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		<title>By: truepeers</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2005/04/19/the-politics-of-patronage/#comment-45610</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2005 00:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it were good old machine politics, I wouldn&#039;t be so pissed off. Cause lots of little people would at least be getting jobs. But the present Liberal machine is largely for the well connected: media, lawyers and corporation folk, and academics who are too ambitious (but not intellectually) to go along with the wacky far left but who would never consider conservatism. In my misspent days, I had some glimpses of how the Liberal machine works at the local level, and it doesn&#039;t get too local (it is elitist in its core sensibilities), even in those immigrant (usually religiously-bound) communities where the vote brokers get jobs and perks but the people pulled out to vote get trinkets at best. You actually have to do a fair bit of networking to get much out of the system. What an awfully amazing feat for this Corriveau chap to get millions! It&#039;s not like the good old days when jobs at the post or customs office were made readily available to the faithful (though this kind of thing was always more prevalent in provincial than federal politics).



This is why the Liberal party may well be on its last legs. We are getting more used to the information age and are increasingly less tolerant for being told by the false sophisticates of the mediasphere how to be small-l liberal and progresive. A lot of Canadians are still fearful of being seen to have any sympathies for &quot;social conservatism&quot;, but every day I think we are seeing more completely how corrupting a centralizing national party and intellectual life is, and, I hope, renewing respect for decentralization and freedom from the mindset of the MSM and the  academic &quot;progressive&quot; snobs.



The Liberals have been weak since the 80s, but the Conservatives have been in disarray given the paleo vs. neo con split. But all it requires now is for a few more votes to shift in Ontario, a few more &quot;federalists&quot; to lose their fear of Quebecois nationalism, the now more immigrant than racist reality of conservatism to become apparent, and Canadians will free themselves from the evil red tide that has constrained our better side (the faith that we can govern ourselves) for much of the 20thC. It is ignorance of this side, when it comes to stereotyping ìCanadaî, that I hope our American friends will increasingly be able to rectify. We need a few more David Frums.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it were good old machine politics, I wouldn&#8217;t be so pissed off. Cause lots of little people would at least be getting jobs. But the present Liberal machine is largely for the well connected: media, lawyers and corporation folk, and academics who are too ambitious (but not intellectually) to go along with the wacky far left but who would never consider conservatism. In my misspent days, I had some glimpses of how the Liberal machine works at the local level, and it doesn&#8217;t get too local (it is elitist in its core sensibilities), even in those immigrant (usually religiously-bound) communities where the vote brokers get jobs and perks but the people pulled out to vote get trinkets at best. You actually have to do a fair bit of networking to get much out of the system. What an awfully amazing feat for this Corriveau chap to get millions! It&#8217;s not like the good old days when jobs at the post or customs office were made readily available to the faithful (though this kind of thing was always more prevalent in provincial than federal politics).</p>
<p>This is why the Liberal party may well be on its last legs. We are getting more used to the information age and are increasingly less tolerant for being told by the false sophisticates of the mediasphere how to be small-l liberal and progresive. A lot of Canadians are still fearful of being seen to have any sympathies for &#8220;social conservatism&#8221;, but every day I think we are seeing more completely how corrupting a centralizing national party and intellectual life is, and, I hope, renewing respect for decentralization and freedom from the mindset of the MSM and the  academic &#8220;progressive&#8221; snobs.</p>
<p>The Liberals have been weak since the 80s, but the Conservatives have been in disarray given the paleo vs. neo con split. But all it requires now is for a few more votes to shift in Ontario, a few more &#8220;federalists&#8221; to lose their fear of Quebecois nationalism, the now more immigrant than racist reality of conservatism to become apparent, and Canadians will free themselves from the evil red tide that has constrained our better side (the faith that we can govern ourselves) for much of the 20thC. It is ignorance of this side, when it comes to stereotyping ìCanadaî, that I hope our American friends will increasingly be able to rectify. We need a few more David Frums.</p>
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		<title>By: Mikey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mikey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Apr 2005 18:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds rather like good old machine politics a la Tammany Hall or G.W. Plunkett.



One party states do have a tendency to fall into that kind of trouble.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds rather like good old machine politics a la Tammany Hall or G.W. Plunkett.</p>
<p>One party states do have a tendency to fall into that kind of trouble.</p>
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		<title>By: exmaple</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2005/04/19/the-politics-of-patronage/#comment-45608</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Apr 2005 18:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frum&#039;s description of the Liberals as a &quot;brokerage party&quot; is interesting and worth consideration.  But they appeal to certain personality and attitudes, for example a &quot;progressivism&quot; whose meaning and agenda has lost it&#039;s base support.  Base issues have been satisfied mostly.  But to keep the frisson of the &quot;progressive&quot; engine running they&#039;ve reached to issues like censorship and gay marriage, like some Democrats in the USA - but with the base these issues are scary or not important.



