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		<title>By: Knucklehead</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2005/06/08/stuck-in-lodi-again/#comment-52691</link>
		<dc:creator>Knucklehead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2005 22:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kyda,



&lt;i&gt;Umer Hayat &quot;is being portrayed as a terrorist when all he has been charged with is making false statements to federal officials,&quot; Griffin said.&lt;/i&gt;



Well, that was good enough to get Martha locked up, so it oughta be good enough for this guy.  The real question is whether or not K-Marts will ever again be safe to enter or, I suppose, whether or not anyone cares.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kyda,</p>
<p><i>Umer Hayat &#8220;is being portrayed as a terrorist when all he has been charged with is making false statements to federal officials,&#8221; Griffin said.</i></p>
<p>Well, that was good enough to get Martha locked up, so it oughta be good enough for this guy.  The real question is whether or not K-Marts will ever again be safe to enter or, I suppose, whether or not anyone cares.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyda Sylvester</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2005/06/08/stuck-in-lodi-again/#comment-52690</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyda Sylvester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2005 21:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the net widens...  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-lodi9jun09,0,4595524.story?coll=la-home-headlines&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;link&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the net widens&#8230;  <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-lodi9jun09,0,4595524.story?coll=la-home-headlines" rel="nofollow">link</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kevin P</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2005/06/08/stuck-in-lodi-again/#comment-52689</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2005 18:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kyda:



You hit the nail on the head.The problem isn&#039;t with the Muslim religion as a whole.It is with the segment,15% to 45%, that has not made it into the 21st century.The problem is that there is a large segment that has no problem with the way Christianity and the Muslim faith acted pre-Reformation. They have no problem with forced conversion and old fashion theocracy.



I am not talking about the pseudo theocracy that those on the left think President Bush has created. I am not talking about people of faith who participate in the democratic process and know that they will lose as often as they win and when they can&#039;t convince the majority of the public to the wisdom of their political idea&#039;s they peacefully accept that democracy is a blending of numerous definitions of faith and agnostic and atheist who are all allowed to participate in the process and they don&#039;t resort to violence.You win some, you lose some, or you come to some sort of compromise.



This is far different to fight until you win and if you have to blow up innocent people to seize the reigns of power so be it. The Crusades have become the excuse to rationalize the actions of some Muslims by the left. Even for those who despise religion and the role it plays in American politics there is no rational argument to say that the Christian politcal goals are to get rid of our Democratic Republic and relace it with a religous dictatorship similar to the times when Popes and Kings ran the european world. There is a segment of the Muslim Community, a segment that has real power and is not just a bunch of lunatics hidding in the hills, that wants to bring back a stlye of government that is extremely close to to what we had centuries ago. Governments where the heads of religions are also the heads of the government also. Governments where you have to follow the correct religous format the the heads of the governmnets decide is right for you. Or die.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kyda:</p>
<p>You hit the nail on the head.The problem isn&#8217;t with the Muslim religion as a whole.It is with the segment,15% to 45%, that has not made it into the 21st century.The problem is that there is a large segment that has no problem with the way Christianity and the Muslim faith acted pre-Reformation. They have no problem with forced conversion and old fashion theocracy.</p>
<p>I am not talking about the pseudo theocracy that those on the left think President Bush has created. I am not talking about people of faith who participate in the democratic process and know that they will lose as often as they win and when they can&#8217;t convince the majority of the public to the wisdom of their political idea&#8217;s they peacefully accept that democracy is a blending of numerous definitions of faith and agnostic and atheist who are all allowed to participate in the process and they don&#8217;t resort to violence.You win some, you lose some, or you come to some sort of compromise.</p>
<p>This is far different to fight until you win and if you have to blow up innocent people to seize the reigns of power so be it. The Crusades have become the excuse to rationalize the actions of some Muslims by the left. Even for those who despise religion and the role it plays in American politics there is no rational argument to say that the Christian politcal goals are to get rid of our Democratic Republic and relace it with a religous dictatorship similar to the times when Popes and Kings ran the european world. There is a segment of the Muslim Community, a segment that has real power and is not just a bunch of lunatics hidding in the hills, that wants to bring back a stlye of government that is extremely close to to what we had centuries ago. Governments where the heads of religions are also the heads of the government also. Governments where you have to follow the correct religous format the the heads of the governmnets decide is right for you. Or die.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyda Sylvester</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2005/06/08/stuck-in-lodi-again/#comment-52688</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyda Sylvester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2005 17:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;That&#039;s a fair question to ask is it not?&lt;/i&gt;



More than fair.



