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	<title>Comments on: Vladimir Marches into the Past &#8211; Part II</title>
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		<title>By: thibaud</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2005/01/12/vladimir-marches-into-the-past-part-ii/#comment-33876</link>
		<dc:creator>thibaud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2005 19:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s a transitional figure. A clown, really.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s a transitional figure. A clown, really.</p>
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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2005 19:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Putin is strange. On one hand he tells Bush that not only does he believe Saddam has weapons, he also believes Saddam is planning to launch attacks in the US...and then he opposes the invasion.



He supports Bush&#039;s reelection and yet he is pursuing a policy that is not helpful to Bush in anyway.





I think thibauld is right here. This man does not have the control we think he has.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Putin is strange. On one hand he tells Bush that not only does he believe Saddam has weapons, he also believes Saddam is planning to launch attacks in the US&#8230;and then he opposes the invasion.</p>
<p>He supports Bush&#8217;s reelection and yet he is pursuing a policy that is not helpful to Bush in anyway.</p>
<p>I think thibauld is right here. This man does not have the control we think he has.</p>
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		<title>By: thibaud</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2005/01/12/vladimir-marches-into-the-past-part-ii/#comment-33874</link>
		<dc:creator>thibaud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2005 19:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anders Aslund is a smart guy who knows Russia. Here&#039;s his take (my emphasis added):



&lt;i&gt;It should come as no surprise that Yukos, Beslan, and Ukraine were hardly freak accidents. Instead, they were the fruit of Putin&#039;s extreme centralization of decisionmaking, his systematic use of disinformation, and his abolition of all corrective mechanisms, compounded by great personal stubbornness.



&lt;i&gt;Like Mikhail Gorbachev in 1989, Putin has drained all power out of the formal institutions of government. His legitimacy resides only in his popularity, which will inevitably crumble after he has alienated most elites and paralyzed his government. The Putin regime has too narrow a base and is too ineffective to last. Although it is hard to predict how fast it will collapse or what will replace it, &lt;b&gt;the regime is likely to unravel sooner than anybody now dares to suggest.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;



But Aslund&#039;s prognosis is more sanguine, or less sanguinary, than mine. He compares Putin&#039;s authoritarianism to Gorbachev&#039;s:



&lt;i&gt;...Ironically, Putin is forcing U.S. policy toward Russia to come full circle, back to where it was in the late Soviet period. Once again, the United States must manage the decline of a mildly authoritarian regime armed with nuclear weapons. It should be possible to do this without causing any great harm, but we should harbor no illusion that this colossus with feet of clay &lt;/i&gt;[Bismarck&#039;s phrase about late 19c Russia-t.]&lt;i&gt; will stand up and fight with us in the war on terror.&lt;/i&gt;



The problem is that there is no CPSU anymore, and in its wake no effective state institutions have risen to take its place. The Duma is feckless, ditto for the courts. The army is a disaster. The security services run wild and are thoroughly corrupted. The economics ministry has a few competent officials now but the strong leaders were purged months ago. No one&#039;s really guarding the borders and whether the WMD stocks are effectively guarded is anyone&#039;s guess. (My own is that WMD supplies are being trafficked through the FSB/mafiya&#039;s favorite offshore venue, Dubai.)



