Comments on: The leak of a leak of a leak http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2005/10/25/the-leak-of-a-leak-of-a-leak/ The blog of the mystery writer, screenwriter and CEO of Pajamas Media Thu, 16 Feb 2012 03:35:32 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Syl http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2005/10/25/the-leak-of-a-leak-of-a-leak/#comment-67154 Syl Wed, 26 Oct 2005 02:57:11 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2005/10/25/the-leak-of-a-leak-of-a-leak/#comment-67154 It is not criminal to lie to the press. Whether it's Cheney, 'sources close to the investigation', or Wilson. Everyone got that? It is not criminal to lie to the press.

Whether it’s Cheney, ‘sources close to the investigation’, or Wilson.

Everyone got that?

]]> By: flenser http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2005/10/25/the-leak-of-a-leak-of-a-leak/#comment-67153 flenser Wed, 26 Oct 2005 01:31:32 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2005/10/25/the-leak-of-a-leak-of-a-leak/#comment-67153 <i>".. more than a month before her identity was made public and her undercover status was disclosed in a syndicated column by Robert D. Novak on July 14, 2003."<i> As usual where the Times is concerned, this is simply false. Novak did not disclose Plames "undercover status", if any such existed. The first person to claim that Plame was an undercover agent was David Corn. Perhaps Roger or some other member of PJ Media can ask Mr. Corn what he knew and who his source was. A member on the Executive board in the new company is a party in this story. Who reports on the reporters? Presumably if any of this goes to trial a lot of people, including Wilson, Plame, and Corn, will be subpoenaed. </i></i> “.. more than a month before her identity was made public and her undercover status was disclosed in a syndicated column by Robert D. Novak on July 14, 2003.”

As usual where the Times is concerned, this is simply false. Novak did not disclose Plames “undercover status”, if any such existed. The first person to claim that Plame was an undercover agent was David Corn.

Perhaps Roger or some other member of PJ Media can ask Mr. Corn what he knew and who his source was. A member on the Executive board in the new company is a party in this story.

Who reports on the reporters?

Presumably if any of this goes to trial a lot of people, including Wilson, Plame, and Corn, will be subpoenaed.

]]> By: Terrye http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2005/10/25/the-leak-of-a-leak-of-a-leak/#comment-67137 Terrye Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:50:15 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2005/10/25/the-leak-of-a-leak-of-a-leak/#comment-67137 Previously undisclosed to whom? Fizgerald said that he was almost done a year ago. So far as I know he has shown no interest in interviewing Cheney. How do we know that Fitz did not know about this all along? Maybe Cheney had someone check out Wilson when he started making claims about Cheney's office, it would not have been hard for Cheney to find out that Plame sent her old man off to Africa. He might even have passed this along to Libby, that has nothing to do with outing her. They can talk to each other about her. It could even be that as the weeks went by and that publicity hound Wislon just kept making a spetacle of himself people began trying to pump Libby for information and after a few weeks passed and a few reporters had made it plain they knew who Plame was he let down his guard. That is my story and I am sticking to it. Truth is we will know when we know. I think the whole thing is absurd. Watching the Democrats and the lefties making a hero out of a conman like Wilson is pathetic. Previously undisclosed to whom?

Fizgerald said that he was almost done a year ago. So far as I know he has shown no interest in interviewing Cheney.

How do we know that Fitz did not know about this all along? Maybe Cheney had someone check out Wilson when he started making claims about Cheney’s office, it would not have been hard for Cheney to find out that Plame sent her old man off to Africa. He might even have passed this along to Libby, that has nothing to do with outing her. They can talk to each other about her.

It could even be that as the weeks went by and that publicity hound Wislon just kept making a spetacle of himself people began trying to pump Libby for information and after a few weeks passed and a few reporters had made it plain they knew who Plame was he let down his guard.

That is my story and I am sticking to it. Truth is we will know when we know.

I think the whole thing is absurd. Watching the Democrats and the lefties making a hero out of a conman like Wilson is pathetic.