I think of the Liberals&#039; agenda, on the maximum economic scale, as corporatist, maybe proto-fascist.  As Benito Mussolini said:



&quot;Fascism should more properly be called corportism becasue it is the merger of state and corparate power.&quot;



Call it &quot;Liberal Fascism&quot; or Fascism with a happy face, the best example is where Western Europe is headed.  Certain forces for EU consolidation detest democracy and wish to see a corportist state to &quot;balance&quot; the world.  Naturally the politicians who promote this are self-interested as their own ideology allows personal links to big business.  They encourage the transfer of personalities back and forth from big business and government.  For citizens uncomfortable with this trend the elites foment anti-Americanism as a distraction.



In Canada there&#039;s still the vote, so Liberal Corporatism can be held in check.  And the voters, like others in the Anglosphere, are not by default resigned to corporate/government unity.  The corporatists had the sentiment of globalism and international identity to rationalize their policies that harmed the Canadian people.  Hopefully the realization that the proponents of these policies weren&#039;t motivated by altruism but profit will gain in visibility and expose the sentiment.  Their could be a liberal party without the corporatism.  It doesn&#039;t pay well and Martin isn&#039;t the one to make the purge, but it might save the party.




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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frum&#8217;s description of the Liberals as a &#8220;brokerage party&#8221; is interesting and worth consideration.  But they appeal to certain personality and attitudes, for example a &#8220;progressivism&#8221; whose meaning and agenda has lost it&#8217;s base support.  Base issues have been satisfied mostly.  But to keep the frisson of the &#8220;progressive&#8221; engine running they&#8217;ve reached to issues like censorship and gay marriage, like some Democrats in the USA &#8211; but with the base these issues are scary or not important.</p>
<p>I think of the Liberals&#8217; agenda, on the maximum economic scale, as corporatist, maybe proto-fascist.  As Benito Mussolini said:</p>
<p>&#8220;Fascism should more properly be called corportism becasue it is the merger of state and corparate power.&#8221;</p>
<p>Call it &#8220;Liberal Fascism&#8221; or Fascism with a happy face, the best example is where Western Europe is headed.  Certain forces for EU consolidation detest democracy and wish to see a corportist state to &#8220;balance&#8221; the world.  Naturally the politicians who promote this are self-interested as their own ideology allows personal links to big business.  They encourage the transfer of personalities back and forth from big business and government.  For citizens uncomfortable with this trend the elites foment anti-Americanism as a distraction.</p>
<p>In Canada there&#8217;s still the vote, so Liberal Corporatism can be held in check.  And the voters, like others in the Anglosphere, are not by default resigned to corporate/government unity.  The corporatists had the sentiment of globalism and international identity to rationalize their policies that harmed the Canadian people.  Hopefully the realization that the proponents of these policies weren&#8217;t motivated by altruism but profit will gain in visibility and expose the sentiment.  Their could be a liberal party without the corporatism.  It doesn&#8217;t pay well and Martin isn&#8217;t the one to make the purge, but it might save the party.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Apr 2005 18:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More coming out on Maurice Strong, Kofi Annan&#039;s #1 man for advice and consultation.  http://acepilots.com/unscam/   &quot;Kofi AnnanÔøΩs special envoy to Korea Maurice Strong admits he knows &quot;Koreagate Man&quot; Tongsun Park and even that Park invested in an &quot;energy company&quot; with which he was associated in 1997--but flatly denies any involvement in the scandal-ridden UN oil-for-food program.&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More coming out on Maurice Strong, Kofi Annan&#8217;s #1 man for advice and consultation.  <a href="http://acepilots.com/unscam/" rel="nofollow">http://acepilots.com/unscam/</a>   &#8220;Kofi AnnanÔøΩs special envoy to Korea Maurice Strong admits he knows &#8220;Koreagate Man&#8221; Tongsun Park and even that Park invested in an &#8220;energy company&#8221; with which he was associated in 1997&#8211;but flatly denies any involvement in the scandal-ridden UN oil-for-food program.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Half Sigma</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2005/04/19/the-politics-of-patronage/#comment-45606</link>
		<dc:creator>Half Sigma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People really are dumb and unable to make choices. It&#039;s a dilemna. Usually, the best thing to do is give people the rope they need to hang themslves.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People really are dumb and unable to make choices. It&#8217;s a dilemna. Usually, the best thing to do is give people the rope they need to hang themslves.</p>
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		<title>By: Former CNN Watcher</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2005/04/19/the-politics-of-patronage/#comment-45605</link>
		<dc:creator>Former CNN Watcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All totalitarian doctrines (Communism, Nazism, Islamofascism) rest on firm belief in power of elites.