Are the Fadhil brothers the exception or the rule? I suspect, in Iraq at least, the latter, but time will certainly tell.



Is the situation in Iraq, where Muslims are blowing up their fellow Muslims right and left, different than here in the US where they are not? Markedly. The fears I hear expressed most often by Muslims here at home focus on the perceived abrogation of their civil rights by our government and the Islamophobia of non-Muslim Americans.



How often have we heard the phrase &quot;I am Muslim first&quot;? (I suppose if we boil it down to the absolute basics, I am Christian first, but my Christian religion instructs me on the differences between rendering to God and rendering to Caesar.) How much peer pressure is applied at the local level to remember that fact?



Martin Luther chose to interpret the Scriptures in a manner different than the Roman Church and the world changed. Is there a Martin Luther in Islam&#039;s future (recall the recent pitifully attended DC rally of &quot;moderate&quot; Muslims)? To what extent is &quot;interpretation&quot; of the Koran even possible? Once again, time will tell, but in the meantime here at home, we better watch our backs.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>That&#8217;s a fair question to ask is it not?</i></p>
<p>More than fair.</p>
<p>Are the Fadhil brothers the exception or the rule? I suspect, in Iraq at least, the latter, but time will certainly tell.</p>
<p>Is the situation in Iraq, where Muslims are blowing up their fellow Muslims right and left, different than here in the US where they are not? Markedly. The fears I hear expressed most often by Muslims here at home focus on the perceived abrogation of their civil rights by our government and the Islamophobia of non-Muslim Americans.</p>
<p>How often have we heard the phrase &#8220;I am Muslim first&#8221;? (I suppose if we boil it down to the absolute basics, I am Christian first, but my Christian religion instructs me on the differences between rendering to God and rendering to Caesar.) How much peer pressure is applied at the local level to remember that fact?</p>
<p>Martin Luther chose to interpret the Scriptures in a manner different than the Roman Church and the world changed. Is there a Martin Luther in Islam&#8217;s future (recall the recent pitifully attended DC rally of &#8220;moderate&#8221; Muslims)? To what extent is &#8220;interpretation&#8221; of the Koran even possible? Once again, time will tell, but in the meantime here at home, we better watch our backs.</p>
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		<title>By: OJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>OJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2005 17:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As disturbing as these recent arrests may be, there are some potential operational shifts of Al Qaeda tactics that can present even greater problems for us.



http://www.rightviews.com/article.php?id=312



We should act quickly to head off such a potential disaster.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As disturbing as these recent arrests may be, there are some potential operational shifts of Al Qaeda tactics that can present even greater problems for us.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rightviews.com/article.php?id=312" rel="nofollow">http://www.rightviews.com/article.php?id=312</a></p>
<p>We should act quickly to head off such a potential disaster.</p>
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		<title>By: Knucklehead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Knucklehead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2005 17:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Syl,



I have days when the &lt;i&gt;Tedium of the Idiots&lt;/i&gt; seems hopelessly crushing.  I&#039;ll get past it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Syl,</p>
<p>I have days when the <i>Tedium of the Idiots</i> seems hopelessly crushing.  I&#8217;ll get past it.</p>
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		<title>By: c</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2005 16:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;We get it right eventually, and most importantly, when we _must_ get it right we usually do.&lt;/i&gt;



&lt;i&gt;I think most people are taking some comfort in complaining about &#039;normal&#039; things these days.&lt;/i&gt;