This is not another Soviet Union; this is something not seen since 1917, with a third-world twist. It is a &lt;b&gt;failing state,&lt;/b&gt; this time with WMD stocks for the taking. Aslund&#039;s optimism is misplaced.&lt;/i&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anders Aslund is a smart guy who knows Russia. Here&#8217;s his take (my emphasis added):</p>
<p><i>It should come as no surprise that Yukos, Beslan, and Ukraine were hardly freak accidents. Instead, they were the fruit of Putin&#8217;s extreme centralization of decisionmaking, his systematic use of disinformation, and his abolition of all corrective mechanisms, compounded by great personal stubbornness.</p>
<p></i><i>Like Mikhail Gorbachev in 1989, Putin has drained all power out of the formal institutions of government. His legitimacy resides only in his popularity, which will inevitably crumble after he has alienated most elites and paralyzed his government. The Putin regime has too narrow a base and is too ineffective to last. Although it is hard to predict how fast it will collapse or what will replace it, <b>the regime is likely to unravel sooner than anybody now dares to suggest.</b></i></p>
<p>But Aslund&#8217;s prognosis is more sanguine, or less sanguinary, than mine. He compares Putin&#8217;s authoritarianism to Gorbachev&#8217;s:</p>
<p><i>&#8230;Ironically, Putin is forcing U.S. policy toward Russia to come full circle, back to where it was in the late Soviet period. Once again, the United States must manage the decline of a mildly authoritarian regime armed with nuclear weapons. It should be possible to do this without causing any great harm, but we should harbor no illusion that this colossus with feet of clay </i>[Bismarck's phrase about late 19c Russia-t.]<i> will stand up and fight with us in the war on terror.</i></p>
<p>The problem is that there is no CPSU anymore, and in its wake no effective state institutions have risen to take its place. The Duma is feckless, ditto for the courts. The army is a disaster. The security services run wild and are thoroughly corrupted. The economics ministry has a few competent officials now but the strong leaders were purged months ago. No one&#8217;s really guarding the borders and whether the WMD stocks are effectively guarded is anyone&#8217;s guess. (My own is that WMD supplies are being trafficked through the FSB/mafiya&#8217;s favorite offshore venue, Dubai.)</p>
<p>This is not another Soviet Union; this is something not seen since 1917, with a third-world twist. It is a <b>failing state,</b> this time with WMD stocks for the taking. Aslund&#8217;s optimism is misplaced.</p>
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		<title>By: thibaud</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Post-election, why can&#039;t we redeploy troops toward

a) the highways and

b) the border with Syria, with support from the peshmerga?



The first phase of the war is over. The next phase should be Iraqi Democrats vs Iraqi Fascists, not a continuation of a US counterinsurgency effort. Give the Iraqis prime responsibility for defending their own nascent democracy (albeit with a decent-sized US contingent in Baghdad) and help them defeat foreign-based and -supplied ba&#039;athists with the above deployment strategy.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Post-election, why can&#8217;t we redeploy troops toward</p>
<p>a) the highways and</p>
<p>b) the border with Syria, with support from the peshmerga?</p>
<p>The first phase of the war is over. The next phase should be Iraqi Democrats vs Iraqi Fascists, not a continuation of a US counterinsurgency effort. Give the Iraqis prime responsibility for defending their own nascent democracy (albeit with a decent-sized US contingent in Baghdad) and help them defeat foreign-based and -supplied ba&#8217;athists with the above deployment strategy.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony Ragan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony Ragan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,



&lt;i&gt;Syria must be the next domino to fall. We should invade the country in the very near future.&lt;/i&gt;



With what? Thanks to Bush the Elder and Former President Bubba, our Army was reduced from 18 divisions to the ten we had just before the liberation of Iraq. We simply don&#039;t have the forces to invade and occupy another country while maintaining our efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan.



I agree Syria needs a hard crack on the head, however. They likely received some of Saddam&#039;s WMDs before the war, and they&#039;re definitely providing shelter and aid to the former Baathist leaders who are directing the head-choppers in Iraq. That cannot go unpunished.



The question is, how?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p><i>Syria must be the next domino to fall. We should invade the country in the very near future.</i></p>
<p>With what? Thanks to Bush the Elder and Former President Bubba, our Army was reduced from 18 divisions to the ten we had just before the liberation of Iraq. We simply don&#8217;t have the forces to invade and occupy another country while maintaining our efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan.</p>
<p>I agree Syria needs a hard crack on the head, however. They likely received some of Saddam&#8217;s WMDs before the war, and they&#8217;re definitely providing shelter and aid to the former Baathist leaders who are directing the head-choppers in Iraq. That cannot go unpunished.</p>
<p>The question is, how?</p>
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		<title>By: thibaud</title>
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		<dc:creator>thibaud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin, I&#039;m not minimizing the threat; in fact I think it&#039;s in many ways much worse than we imagine. But the nature of the threat is not so dissimilar to what we&#039;re dealing with now in Pakistan. We need to get over the notion that the Russian polity-- not the people, not the culture, but the way Russia is governed and how decisions are made-- is a normal or normalizing one.



