that wopuld lead to a Stalinist revolution in America. Many were not spies and were not criminals. But they were people whose political beliefs should be despised by Hollywood, not praised. They were committed Stalinists who fought to the bitter end to keep the myth of Stalins utopia alive in the world. Hollywood can hate McCarthy, I don&#039;t care. But they should explain their love for people who would have outdone McCarthy in political repression if they would have had the chance is valid.
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<p>I have no problem with the trashing of McCarthy. He was a drunk and a demagogue. What I can&#8217;t stand about the revisionist history of some of the &#8220;victims&#8217; of McCarthy is that they swallow the party line that these were simple liberal patriots who backed noble causes. Many of the most lionized were Stalinists. And I am not talking about the proven spies. Many were American citizens who embraced Stalinism, who followed strict party discipline, who usd many of the anti-democratic tactics that McCarty did. There was no tolerance for anyone who did not follow the official party line, those who expressed thoughts that  did not toe the official dogma were hounded into recanting or were blacklisted themselves by the party faithful. And the were aware of the show trials, they were aware of the artistic repression in the Soviet utopia, and they embraced it as the required steps that wopuld lead to a Stalinist revolution in America. Many were not spies and were not criminals. But they were people whose political beliefs should be despised by Hollywood, not praised. They were committed Stalinists who fought to the bitter end to keep the myth of Stalins utopia alive in the world. Hollywood can hate McCarthy, I don&#8217;t care. But they should explain their love for people who would have outdone McCarthy in political repression if they would have had the chance is valid.</p>
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		<title>By: TheProudDuck</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2005/11/01/the-decline-of-hollywood-whos-responsible/#comment-67915</link>
		<dc:creator>TheProudDuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2005 04:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holdfast -- Re: &quot;Enemy at the Gates&quot;, that was a fine movie.  Had probably one of the most conservative lines ever filmed:  the disillusioned young political officer, having lost in love and experiencing passions he was supposed to have had drilled out of him, a New Soviet Man, conceding &quot;Man will always be man.&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holdfast &#8212; Re: &#8220;Enemy at the Gates&#8221;, that was a fine movie.  Had probably one of the most conservative lines ever filmed:  the disillusioned young political officer, having lost in love and experiencing passions he was supposed to have had drilled out of him, a New Soviet Man, conceding &#8220;Man will always be man.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Canucklehead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Canucklehead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2005 17:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do a movie about &lt;a href=&quot;http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:CRmp6wufz9oJ:northernblue.ca/mblog/categories/27-Battles+Vimy+Andrew+MacNaughton&amp;hl=en&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Colonel Andrew MacNaughton&lt;/a&gt; during the World War I battles of Vimy, Passchendaele, and Amiens.  Let Rick Schroder play the lead like he did in the Lost Battalion.



Colonel Andrew MacNaughton&#039;s story is all about &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.defencesurveyorsassociation.org/history/history-main.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;technology&lt;/a&gt; and war.  He dealt with phyicists (including a future Nobel prizewinner) and &lt;a href=&quot;http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:70WC5l-GNPgJ:chem.ch.huji.ac.il/~eugeniik/history/fessenden.html++Reginald+Fessenden&amp;hl=en&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Reginald Fessenden&lt;/a&gt;.



You have so many characters and stories to play off of that you can build analogies to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0277434/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;We Were Soldiers&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0268978/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A Beautiful Mind&lt;/a&gt; along with any of the retro-Tom Clancy techonology theme movies that have been box office magic.



Go make a great movie...  Don&#039;t cry about where are the heros.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do a movie about <a href="http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:CRmp6wufz9oJ:northernblue.ca/mblog/categories/27-Battles+Vimy+Andrew+MacNaughton&amp;hl=en" rel="nofollow">Colonel Andrew MacNaughton</a> during the World War I battles of Vimy, Passchendaele, and Amiens.  Let Rick Schroder play the lead like he did in the Lost Battalion.</p>
<p>Colonel Andrew MacNaughton&#8217;s story is all about <a href="http://www.defencesurveyorsassociation.org/history/history-main.html" rel="nofollow">technology</a> and war.  He dealt with phyicists (including a future Nobel prizewinner) and <a href="http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:70WC5l-GNPgJ:chem.ch.huji.ac.il/~eugeniik/history/fessenden.html++Reginald+Fessenden&amp;hl=en" rel="nofollow">Reginald Fessenden</a>.</p>
<p>You have so many characters and stories to play off of that you can build analogies to <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0277434/" rel="nofollow">We Were Soldiers</a>, <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0268978/" rel="nofollow">A Beautiful Mind</a> along with any of the retro-Tom Clancy techonology theme movies that have been box office magic.</p>
<p>Go make a great movie&#8230;  Don&#8217;t cry about where are the heros.</p>
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		<title>By: exguru</title>
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		<dc:creator>exguru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2005 09:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It doesn&#039;t really matter if the players are reds because the play&#039;s the thing.  I adore Melvyn Douglas...  Jose Ferrer, Lee Cobb, Gregory Peck--they could do the job. I even liked Sterling Hayden. Dalton Trumbo could write.  Paul Robeson could act and sing.  Frank Sinatra once remarked, &quot;All I owe the public is a good performance,&quot; and these people are entitled to say the same.



