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		<title>By: Buddy Larsen</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2005/07/09/the-shame-of-msnbc/#comment-58131</link>
		<dc:creator>Buddy Larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2005 06:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tomorrow, when the hour is not so (yawwwwn) late, we shall speak of the surplus, the Florida panhandle 2000, The policy position coded into Kervorkian, and add-ons vs carve-outs...and...zzzzzzzzzzz....
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tomorrow, when the hour is not so (yawwwwn) late, we shall speak of the surplus, the Florida panhandle 2000, The policy position coded into Kervorkian, and add-ons vs carve-outs&#8230;and&#8230;zzzzzzzzzzz&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: markus</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2005 04:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buddddy ---



Yes, Social Security will need some minor changes to account for increased life expectancy after retirement.  It would be nice to get started on fixing this problem, but only if the people working on fixing it agree that the patient -- meaning in this case the GUARANTEED benefit social insurance program known as Social Security -- should be saved.  Inviting George Bush and the Republican Congressional Leadership to help tweak the program to keep it going is a little like finding out your eighty something year old mother needs to have surgery and inviting Dr. Kervorkian to join her medical team.



Bush actually has proposed one half-decent, almost Clintonian idea: different COLA rate growth based on income level.  But until he takes the poison pill of private accounts carved out of payroll taxes off the table, there is nothing to talk about.



A real solution is based on the &quot;no free lunch&quot; principle that Republicans used to believe in before they drank the Kool-Aid and started to believe that cutting taxes leads to greater tax revenues and other voodoo jive.  So...you trim a bit here and there, over the coming decades, spreading and minimizing the pain:



1.  Gradually raise retirement age to 68 or 69.

2.  Gradually raise the payroll earnings cap.

3.  Get those immigrants legal and paying into the system.

4.  Means test COLA increases, as Bush proposed.

5.  Invest a portion of the Trust Fund COLLECTIVELY in higher yielding bonds or stocks, as Clinton proposed.

6.  Possibly, have private accounts as an ADD-ON, not a carve-out, as Moynihan proposed.



Another part of the solution, though it is too late now, would have been to run surpluses and pay down the public debt BEFORE the boomer retirement.  Such an intelligent move, of course, was precluded by the Jews for Buchanan of West Palm Springs, who vote in 2000 ensured the election of a man determined to wipe out the surplus and &quot;starve the beast&quot;.




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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buddddy &#8212;</p>
<p>Yes, Social Security will need some minor changes to account for increased life expectancy after retirement.  It would be nice to get started on fixing this problem, but only if the people working on fixing it agree that the patient &#8212; meaning in this case the GUARANTEED benefit social insurance program known as Social Security &#8212; should be saved.  Inviting George Bush and the Republican Congressional Leadership to help tweak the program to keep it going is a little like finding out your eighty something year old mother needs to have surgery and inviting Dr. Kervorkian to join her medical team.</p>
<p>Bush actually has proposed one half-decent, almost Clintonian idea: different COLA rate growth based on income level.  But until he takes the poison pill of private accounts carved out of payroll taxes off the table, there is nothing to talk about.</p>
<p>A real solution is based on the &#8220;no free lunch&#8221; principle that Republicans used to believe in before they drank the Kool-Aid and started to believe that cutting taxes leads to greater tax revenues and other voodoo jive.  So&#8230;you trim a bit here and there, over the coming decades, spreading and minimizing the pain:</p>
<p>1.  Gradually raise retirement age to 68 or 69.</p>
<p>2.  Gradually raise the payroll earnings cap.</p>
<p>3.  Get those immigrants legal and paying into the system.</p>
<p>4.  Means test COLA increases, as Bush proposed.</p>
<p>5.  Invest a portion of the Trust Fund COLLECTIVELY in higher yielding bonds or stocks, as Clinton proposed.</p>
<p>6.  Possibly, have private accounts as an ADD-ON, not a carve-out, as Moynihan proposed.</p>
<p>Another part of the solution, though it is too late now, would have been to run surpluses and pay down the public debt BEFORE the boomer retirement.  Such an intelligent move, of course, was precluded by the Jews for Buchanan of West Palm Springs, who vote in 2000 ensured the election of a man determined to wipe out the surplus and &#8220;starve the beast&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Buddy Larsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buddy Larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2005 01:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They had Charley Rangel do it, because as a vet he had some cover. Then, after sponsoring it so that their 527s could run a &quot;there&#039;s a reinstitute the draft bill in congress right this minute!&quot;, the good congressman voted against it. The cynicism was in having a target demographic they could count on never hearing the true story--a target demographic fresh out of the government K-12 system. Wot a machine.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They had Charley Rangel do it, because as a vet he had some cover. Then, after sponsoring it so that their 527s could run a &#8220;there&#8217;s a reinstitute the draft bill in congress right this minute!&#8221;, the good congressman voted against it. The cynicism was in having a target demographic they could count on never hearing the true story&#8211;a target demographic fresh out of the government K-12 system. Wot a machine.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Snively</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2005/07/09/the-shame-of-msnbc/#comment-58128</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Snively</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2005 00:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Supporters of the party of which two members sponsored legislation proposing a reintroduction of the miltary draft and then proceeded with a pre-election e-mail blitz campaign aimed at draft-age students insisting that the OTHER party would reinstate the draft don&#039;t get to claim shame. Or ethics. Or honesty. Or credibility. Or pretty much anything positive, really.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Supporters of the party of which two members sponsored legislation proposing a reintroduction of the miltary draft and then proceeded with a pre-election e-mail blitz campaign aimed at draft-age students insisting that the OTHER party would reinstate the draft don&#8217;t get to claim shame. Or ethics. Or honesty. Or credibility. Or pretty much anything positive, really.</p>
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		<title>By: flenser</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2005 22:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Markus, have you no shame, sir?&quot;