Samuel Huntington famously distinguished between &quot;orderly&quot; societies, which he described as those in which &quot;the government governs&quot;, and those in which the government is incapable of delivering basic goods and generally pursuing policy goals in a coherent and disciplined manner. The Soviet Union was orderly; today&#039;s Russia is not.



Putin is Musharraf in whiteface. We need to start approaching Russia as a third world, failing state. As someone with Russian family, I find this is humiliating and depressing beyond words, but there it is.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin, I&#8217;m not minimizing the threat; in fact I think it&#8217;s in many ways much worse than we imagine. But the nature of the threat is not so dissimilar to what we&#8217;re dealing with now in Pakistan. We need to get over the notion that the Russian polity&#8211; not the people, not the culture, but the way Russia is governed and how decisions are made&#8211; is a normal or normalizing one.</p>
<p>Samuel Huntington famously distinguished between &#8220;orderly&#8221; societies, which he described as those in which &#8220;the government governs&#8221;, and those in which the government is incapable of delivering basic goods and generally pursuing policy goals in a coherent and disciplined manner. The Soviet Union was orderly; today&#8217;s Russia is not.</p>
<p>Putin is Musharraf in whiteface. We need to start approaching Russia as a third world, failing state. As someone with Russian family, I find this is humiliating and depressing beyond words, but there it is.</p>
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		<title>By: thibaud</title>
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		<dc:creator>thibaud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Katharine,



There are indeed property rights-- in fact over 65% of Russia&#039;s economy is in private hands, and Russians are doing a very brisk business in buying and selling their apartments-- but there is no effective rule of law.



An odd combination, I know, but then Russian capitalism isn&#039;t really capitalism. You can&#039;t have capitalism if you don&#039;t have real banks or other financial intermediaries that channel savings into productive investments. Instead, nearly all Russian savings are either stuffed under mattresses or sent overseas. This is mainly a cash-based economy-- not such a bad thing, as no one pays attention to accounting games the way they do here-- but the principal consequences for Russian society are that

&lt;b&gt;1) no one has any commitment to or faith in the future, and

2) the economy and budget are 100% dependent on the export of commodities, mainly oil, gas and a few minerals and metals.



When commodity prices are high, Russia can coast. Lots of cash for Moscow and a slight bump up for the miserably poor who make up the majority everywhere else.



When commodity prices fall, Russia collapses. This is the same kind of third world seesaw that Mexico, Indonesia, Nigeria etc have been riding for a century. Those are the relevant comparisons for Russia IMHO-- with the added overlays of the WMD candystore and the arab-Dubai connections.



&lt;/b&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katharine,</p>
<p>There are indeed property rights&#8211; in fact over 65% of Russia&#8217;s economy is in private hands, and Russians are doing a very brisk business in buying and selling their apartments&#8211; but there is no effective rule of law.</p>
<p>An odd combination, I know, but then Russian capitalism isn&#8217;t really capitalism. You can&#8217;t have capitalism if you don&#8217;t have real banks or other financial intermediaries that channel savings into productive investments. Instead, nearly all Russian savings are either stuffed under mattresses or sent overseas. This is mainly a cash-based economy&#8211; not such a bad thing, as no one pays attention to accounting games the way they do here&#8211; but the principal consequences for Russian society are that</p>
<p><b>1) no one has any commitment to or faith in the future, and</p>
<p>2) the economy and budget are 100% dependent on the export of commodities, mainly oil, gas and a few minerals and metals.</p>
<p>When commodity prices are high, Russia can coast. Lots of cash for Moscow and a slight bump up for the miserably poor who make up the majority everywhere else.</p>
<p>When commodity prices fall, Russia collapses. This is the same kind of third world seesaw that Mexico, Indonesia, Nigeria etc have been riding for a century. Those are the relevant comparisons for Russia IMHO&#8211; with the added overlays of the WMD candystore and the arab-Dubai connections.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thibaud:



I agree that Russia is not a fascist state at the moment but the fact that Putin is unilaterally removing agreed upon election procedures, ie the elections of govenors, is a sign that he is setting up a strong man dictatorship style of government. He may be just a figurehead in a KGB(or NKVD,or cheka or whatever the current letterhead for the Russian secret police) directed government. Even acknowleging the massive corruption of the Yeltsin era the fact that the government is now in control of virtually all of the media outlets in Russia and is slowly taking control of the electoral process is the beginnings of a individual or clique style dictatorship. What we can do about it is beyond my imagination.