]]> By: vegetius http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2005/10/25/the-leak-of-a-leak-of-a-leak/#comment-67152 vegetius Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:30:55 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2005/10/25/the-leak-of-a-leak-of-a-leak/#comment-67152 I, for one, will be sorry when this story closes out. It's quite a sight watching dozens of the supposedly smart set, construct conspiracy theories based on anonymous leaks, hear-say, and wishful thinking. The emotional investment in these delusions is staggering. This has got to be America I, for one, will be sorry when this story closes out. It’s quite a sight watching dozens of the supposedly smart set, construct conspiracy theories based on anonymous leaks, hear-say, and wishful thinking. The emotional investment in these delusions is staggering.

This has got to be America

]]> By: Hermie http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2005/10/25/the-leak-of-a-leak-of-a-leak/#comment-67136 Hermie Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:01:15 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2005/10/25/the-leak-of-a-leak-of-a-leak/#comment-67136 "Lawyers involved in the case, who described the notes to The New York Times, said they showed that Mr. Cheney knew that Ms. Wilson worked at the C.I.A. more than a month before her identity was made public and her undercover status was disclosed in a syndicated column by Robert D. Novak on July 14, 2003." I don't know what kind of lawyers are supposedly talking to the NYT, but they miss an important fact that Ms Wilson was NOT an undercover operative when her name was mentioned. “Lawyers involved in the case, who described the notes to The New York Times, said they showed that Mr. Cheney knew that Ms. Wilson worked at the C.I.A. more than a month before her identity was made public and her undercover status was disclosed in a syndicated column by Robert D. Novak on July 14, 2003.”

I don’t know what kind of lawyers are supposedly talking to the NYT, but they miss an important fact that Ms Wilson was NOT an undercover operative when her name was mentioned.

]]> By: Barry Dauphin http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2005/10/25/the-leak-of-a-leak-of-a-leak/#comment-67135 Barry Dauphin Tue, 25 Oct 2005 19:44:43 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2005/10/25/the-leak-of-a-leak-of-a-leak/#comment-67135 Not long ago the Cheney stuff was prominent on the CNN webpage. It's still in the headlines. Funny though. There's nothing about the passage of the Iraqi constitution. Not long ago the Cheney stuff was prominent on the CNN webpage. It’s still in the headlines. Funny though. There’s nothing about the passage of the Iraqi constitution.

]]> By: Patrick Tyson http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2005/10/25/the-leak-of-a-leak-of-a-leak/#comment-67151 Patrick Tyson Tue, 25 Oct 2005 19:34:22 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2005/10/25/the-leak-of-a-leak-of-a-leak/#comment-67151 My best guess is that the Administration (as uncertain as anyone as to what Fitzgerald will do in the next three days) is doing its best to protect the President by anticipating the worst that could happen and that <i>The Times</i> is, as usual, being played. My best guess is that the Administration (as uncertain as anyone as to what Fitzgerald will do in the next three days) is doing its best to protect the President by anticipating the worst that could happen and that The Times is, as usual, being played.

]]> By: submandave http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2005/10/25/the-leak-of-a-leak-of-a-leak/#comment-67150 submandave Tue, 25 Oct 2005 19:05:59 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2005/10/25/the-leak-of-a-leak-of-a-leak/#comment-67150 Am I the only one, but does anyone else see a connection between this and the infamous "Qu'ran flushing" story? 1. The results of an official investigation are soon to be released. 2. A "news" organization, largely driven by a desire to have the mostest firstest, publishes startling revelations from the report provided by anonymous sources. Coincidentally, both leaks conveniently paint the Administration in a negative light. All that remains to be seen is if this episode continues to follow the same story arc, where the official report is released and all the hyped-up revelations of the anonymous sources are revealed as nearly complete fabrications. Hell, this isn't news. It isn't even meteorology. It's more like the "psychic" who just guesses, hoping to get enough close answers to fool you into believing their tripe. "<i>I see something red, something that has to do with red or the name 'Red' or perhaps anger ...</i>" Am I the only one, but does anyone else see a connection between this and the infamous “Qu’ran flushing” story?