That&#039;s one of them thar rhetorical questions, I think.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Markus, have you no shame, sir?&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s one of them thar rhetorical questions, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Buddy Larsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buddy Larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2005 21:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A legal Ponzi scheme is still a Ponzi scheme, and like all such, nobody ever gets hurt so long as the base keeps growing. But, ours isn&#039;t, relatively. So, what&#039;s it gonna be, massive tax hikes, benefit cuts, or just a wild ride thru some more morale-wrecking and middle-class-destroying Carter-flation? Or, of course, private accounts held in Treasuries. The reason the public isn&#039;t on fire with this, is it isn&#039;t yet well-understood. One reason it isn&#039;t, is a national, well-orchestrated campaign by your party, to confuse and mislead the public.



Markus, have you no shame, sir?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A legal Ponzi scheme is still a Ponzi scheme, and like all such, nobody ever gets hurt so long as the base keeps growing. But, ours isn&#8217;t, relatively. So, what&#8217;s it gonna be, massive tax hikes, benefit cuts, or just a wild ride thru some more morale-wrecking and middle-class-destroying Carter-flation? Or, of course, private accounts held in Treasuries. The reason the public isn&#8217;t on fire with this, is it isn&#8217;t yet well-understood. One reason it isn&#8217;t, is a national, well-orchestrated campaign by your party, to confuse and mislead the public.</p>
<p>Markus, have you no shame, sir?</p>
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		<title>By: Buddy Larsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buddy Larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2005 20:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Markus, a historical and forseeable future return, on conscripted money, of less than half of what a similarly-controlled rock-solid long-term treasury bond would give to the retiree--as his own property that he could will to his heirs--doesn&#039;t bother you champions of the little man?  Half of a retiree&#039;s cash flow amounts to half a retiree&#039;s cash flow. That&#039;s a big sacrifice to raise the funds to operate a huge, wasteful federal establishment that functions as a Democratic party jobs program, dontcha think, hey?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Markus, a historical and forseeable future return, on conscripted money, of less than half of what a similarly-controlled rock-solid long-term treasury bond would give to the retiree&#8211;as his own property that he could will to his heirs&#8211;doesn&#8217;t bother you champions of the little man?  Half of a retiree&#8217;s cash flow amounts to half a retiree&#8217;s cash flow. That&#8217;s a big sacrifice to raise the funds to operate a huge, wasteful federal establishment that functions as a Democratic party jobs program, dontcha think, hey?</p>
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		<title>By: flenser</title>
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		<dc:creator>flenser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2005 20:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Markus



Surely the ?long-term threat to the SS program? stems from the fact that it is mathematically unsound, depending on a constantly growing population? And on the reality that SS has the perverse effect of actually giving us a shrinking population, as the Europeans have found to their cost.



Your allegations about Abu Nidal are unsupported, as usual.





&lt;i&gt;Iraq, Syria, and Libya have all harbored the group and given it training, logistical support, and funding, often using the ANO as guns or hire. Abu Nidal began working with Iraqi intelligence while representing Fatah in Baghdad, experts say. He formed his organization with Iraq?s help and began by attacking Syria and the PLO. In 1983, Iraqi President Saddam Hussein expelled Abu Nidal and his group in an attempt to win American military support for Iraq?s 1980s war with neighboring Iran. Once the war ended, Iraq resumed its support of Abu Nidal.