Don&#039;t expect any sympathy, though, for studios closing and bad business times in Hollywood.  It has always been true that most of what they make was trash to be burned without any lament.  They do  need to preserve a couple of sound stages and a few cameras so that occasionally, at rare intervals, from time to time, the apparatus will be around so someone can produce a really good movie.
















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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It doesn&#8217;t really matter if the players are reds because the play&#8217;s the thing.  I adore Melvyn Douglas&#8230;  Jose Ferrer, Lee Cobb, Gregory Peck&#8211;they could do the job. I even liked Sterling Hayden. Dalton Trumbo could write.  Paul Robeson could act and sing.  Frank Sinatra once remarked, &#8220;All I owe the public is a good performance,&#8221; and these people are entitled to say the same.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t expect any sympathy, though, for studios closing and bad business times in Hollywood.  It has always been true that most of what they make was trash to be burned without any lament.  They do  need to preserve a couple of sound stages and a few cameras so that occasionally, at rare intervals, from time to time, the apparatus will be around so someone can produce a really good movie.</p>
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		<title>By: lindenen</title>
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		<dc:creator>lindenen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2005 05:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>darkcoffee&#039;s comments reminded me of an article I read describing how the movie &quot;Life or Something Like It&quot; became such a horrible pos.  Apparently, the original script was very very good, and then bit by bit too many people rewrote the script to make it more &#039;appealing&#039; or somesuch nonsense.  They ruined it.  Of course, the movie&#039;s star Angelina Jolie did her part to kill the film by demanding to wear a gigantic blonde fright wig that looked like shit on her.



I&#039;ve noticed that about movies as well, geoffb.  The best ones are controlled by a creator who can defend the project and maintain creative control.    I&#039;m not sure I buy the auteur theory but the best are usually those that have one person in control.



I suspect it&#039;s always been this way but maybe now there are too many hands in the cookie jar.  So much is riding on the project, nobody really wants to take credit in case it fails, so no one is responsible.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>darkcoffee&#8217;s comments reminded me of an article I read describing how the movie &#8220;Life or Something Like It&#8221; became such a horrible pos.  Apparently, the original script was very very good, and then bit by bit too many people rewrote the script to make it more &#8216;appealing&#8217; or somesuch nonsense.  They ruined it.  Of course, the movie&#8217;s star Angelina Jolie did her part to kill the film by demanding to wear a gigantic blonde fright wig that looked like shit on her.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve noticed that about movies as well, geoffb.  The best ones are controlled by a creator who can defend the project and maintain creative control.    I&#8217;m not sure I buy the auteur theory but the best are usually those that have one person in control.</p>
<p>I suspect it&#8217;s always been this way but maybe now there are too many hands in the cookie jar.  So much is riding on the project, nobody really wants to take credit in case it fails, so no one is responsible.</p>
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		<title>By: geoffb</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2005 04:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: the changing of writers original scripts.



I knew this went on but didn&#039;t realize it happened that much. I do know that the shows I&#039;ve enjoyed the most and can rewatch have been ones where the original writer is in charge. Babylon 5, Buffy and Firefly I can watch anytime and enjoy them as much as the first time.