1. The results of an official investigation are soon to be released.

2. A “news” organization, largely driven by a desire to have the mostest firstest, publishes startling revelations from the report provided by anonymous sources. Coincidentally, both leaks conveniently paint the Administration in a negative light.

All that remains to be seen is if this episode continues to follow the same story arc, where the official report is released and all the hyped-up revelations of the anonymous sources are revealed as nearly complete fabrications.

Hell, this isn’t news. It isn’t even meteorology. It’s more like the “psychic” who just guesses, hoping to get enough close answers to fool you into believing their tripe. “I see something red, something that has to do with red or the name ‘Red’ or perhaps anger …“

]]> By: dougf http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2005/10/25/the-leak-of-a-leak-of-a-leak/#comment-67149 dougf Tue, 25 Oct 2005 18:20:00 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2005/10/25/the-leak-of-a-leak-of-a-leak/#comment-67149 <i>We should probably just wait till the drama unfolds. Anything one says about this issue now is mostly just trying to guess unknown facts that are going to become public knowledge in a few days anyway.</i>--Marcus Thank you for a reasoned comment on this 'tempest-in-a-teapot'. No-one <b> knows </b> anything and the 24-7 speculation and conjecture is both unseemly and non-productive. Why this pathetic little episode is considered the be-all-and end-all of life is totally beyond me. For the record i felt the same way about the Clinton ' scandals' when they were the <i> talk of the town </i>. The culture and the system cannot discuss or address, an Energy Strategy, or How To Rebuild NO, or Government OverSpending, or a myriad of substantive problems but it can obsess over this and every other 'gotcha'. Is this the best we got? Again, thanks Marcus for your contribution and for the increasingly uncommon ability to take a giant step back from the issue in order to try to see the whole picture. We should probably just wait till the drama unfolds. Anything one says about this issue now is mostly just trying to guess unknown facts that are going to become public knowledge in a few days anyway.–Marcus

Thank you for a reasoned comment on this ‘tempest-in-a-teapot’.

No-one knows anything and the 24-7 speculation and conjecture is both unseemly and non-productive.

Why this pathetic little episode is considered the be-all-and end-all of life is totally beyond me. For the record i felt the same way about the Clinton ‘ scandals’ when they were the talk of the town . The culture and the system cannot discuss or address, an Energy Strategy, or How To Rebuild NO, or Government OverSpending, or a myriad of substantive problems but it can obsess over this and every other ‘gotcha’. Is this the best we got?

Again, thanks Marcus for your contribution and for the increasingly uncommon ability to take a giant step back from the issue in order to try to see the whole picture.

]]> By: jedrury http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2005/10/25/the-leak-of-a-leak-of-a-leak/#comment-67148 jedrury Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:47:20 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2005/10/25/the-leak-of-a-leak-of-a-leak/#comment-67148 Michael: The Times, in its hatred of Bush, is not only "criminalizing" political disagreements, but the carrying out of the duties and functions of the vice presidency. One expects that the president and vice president in sending the nation's sons and daughters to war, would want to know all the salient facts and all legitimate criticisms of, and about, the effectuation of that obligation and their policies. Suggesting that the vice president was involved is so sexed up for these scoop hungry writers and editors that they care not about accuracy. They are fixated on the scoop and how to damage this presidency. Michael:

The Times, in its hatred of Bush, is not only “criminalizing” political disagreements, but the carrying out of the duties and functions of the vice presidency. One expects that the president and vice president in sending the nation’s sons and daughters to war, would want

to know all the salient facts and all legitimate criticisms of, and about, the effectuation of that obligation and their policies. Suggesting that the vice president was involved is so sexed up for these scoop hungry writers and editors that they care not about accuracy. They are fixated on the scoop and how to damage this presidency.

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