After being expelled from Iraq, the organization moved to Syria, where it worked to undermine peace plans involving Jordan, Israel, and the PLO. In turn, Syria expelled the Abu Nidal Organization in 1987, probably under U.S. pressure to distance itself from terrorists, at which point Libya took it in. In 1999, in an attempt to rid itself of international sanctions, Libya kicked out the Abu Nidal Organization.

In 1999, Egypt and Libya closed down ANO offices in their countries.&lt;i&gt;



You seem a little slow, if I may say so. Of course Hitch mentioned ANO as justification for invasion. And it was a valid justification, as everyone but you understood immediately, and as I have repeatedly pointed out to you. Is English not your native tongue?





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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Markus</p>
<p>Surely the ?long-term threat to the SS program? stems from the fact that it is mathematically unsound, depending on a constantly growing population? And on the reality that SS has the perverse effect of actually giving us a shrinking population, as the Europeans have found to their cost.</p>
<p>Your allegations about Abu Nidal are unsupported, as usual.</p>
<p><i>Iraq, Syria, and Libya have all harbored the group and given it training, logistical support, and funding, often using the ANO as guns or hire. Abu Nidal began working with Iraqi intelligence while representing Fatah in Baghdad, experts say. He formed his organization with Iraq?s help and began by attacking Syria and the PLO. In 1983, Iraqi President Saddam Hussein expelled Abu Nidal and his group in an attempt to win American military support for Iraq?s 1980s war with neighboring Iran. Once the war ended, Iraq resumed its support of Abu Nidal.</p>
<p>After being expelled from Iraq, the organization moved to Syria, where it worked to undermine peace plans involving Jordan, Israel, and the PLO. In turn, Syria expelled the Abu Nidal Organization in 1987, probably under U.S. pressure to distance itself from terrorists, at which point Libya took it in. In 1999, in an attempt to rid itself of international sanctions, Libya kicked out the Abu Nidal Organization.</p>
<p>In 1999, Egypt and Libya closed down ANO offices in their countries.</i><i></p>
<p>You seem a little slow, if I may say so. Of course Hitch mentioned ANO as justification for invasion. And it was a valid justification, as everyone but you understood immediately, and as I have repeatedly pointed out to you. Is English not your native tongue?</p>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
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		<dc:creator>JB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2005 20:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Markus: didn&#039;t you answer your own question?



&quot;And if Hitch wasn&#039;t using the fact that Nidal was sheltered by Saadam as FURTHER justification for the invasion..&quot;



Why use the word &quot;further&quot; if you aren&#039;t implicitly admitting that the case for invasion was not solely based on Saddam&#039;s ties to terrorism.






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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Markus: didn&#8217;t you answer your own question?</p>
<p>&#8220;And if Hitch wasn&#8217;t using the fact that Nidal was sheltered by Saadam as FURTHER justification for the invasion..&#8221;</p>
<p>Why use the word &#8220;further&#8221; if you aren&#8217;t implicitly admitting that the case for invasion was not solely based on Saddam&#8217;s ties to terrorism.</p>
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		<title>By: markus</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jul 2005 19:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buddy -- &quot;By all means, keep Sen. Joe from responding to the massive opportunity costs of ignoring actuarial science in favor of scoring a political win for the Dems on SocSec.&quot;



We&#039;re trying, Buddy.  We&#039;re also trying to stop the biggest long-term threat to the SS program:  the fact that the most powerful political party in America hates it and wants to get rid of it. The main weapon we have in this effort is the widespread unpopularity of said plan.



prokopton -- Abu-Nidal also spent time in Egypt in recent years.  Does this mean that the Mubareck is terrorist consort, worthy of overthrow? And if Hitch wasn&#039;t using the fact that Nidal was sheltered by Saadam as further justification for the invasion, just what was the purpose of him bringing it up?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buddy &#8212; &#8220;By all means, keep Sen. Joe from responding to the massive opportunity costs of ignoring actuarial science in favor of scoring a political win for the Dems on SocSec.&#8221;</p>
<p>We&#8217;re trying, Buddy.  We&#8217;re also trying to stop the biggest long-term threat to the SS program:  the fact that the most powerful political party in America hates it and wants to get rid of it. The main weapon we have in this effort is the widespread unpopularity of said plan.</p>
<p>prokopton &#8212; Abu-Nidal also spent time in Egypt in recent years.  Does this mean that the Mubareck is terrorist consort, worthy of overthrow? And if Hitch wasn&#8217;t using the fact that Nidal was sheltered by Saadam as further justification for the invasion, just what was the purpose of him bringing it up?</p>
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