They all boil down to, &quot;We, the members of the elite class, are morally and intellectually superior to you peasants. Therefore we arrogate to ourselves the power to decide what you can and cannot do, with your souls, your minds, your bodies, your voices, your votes, and your money.  We can even kill you in large numbers if we so decide, because we are building the perfect society and we know best.&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All totalitarian doctrines (Communism, Nazism, Islamofascism) rest on firm belief in power of elites.</p>
<p>They all boil down to, &#8220;We, the members of the elite class, are morally and intellectually superior to you peasants. Therefore we arrogate to ourselves the power to decide what you can and cannot do, with your souls, your minds, your bodies, your voices, your votes, and your money.  We can even kill you in large numbers if we so decide, because we are building the perfect society and we know best.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This could be called enlightened socialism also.  How nice of the professorship of our universities to save us the time to winnow out the wheat from the chaff.  What they want is what the United Nations want, they want to be the final arbitrator between the ideas of free men and women.  The choices you get to make is between what &quot;they&quot; think is wise and prudent and they do this to save you time because your probably to stupid to make a wise choice anyway.  More of this type of socialist thinking will be a good cause for the end of tenure.  These are undemocratic thinkings and can lead to where other countries went like in 1917 but maybe that is where &#039;professors&#039; like this want us to be in the future.  Maurice Strong of the United Nations has similar thinking you might want to take a look at an article written in 1997 since his name has come up lately. http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_n16_v49/ai_19722906/pg_1   What political trash is coming out of our universities anymore, what they want has been tried over and over and just leads to tyranny.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This could be called enlightened socialism also.  How nice of the professorship of our universities to save us the time to winnow out the wheat from the chaff.  What they want is what the United Nations want, they want to be the final arbitrator between the ideas of free men and women.  The choices you get to make is between what &#8220;they&#8221; think is wise and prudent and they do this to save you time because your probably to stupid to make a wise choice anyway.  More of this type of socialist thinking will be a good cause for the end of tenure.  These are undemocratic thinkings and can lead to where other countries went like in 1917 but maybe that is where &#8216;professors&#8217; like this want us to be in the future.  Maurice Strong of the United Nations has similar thinking you might want to take a look at an article written in 1997 since his name has come up lately. <a href="http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_n16_v49/ai_19722906/pg_1" rel="nofollow">http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_n16_v49/ai_19722906/pg_1</a>   What political trash is coming out of our universities anymore, what they want has been tried over and over and just leads to tyranny.</p>
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		<title>By: David Thomson</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2005/04/19/the-politics-of-patronage/#comment-45603</link>
		<dc:creator>David Thomson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ìThis approach -- along with the resulting belief that if a certain individual is not able to meet Professor Thaler&#039;s criteria for being able to make &quot;smart choices&quot; (however Professor Thaler defines the term &quot;smart choices&quot;), that individual ought to have his/her choices limited or taken away -- makes the entire concept of &quot;libertarian paternalism&quot;



I will make this real simple for everybody.  If you voted for George W. Bush---you did not make a ìsmart choiceî and desperately need supervision.   A reeducation camp might be required.  Richard Thalerís deconstructionist rantings inevitably argue for a paternalistic environment where he and his buddies will decide whatís best for the rest of us.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ìThis approach &#8212; along with the resulting belief that if a certain individual is not able to meet Professor Thaler&#8217;s criteria for being able to make &#8220;smart choices&#8221; (however Professor Thaler defines the term &#8220;smart choices&#8221;), that individual ought to have his/her choices limited or taken away &#8212; makes the entire concept of &#8220;libertarian paternalism&#8221;</p>
<p>I will make this real simple for everybody.  If you voted for George W. Bush&#8212;you did not make a ìsmart choiceî and desperately need supervision.   A reeducation camp might be required.  Richard Thalerís deconstructionist rantings inevitably argue for a paternalistic environment where he and his buddies will decide whatís best for the rest of us.</p>
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