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<p>I knew this went on but didn&#8217;t realize it happened that much. I do know that the shows I&#8217;ve enjoyed the most and can rewatch have been ones where the original writer is in charge. Babylon 5, Buffy and Firefly I can watch anytime and enjoy them as much as the first time.</p>
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		<title>By: darkcoffee</title>
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		<dc:creator>darkcoffee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2005 03:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to be deliberately iconoclastic, but I think the reason for the decline is MORE rather than LESS artistic tendencies on the part of movie executives.  These days, a screenwriter will get dozens of notes from anybody and everybody who has the slightest say on a project -- all of them movie buffs and pop culture mavens who are convinced they could be wonderful writers if they just had the time.  Used to be, the movie execs let the writers be writers, looked at them as something like colorful insects (and certainly never envied them) and either nixed or accepted what they produced. Nowadays, every script or story idea is endlessly massaged into pabulum by gangs of &quot;co-creators&quot; who think they are being clever, making something more &quot;accessible,&quot; have a ear to the popular culture, or whatever, when they are really just failed writers making mischief. We need more heartless, oblivious studio executives who don&#039;t give a damn about anything but the bottom line!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to be deliberately iconoclastic, but I think the reason for the decline is MORE rather than LESS artistic tendencies on the part of movie executives.  These days, a screenwriter will get dozens of notes from anybody and everybody who has the slightest say on a project &#8212; all of them movie buffs and pop culture mavens who are convinced they could be wonderful writers if they just had the time.  Used to be, the movie execs let the writers be writers, looked at them as something like colorful insects (and certainly never envied them) and either nixed or accepted what they produced. Nowadays, every script or story idea is endlessly massaged into pabulum by gangs of &#8220;co-creators&#8221; who think they are being clever, making something more &#8220;accessible,&#8221; have a ear to the popular culture, or whatever, when they are really just failed writers making mischief. We need more heartless, oblivious studio executives who don&#8217;t give a damn about anything but the bottom line!</p>
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		<title>By: DWPittelli</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2005 02:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clearly it&#039;s all these things.



Bad Stories and PC Leftism are related. Any system allowing an outside pressure group to change a famous novel&#039;s terrorist villains from Muslims to Nazis is, more broadly, a top-down enterprise where the money people are certainly telling the writers a lot more than such occasionally obvious examples. There may be Art in Commerce, but not when Commerce micro-manages, or chooses to do the same thing over and over.



Price and entertainment competition are certainly related. Movie prices may be down in general CPI terms, but the competition has gotten cheaper yet, while also getting more flexible and capable. Until the 1980s, it was only from TV (including eventually 1 HBO channel) which was generally free but allowed almost no choices. Then VHS rentals, and now On-Demand and multiple movie channels are cheaper and more convenient. A videogame generally costs a bit more than a movie ticket, but is good for at least dozens of hours of play before boredom sets in. Dating teenagers can stay in and watch a movie alone, and in many cases one of their sets of parents will allow far more to go on than would be safe in a theater.



The &quot;Free&quot; media&#039;s constant search for content also means free publicity decides a movie&#039;s success on opening night. The hook of the right title is key, hence most movies now are either remakes, TV shows, sequels, or best-selling novels (at least in name; is it the same novel when you change major plt elements?). The Star System may not be any more pronounced now than in the 1950s, but then stars kept their name in the public&#039;s mind by making movies or attending press events. They did not see notorious behaviour as to their benefit (indeed, it was not), whereas now most transgressions will be praised by much of the press, and any can be excused by a stint in rehab or tales of childhood trauma (&quot;How brave, how strong you are, to have survived!&quot;). And finally, the mergers between movie firms, TV and magazines means much of the media&#039;s hype is completely bogus, preordained based on how much money the corporation has invested, and not an independent judgement by anyone at the magazine or morning show as to the merits of the movie.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly it&#8217;s all these things.</p>
<p>Bad Stories and PC Leftism are related. Any system allowing an outside pressure group to change a famous novel&#8217;s terrorist villains from Muslims to Nazis is, more broadly, a top-down enterprise where the money people are certainly telling the writers a lot more than such occasionally obvious examples. There may be Art in Commerce, but not when Commerce micro-manages, or chooses to do the same thing over and over.</p>
<p>Price and entertainment competition are certainly related. Movie prices may be down in general CPI terms, but the competition has gotten cheaper yet, while also getting more flexible and capable. Until the 1980s, it was only from TV (including eventually 1 HBO channel) which was generally free but allowed almost no choices. Then VHS rentals, and now On-Demand and multiple movie channels are cheaper and more convenient. A videogame generally costs a bit more than a movie ticket, but is good for at least dozens of hours of play before boredom sets in. Dating teenagers can stay in and watch a movie alone, and in many cases one of their sets of parents will allow far more to go on than would be safe in a theater.</p>
<p>The &#8220;Free&#8221; media&#8217;s constant search for content also means free publicity decides a movie&#8217;s success on opening night. The hook of the right title is key, hence most movies now are either remakes, TV shows, sequels, or best-selling novels (at least in name; is it the same novel when you change major plt elements?). The Star System may not be any more pronounced now than in the 1950s, but then stars kept their name in the public&#8217;s mind by making movies or attending press events. They did not see notorious behaviour as to their benefit (indeed, it was not), whereas now most transgressions will be praised by much of the press, and any can be excused by a stint in rehab or tales of childhood trauma (&#8220;How brave, how strong you are, to have survived!&#8221;). And finally, the mergers between movie firms, TV and magazines means much of the media&#8217;s hype is completely bogus, preordained based on how much money the corporation has invested, and not an independent judgement by anyone at the magazine or morning show as to the merits of the movie.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2005 02:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whilst I agree with most every comment made so far, I&#039;ll intrude with one more. Recently I was over at a friends place and we watched a B-movie - Resident Evil: Apocalypse. I won&#039;t sing it&#039;s praises as a movie because it has none, but I have to say my friends&#039; home cinema through quality hi-fi with an ashtray and beer-fridge on the side of the lounge and such, with a movie that was a $3 weekly hire...well, that&#039;s the way to watch stupid special effects movies, IMHO - at home with friends so you can laugh and heckle.