Yes, Syl, but these aren&#039;t or at least shouldn&#039;t be politics-as-usual times, since we&#039;re at war after being viciously attacked on our soil.  We&#039;re currently spilling American blood overseas to win this war, and Americans, both non-Muslim and Muslim who would impugn our history, our motives, our tactics, our national character and values are prolonging the multi-fronted fight by giving hope and propaganda to our enemy and by consuming needed energy and goodwill.  In short, detractors and critics are contributing to more bloodshed, both of our troops and other innocents.  I&#039;m optimistic that we&#039;ll prevail, as you are, but not so sanguine about citizens indulging in anti-war and anti-American &quot;dissent&quot; and second-guessing while we&#039;re on a war-footing.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>We get it right eventually, and most importantly, when we _must_ get it right we usually do.</i></p>
<p><i>I think most people are taking some comfort in complaining about &#8216;normal&#8217; things these days.</i></p>
<p>Yes, Syl, but these aren&#8217;t or at least shouldn&#8217;t be politics-as-usual times, since we&#8217;re at war after being viciously attacked on our soil.  We&#8217;re currently spilling American blood overseas to win this war, and Americans, both non-Muslim and Muslim who would impugn our history, our motives, our tactics, our national character and values are prolonging the multi-fronted fight by giving hope and propaganda to our enemy and by consuming needed energy and goodwill.  In short, detractors and critics are contributing to more bloodshed, both of our troops and other innocents.  I&#8217;m optimistic that we&#8217;ll prevail, as you are, but not so sanguine about citizens indulging in anti-war and anti-American &#8220;dissent&#8221; and second-guessing while we&#8217;re on a war-footing.</p>
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		<title>By: Syl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Syl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2005 16:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man, Knucklehead, did you and Terrye get married or something!? What a rant! Bravo! LOL



It&#039;s not THAT bad. If we had total agreement in this country about how to do things and what it is we really have to do THEN I&#039;d worry.



Three steps in one direction, two steps in the other. We get it right eventually, and most importantly, when we _must_ get it right we usually do.



I think most people are taking some comfort in complaining about &#039;normal&#039; things these days. We haven&#039;t gone back to sleep totally, one eye is always open. We can snap to at a moment&#039;s notice if we have to.



In other words, I obviously feel more optimistic than you. For whatever that&#039;s worth.








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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, Knucklehead, did you and Terrye get married or something!? What a rant! Bravo! LOL</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not THAT bad. If we had total agreement in this country about how to do things and what it is we really have to do THEN I&#8217;d worry.</p>
<p>Three steps in one direction, two steps in the other. We get it right eventually, and most importantly, when we _must_ get it right we usually do.</p>
<p>I think most people are taking some comfort in complaining about &#8216;normal&#8217; things these days. We haven&#8217;t gone back to sleep totally, one eye is always open. We can snap to at a moment&#8217;s notice if we have to.</p>
<p>In other words, I obviously feel more optimistic than you. For whatever that&#8217;s worth.</p>
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		<title>By: Knucklehead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Knucklehead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2005 13:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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Just to correct my previous assertion re: what My Fellow Citizens want as a POTUS, it is:



&lt;i&gt;A Loving Daddy Who Is Also a Benevolent Dictator of the Whole Wide World and Always Asks Their Opinion And Is Really Good At Making Them Believe Their Vote Counts and, Please God, Make Sure She Doesn&#039;t Believe In Superstitious Twaddle Like Supreme Beings and Such&lt;/i&gt;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to correct my previous assertion re: what My Fellow Citizens want as a POTUS, it is:</p>
<p><i>A Loving Daddy Who Is Also a Benevolent Dictator of the Whole Wide World and Always Asks Their Opinion And Is Really Good At Making Them Believe Their Vote Counts and, Please God, Make Sure She Doesn&#8217;t Believe In Superstitious Twaddle Like Supreme Beings and Such</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: Knucklehead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Knucklehead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2005 13:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Witchita, Syl, and others:



Oh boy.  When I go down these lines of thought you guys have been highlighting I become about as close to deeply depressed as I am capable of.



My Fellow Citizens claim they don&#039;t want to live in a dictatorship or a fascist nation but then piss and moan that the POTUS didn&#039;t do something to stop the closing of the nearby auto assembly plant and then go off on a ranting tangent about how freedom of speech is being taken away by the fascist POTUS while pointing to a pile of best-selling books making that very claim and referencing magazines and radio programs in support of their claims.



They want a &quot;Manhattan Project&quot; to solve the nation&#039;s &quot;addiction to foreign oil&quot; but don&#039;t want to use what we learned from the first Manhattan Project, can&#039;t abide government secrecy or &quot;black programs&quot;, don&#039;t want the government controlling a large portion of the nation&#039;s brightest minds, don&#039;t have a clue how much of the nation&#039;s budget and energy production the Manhattan Project consumed, don&#039;t want &quot;Big Corporate Greed&quot; involved, and don&#039;t want budget diverted from &quot;social programs&quot;.  I guess what they want is for an organic soybean grower from a blue state enclave to magically figure out how to do cold fusion using nothing but dust mites or something.



