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		<title>By: David Gillies</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/12/06/dumb-and-dumber-2/#comment-30433</link>
		<dc:creator>David Gillies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2004 21:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not just literacy that&#039;s a problem. Modern educational systems are turning out people who have next to no facility in &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; core skill. Of particular concern to me, as an engineer in academia, was the poor grasp of elementary mathematics possessed by many undergraduates in their first year. Students were being accepted into an Electronic Engineering degree course without knowing, for example, how to factorise a quadratic equation or differentiate a simple polynomial. Many of them required remedial teaching. General consternation was felt when, in a test to gauge the new intake&#039;s competence level, several students simplified sin &lt;i&gt;x&lt;/i&gt;/cos &lt;i&gt;x&lt;/i&gt; (=tan &lt;i&gt;x&lt;/i&gt;) as in/co. To be 18 or 19, having presumably passed an advanced mathematics exam and still not be able to correctly answer questions such as this is indicative of a dreadful problem in secondary education.



Apart from that, the general level of literacy was execrable (engineers and scientists have to write a good deal more than is popularly imagined). I&#039;m not talking about simple &lt;i&gt;betises&lt;/i&gt; such as confusing &#039;effect&#039; and &#039;affect&#039;. No, I had to grade work from young adults who seemed incapable of grasping subject-verb agreement. The comma was a mysterious thing, to be scattered, about the page at, will; the semicolon a near-divine object whose workings were not vouchsafed to the unititiate. Proper construction of multi-clause sentences was almost unkown, with sentence fragments abounding. Which was a nuisance.



Political correctness being what it is, I couldn&#039;t simply scrawl, &quot;this is the biggest load of utter bollocks I&#039;ve ever read in my life,&quot; and fail them ignominiously. It wore you down, I tell you. A period instructing the little buggers (I called them my &#039;special needs class&#039;) was almost equally enervating, and usually led to heavy drinking punctuated with bitter imprecations upon the state of British education.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not just literacy that&#8217;s a problem. Modern educational systems are turning out people who have next to no facility in <i>any</i> core skill. Of particular concern to me, as an engineer in academia, was the poor grasp of elementary mathematics possessed by many undergraduates in their first year. Students were being accepted into an Electronic Engineering degree course without knowing, for example, how to factorise a quadratic equation or differentiate a simple polynomial. Many of them required remedial teaching. General consternation was felt when, in a test to gauge the new intake&#8217;s competence level, several students simplified sin <i>x</i>/cos <i>x</i> (=tan <i>x</i>) as in/co. To be 18 or 19, having presumably passed an advanced mathematics exam and still not be able to correctly answer questions such as this is indicative of a dreadful problem in secondary education.</p>
<p>Apart from that, the general level of literacy was execrable (engineers and scientists have to write a good deal more than is popularly imagined). I&#8217;m not talking about simple <i>betises</i> such as confusing &#8216;effect&#8217; and &#8216;affect&#8217;. No, I had to grade work from young adults who seemed incapable of grasping subject-verb agreement. The comma was a mysterious thing, to be scattered, about the page at, will; the semicolon a near-divine object whose workings were not vouchsafed to the unititiate. Proper construction of multi-clause sentences was almost unkown, with sentence fragments abounding. Which was a nuisance.</p>
<p>Political correctness being what it is, I couldn&#8217;t simply scrawl, &#8220;this is the biggest load of utter bollocks I&#8217;ve ever read in my life,&#8221; and fail them ignominiously. It wore you down, I tell you. A period instructing the little buggers (I called them my &#8216;special needs class&#8217;) was almost equally enervating, and usually led to heavy drinking punctuated with bitter imprecations upon the state of British education.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Grouch</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/12/06/dumb-and-dumber-2/#comment-30432</link>
		<dc:creator>Old Grouch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2004 17:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In an earlier life, I did part-time work at an  educational-band radio station operated by a not-first-rank-but-still-respectable private university.  The station was run by the university&#039;s &quot;Communications Department,&quot; (which also had courses in journalism and public relations).