Why pay cinema prices for tickets and popcorn when I can get as good or better, cheaper and more conveniently? Recently, my retired dad bought himself another, bigger screen so I get his two-year old system for free.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whilst I agree with most every comment made so far, I&#8217;ll intrude with one more. Recently I was over at a friends place and we watched a B-movie &#8211; Resident Evil: Apocalypse. I won&#8217;t sing it&#8217;s praises as a movie because it has none, but I have to say my friends&#8217; home cinema through quality hi-fi with an ashtray and beer-fridge on the side of the lounge and such, with a movie that was a $3 weekly hire&#8230;well, that&#8217;s the way to watch stupid special effects movies, IMHO &#8211; at home with friends so you can laugh and heckle.</p>
<p>Why pay cinema prices for tickets and popcorn when I can get as good or better, cheaper and more conveniently? Recently, my retired dad bought himself another, bigger screen so I get his two-year old system for free.</p>
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		<title>By: holdfast</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2005 00:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the hottest sex scenes I&#039;ve seen in a movie in the last ten years was in &quot;Enemy at the Gates&quot; - Jude Law and Rachel Weicz.  It wasn&#039;t hot because of big sillicone breasts (really there wasn&#039;t any nudity - just a thigh), but because of the setting (a bombed out house) and the spectre of death that hung all around.  It was two people in a totally hopeless situation performing the most  life-affirming act possible.



Hell, that movie was so good it almost made me like the commies.  &quot;Enemy and the Gates&quot; and &quot;Blackhawk Down&quot; are by far the best two war movies of the last 20 years.



Can&#039;t Hollywood make one TV show or movie about Iraq where the troops are just a bunch of average Americans, mostly good but with human flaws, fighting not for politics but for honor, duty, and most importantly, for their buddies?  Just one?  As an experiment maybe?



Also - if Munich is as bad as anticipated, can we please take away Speilberg&#039;s Jew Card?  We can just replace him with Steve Spielbergo, his cheap Mexican counterpart.




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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the hottest sex scenes I&#8217;ve seen in a movie in the last ten years was in &#8220;Enemy at the Gates&#8221; &#8211; Jude Law and Rachel Weicz.  It wasn&#8217;t hot because of big sillicone breasts (really there wasn&#8217;t any nudity &#8211; just a thigh), but because of the setting (a bombed out house) and the spectre of death that hung all around.  It was two people in a totally hopeless situation performing the most  life-affirming act possible.</p>
<p>Hell, that movie was so good it almost made me like the commies.  &#8220;Enemy and the Gates&#8221; and &#8220;Blackhawk Down&#8221; are by far the best two war movies of the last 20 years.</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t Hollywood make one TV show or movie about Iraq where the troops are just a bunch of average Americans, mostly good but with human flaws, fighting not for politics but for honor, duty, and most importantly, for their buddies?  Just one?  As an experiment maybe?</p>
<p>Also &#8211; if Munich is as bad as anticipated, can we please take away Speilberg&#8217;s Jew Card?  We can just replace him with Steve Spielbergo, his cheap Mexican counterpart.</p>
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