Regarding his treatment of the Jews remember that at various times Lenin and Stalin initiated generous treatment of the Jewish people that was yanked away when Stalins inbred anti-semitism took over. The fact that he had complete control of all aspects of government, media, and business made that decision easy. Putin is not even close to that type of control but he is initiating the building blocks of that type of system and the fact that some elements of the Russian population look back lovingly on the era when the USSR strode the world as a giant and was not an international joke is very scary to me.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thibaud:</p>
<p>I agree that Russia is not a fascist state at the moment but the fact that Putin is unilaterally removing agreed upon election procedures, ie the elections of govenors, is a sign that he is setting up a strong man dictatorship style of government. He may be just a figurehead in a KGB(or NKVD,or cheka or whatever the current letterhead for the Russian secret police) directed government. Even acknowleging the massive corruption of the Yeltsin era the fact that the government is now in control of virtually all of the media outlets in Russia and is slowly taking control of the electoral process is the beginnings of a individual or clique style dictatorship. What we can do about it is beyond my imagination.</p>
<p>Regarding his treatment of the Jews remember that at various times Lenin and Stalin initiated generous treatment of the Jewish people that was yanked away when Stalins inbred anti-semitism took over. The fact that he had complete control of all aspects of government, media, and business made that decision easy. Putin is not even close to that type of control but he is initiating the building blocks of that type of system and the fact that some elements of the Russian population look back lovingly on the era when the USSR strode the world as a giant and was not an international joke is very scary to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Katherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thibaud,



In other words, Russia is a case study for a democratic system functioning in the absence of property rights and the rule of law, as we understand it.  Which does not negate the contentions that Russia is as eager to play the Great Game as ever.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thibaud,</p>
<p>In other words, Russia is a case study for a democratic system functioning in the absence of property rights and the rule of law, as we understand it.  Which does not negate the contentions that Russia is as eager to play the Great Game as ever.</p>
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		<title>By: thibaud</title>
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		<dc:creator>thibaud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another reason not to employ the fascist analogy to Putin&#039;s Russia: the two key features of  fascist ideology and m.o. are the cult of violence and a national supremacy defined in racial terms. Which both imply a concerted campaign of party-directed violence against racial minorities. The abusive treatment of southerners from the Caucasus has long been a feature of Moscow society; this accelerated under the Richard Daley-style kleptocratic mayor of Moscow, Yuri Luzhkov, during the 1990s, and has zip to do with Putin.



In fact, Putin has done more than any Russian leader in history to ensure tolerance for and fair treatment of Russia&#039;s jews. One could argue that he&#039;s doing Russia&#039;s jewish minority a favor by clamping down on the, unfortunately, overwhelmingly jewish circle of &quot;oligarch&quot; thieves, swindlers and murderers who grabbed assets representing nearly 40% of Russia&#039;s GDP under Yeltsin.



The problem in Russia is not that the government is too strong but that it barely governs at all. Nigeria, not Weimar.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another reason not to employ the fascist analogy to Putin&#8217;s Russia: the two key features of  fascist ideology and m.o. are the cult of violence and a national supremacy defined in racial terms. Which both imply a concerted campaign of party-directed violence against racial minorities. The abusive treatment of southerners from the Caucasus has long been a feature of Moscow society; this accelerated under the Richard Daley-style kleptocratic mayor of Moscow, Yuri Luzhkov, during the 1990s, and has zip to do with Putin.</p>
<p>In fact, Putin has done more than any Russian leader in history to ensure tolerance for and fair treatment of Russia&#8217;s jews. One could argue that he&#8217;s doing Russia&#8217;s jewish minority a favor by clamping down on the, unfortunately, overwhelmingly jewish circle of &#8220;oligarch&#8221; thieves, swindlers and murderers who grabbed assets representing nearly 40% of Russia&#8217;s GDP under Yeltsin.</p>
<p>The problem in Russia is not that the government is too strong but that it barely governs at all. Nigeria, not Weimar.</p>
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