Even 25 years ago, it had become a standing joke that the best (meaning clearest, most succinct, and most grammatically accurate) writing was to be found in memos written by the station&#039;s chief engineer, a graduate of a big-city technical high school who had dropped out of Purdue after two years (&quot;because they wouldn&#039;t teach me anything I wanted to know&quot;).



The writing by the students (who were, generally, bright and committed) was frequently appalling, and some of the stuff by the faculty wasn&#039;t a great deal better.  The cry, &quot;and this is supposed to be a Communications Department?&quot; was frequent and dispiriting. :-(


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In an earlier life, I did part-time work at an  educational-band radio station operated by a not-first-rank-but-still-respectable private university.  The station was run by the university&#8217;s &#8220;Communications Department,&#8221; (which also had courses in journalism and public relations).</p>
<p>Even 25 years ago, it had become a standing joke that the best (meaning clearest, most succinct, and most grammatically accurate) writing was to be found in memos written by the station&#8217;s chief engineer, a graduate of a big-city technical high school who had dropped out of Purdue after two years (&#8220;because they wouldn&#8217;t teach me anything I wanted to know&#8221;).</p>
<p>The writing by the students (who were, generally, bright and committed) was frequently appalling, and some of the stuff by the faculty wasn&#8217;t a great deal better.  The cry, &#8220;and this is supposed to be a Communications Department?&#8221; was frequent and dispiriting. <img src='http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ed Poinsett</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/12/06/dumb-and-dumber-2/#comment-30431</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Poinsett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2004 06:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My son graduated from the Academic program at his high school ten years ago. That summer, I had him help me with a small carpentry project. He did not know which was larger - 5/16 or 3/8. He also had no idea how to figure it out. The teachers were demanding more pay.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My son graduated from the Academic program at his high school ten years ago. That summer, I had him help me with a small carpentry project. He did not know which was larger &#8211; 5/16 or 3/8. He also had no idea how to figure it out. The teachers were demanding more pay.</p>
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		<title>By: photoncourier.blogspot.com</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Dec 2004 21:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t had any problems with employees lacking basic literacy skills; however, I&#039;ve sometimes observed people who lack the ability to read documents critically. I&#039;m thinking of two different occasions where fairly senior and intelligent employees missed clear warning signs in proposals from other companies (detected by others before serious harm was done.) There are also many people who lack the ability to write in a clear and convincing manner...this is essential, of course, in most kinds of sales and marketing jobs (for external communication), and in most other jobs for (internal communication). Presentation skills are also extremely important in business.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t had any problems with employees lacking basic literacy skills; however, I&#8217;ve sometimes observed people who lack the ability to read documents critically. I&#8217;m thinking of two different occasions where fairly senior and intelligent employees missed clear warning signs in proposals from other companies (detected by others before serious harm was done.) There are also many people who lack the ability to write in a clear and convincing manner&#8230;this is essential, of course, in most kinds of sales and marketing jobs (for external communication), and in most other jobs for (internal communication). Presentation skills are also extremely important in business.</p>
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		<title>By: Peg C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peg C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Dec 2004 20:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL, Charlotte! Although lefty trolls write like that and they don&#039;t know any better.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL, Charlotte! Although lefty trolls write like that and they don&#8217;t know any better.</p>
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		<title>By: charlotte</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/12/06/dumb-and-dumber-2/#comment-30428</link>
		<dc:creator>charlotte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Dec 2004 17:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of you half it wrong:  Corperate america IS repsonsable for it&#039;s illegitamate employes who cant read and write good enough.  If it paid it&#039;s fare share of taxes to be redistribbuted to schools across this country then teachers and principles wuold half a better chance of teaching better, of coarse.  Its plainly loggical.  But bush and his christain crusaders wont buzinesses to keep all the money to themselves and keep most children ignerant and illegitamate.  Why you ask.  Becuase students who can read and write good dont wont to work demeening jobs for corperations that are taking over the world and they vote as proggresive sickular democrats.  Bad edducation = good supply of opresed laber and corperate stooges = bush christain and biz hedgemy of the world.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of you half it wrong:  Corperate america IS repsonsable for it&#8217;s illegitamate employes who cant read and write good enough.  If it paid it&#8217;s fare share of taxes to be redistribbuted to schools across this country then teachers and principles wuold half a better chance of teaching better, of coarse.  Its plainly loggical.  But bush and his christain crusaders wont buzinesses to keep all the money to themselves and keep most children ignerant and illegitamate.  Why you ask.  Becuase students who can read and write good dont wont to work demeening jobs for corperations that are taking over the world and they vote as proggresive sickular democrats.  Bad edducation = good supply of opresed laber and corperate stooges = bush christain and biz hedgemy of the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyda Sylvester</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/12/06/dumb-and-dumber-2/#comment-30427</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyda Sylvester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Dec 2004 17:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I write frequently to my elected representatives. You should see some of the return correspondance (not to mention the position papers). I&#039;m not talking about content here, but style, vocabulary, punctuation, snytax, usage. Sometimes I want to correct the letter like a school assignment and send it back, it&#039;s that bad.