They want &quot;national security&quot; without surveilance, investigation, or detention of anybody.  They want some sort of &lt;i&gt;Magical Malintent Detector&lt;/i&gt; that doesn&#039;t observe or investigate anything, just sorta turns on at the right time.



They want the &quot;immigration problem&quot; solved without goring anyone&#039;s oxe.  Close the borders but make sure no women and children go thirsty or suffer heat stroke out there in the desert trying to work their way through the closed border.  Get rid of illegal immigrants but don&#039;t have any amnesties or roundups and be nice to the children - it isn&#039;t their fault - and, BTW, leave &quot;my Mexicans&quot; alone &#039;cause it&#039;s perfectly obvious they&#039;re just hard working people trying to get a break and, besides, they do jobs we just can&#039;t find anyone else to do in this brutal economy with the most lost jobs since Hoover and the Great Depression.



What they want is a loving Daddy who is also a &lt;i&gt;Benevolent Dictator of the Whole Wide World and Always Asks Their Opinion And Is Really Good At Making Them Believe Their Vote Counts&lt;/i&gt;.



They want the things they are most fond of pissing and moaning about to be &quot;solved&quot; without any tradeoffs or inconveniences and no mistakes can be made along the way and nothing in their own lives should be be touched in any way.



What a bunch of spoiled, and stupid, brats we&#039;ve become.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Witchita, Syl, and others:</p>
<p>Oh boy.  When I go down these lines of thought you guys have been highlighting I become about as close to deeply depressed as I am capable of.</p>
<p>My Fellow Citizens claim they don&#8217;t want to live in a dictatorship or a fascist nation but then piss and moan that the POTUS didn&#8217;t do something to stop the closing of the nearby auto assembly plant and then go off on a ranting tangent about how freedom of speech is being taken away by the fascist POTUS while pointing to a pile of best-selling books making that very claim and referencing magazines and radio programs in support of their claims.</p>
<p>They want a &#8220;Manhattan Project&#8221; to solve the nation&#8217;s &#8220;addiction to foreign oil&#8221; but don&#8217;t want to use what we learned from the first Manhattan Project, can&#8217;t abide government secrecy or &#8220;black programs&#8221;, don&#8217;t want the government controlling a large portion of the nation&#8217;s brightest minds, don&#8217;t have a clue how much of the nation&#8217;s budget and energy production the Manhattan Project consumed, don&#8217;t want &#8220;Big Corporate Greed&#8221; involved, and don&#8217;t want budget diverted from &#8220;social programs&#8221;.  I guess what they want is for an organic soybean grower from a blue state enclave to magically figure out how to do cold fusion using nothing but dust mites or something.</p>
<p>They want &#8220;national security&#8221; without surveilance, investigation, or detention of anybody.  They want some sort of <i>Magical Malintent Detector</i> that doesn&#8217;t observe or investigate anything, just sorta turns on at the right time.</p>
<p>They want the &#8220;immigration problem&#8221; solved without goring anyone&#8217;s oxe.  Close the borders but make sure no women and children go thirsty or suffer heat stroke out there in the desert trying to work their way through the closed border.  Get rid of illegal immigrants but don&#8217;t have any amnesties or roundups and be nice to the children &#8211; it isn&#8217;t their fault &#8211; and, BTW, leave &#8220;my Mexicans&#8221; alone &#8217;cause it&#8217;s perfectly obvious they&#8217;re just hard working people trying to get a break and, besides, they do jobs we just can&#8217;t find anyone else to do in this brutal economy with the most lost jobs since Hoover and the Great Depression.</p>
<p>What they want is a loving Daddy who is also a <i>Benevolent Dictator of the Whole Wide World and Always Asks Their Opinion And Is Really Good At Making Them Believe Their Vote Counts</i>.</p>
<p>They want the things they are most fond of pissing and moaning about to be &#8220;solved&#8221; without any tradeoffs or inconveniences and no mistakes can be made along the way and nothing in their own lives should be be touched in any way.</p>
<p>What a bunch of spoiled, and stupid, brats we&#8217;ve become.</p>
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