One of the biggest problems, it seems, is the inability to be concise and succinct (of course almost anyone can benefit from a talented wielder of the blue pencil). I once wrote my Congressman&#039;s office requesting tickets for the White House tour. The reply was a page and a half long and amounted to &quot;we&#039;ll try&quot;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I write frequently to my elected representatives. You should see some of the return correspondance (not to mention the position papers). I&#8217;m not talking about content here, but style, vocabulary, punctuation, snytax, usage. Sometimes I want to correct the letter like a school assignment and send it back, it&#8217;s that bad.</p>
<p>One of the biggest problems, it seems, is the inability to be concise and succinct (of course almost anyone can benefit from a talented wielder of the blue pencil). I once wrote my Congressman&#8217;s office requesting tickets for the White House tour. The reply was a page and a half long and amounted to &#8220;we&#8217;ll try&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Peg C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peg C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Dec 2004 16:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Corporate America is populated by Americans (by and large) and they cannot write their way out of a paper bag, it is true. I get cross-eyed trying to make sense of notes from management in particular (many technical people actually write better).



However, I find the writing in much of the MSM to be barely any better and they have editors. What&#039;s their excuse? What passes for writing in a lot of newspaper articles is execrable. Not only are syntax and copy-editing apparently a thing of the past, but titles and headlines frequently bear no relation to the content, and the content is disorganized, spotty, and frequently brings up people&#039;s names with no explanation of who they are.



The crawl (scrawl?) at the bottom of Fox&#039;s screen very often has the most obvious misspellings.



This is all a torment to anyone who takes pleasure in reading good writing, but it seems ubiquitous now.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corporate America is populated by Americans (by and large) and they cannot write their way out of a paper bag, it is true. I get cross-eyed trying to make sense of notes from management in particular (many technical people actually write better).</p>
<p>However, I find the writing in much of the MSM to be barely any better and they have editors. What&#8217;s their excuse? What passes for writing in a lot of newspaper articles is execrable. Not only are syntax and copy-editing apparently a thing of the past, but titles and headlines frequently bear no relation to the content, and the content is disorganized, spotty, and frequently brings up people&#8217;s names with no explanation of who they are.</p>
<p>The crawl (scrawl?) at the bottom of Fox&#8217;s screen very often has the most obvious misspellings.</p>
<p>This is all a torment to anyone who takes pleasure in reading good writing, but it seems ubiquitous now.</p>
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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Dec 2004 14:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That should be &quot;children to read&quot;.....



Don&#039;t blame me I am a poduct of the American educational system.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That should be &#8220;children to read&#8221;&#8230;..</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t blame me I am a poduct of the American educational system.</p>
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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Dec 2004 14:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is just great.



Kids can&#039;t read and write when they hit the job market and schools are worried about whether or not a Christian teacher might actually be allowing children read the Declaration of Independence.





They should be worried about whether or not they can read period.



Maybe the Times would like to write an article on how the Teacher&#039;s unions are more worried about their pension funds than the illiterate.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just great.</p>
<p>Kids can&#8217;t read and write when they hit the job market and schools are worried about whether or not a Christian teacher might actually be allowing children read the Declaration of Independence.</p>
<p>They should be worried about whether or not they can read period.</p>
<p>Maybe the Times would like to write an article on how the Teacher&#8217;s unions are more worried about their pension funds than the illiterate.</p>
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