I am sorry to just get back to you. I ran out of energy last night on the East Coast and it is late again.

I agree with much of what you say. Arab society is a failure in part because of leaders such as Arafat. If the new leaders of the Palestinians are cut of the same cloth as Arafat, then Israel will do as Jamie suggests, which is the targeted killing of the “death cult leaders”.

I also agree that there is no greater historical problem that the Arab-Israeli conflict. It goes back to Abraham, Isaac and Ishmael. To Jamie’s point it has been futile to date. I am not suggesting that the US try to “broker” peace between a lawless mob of Islamic fanatics and Israel.

TMJ, I also agree that “we stand ready to midwife a PA state based on the rule of law that embraces publicly the right of Israel to exist.” To do otherwise would be foolish.

My point, perhaps poorly articulated, is how do the moderate voices – the voices that subscribe to the rule of law and the right of Irael to exist – be heard? They will only be heard (i) if they have the courage to try and lead and (ii) if they are given the opportunity to change the mind of the average Palestinian/Arab.

If all there is is killing, how will the cycle of violence ever stop?

I have been wrestling with the clash of civilization view and the view that we are at war with Islamic extremists/fascists and not Islam at large which has the capacity to co-exist peacefully with the Judeo-Christian West. I can’t say I’ve decided on this yet.

I come here because of discussions like these.

Thanks

I am very late getting back to this post, but with all due respect I concur with the majority opinion above, especially that of Jamie Irons.

The people that wield power on the Palestinian side of any process think nothing is untoward with factoring in suicide bombings or intercine murders with their daily conversations.

There is no reasonable expectation of good faith negotiation with the men who hold the power at the top of the PA thugocracy. None.

What should the United States do? After fifty years of expending billions of dollars, warehouses of good faith, planetary orbs of prestige, and the odd American that Palestinian or other Islamic murderers managed to kill?

We should reiterate that we stand ready to midwife a PA state based on the rule of law that embraces publicly the right of Israel to exist. And if the Palestinians remain screwed under the weight of Hamas, al Aqsa, etc, etc, or make speeches heralding the new dawn of coexistence while at the same time publishing textbooks and TV shows calling for the extinction of the Jews, then F*CK them.

Their only resources are protection money from the EU and the pipeline from the Arab Oil states. I’d say that both those groups are beginning to realize that their interests are no longer served in feeding the Frankenstein they have created.

Like the good doctor F., all they can do now is watch the monster lay waste to the villages and wonder when they will be the victims of what they so undeniably created.

So, republish the U.S. requirements that accompanied our ‘roadmap’ proposals, and try to get the Sharon government to stand with us publicly. We aren’t going to ‘manage’ this process any more. If the Palistinians won’t reform, then by all means we should support Israel’s efforts to cut the heads off the different organizations as part of the GWOT.

My hope is that medical science will figure out rejuvination in time for me to pass as a 20 year old with some of the freshman girls at CU.

“Freshperson”?

What it really reminds me is, despite all the complaints, the American system is surprisingly non-corrupt unlike, say, France, where government-by-bribery seems to be the norm.

The power vaccuum created by the loss of YA will lead to violent competition among those who would take his place. This should be encouraged and promoted. Let them kill one another for a while and the first few times they seem to be exhausting themselves help them regain their vigor with timely, umm…, eliminations. When they have grown sick of killing one another – as opposed to merely weary from the battles – then maybe a peace process will have some hope. I don’t believe even the bloodlust of the Palestinians is insatiable but I’d prefer that they test my theory among themselves.

Could there be another example in world history of a more futile project?

Arab society is a failure. Islam (or “Islamism,” if you prefer; I’m not sure there is a real difference now) is a death cult.

I think the policy of targeted killings of death cult leaders is working quite nicely.

Finish the wall, and keep killing the killers faster than they can regroup.

It has been noted that in Osama’s last hit video there was a remarkable absence of calls for more “martyrdom operations.”

The waiting lines at Shaheed Central are getting shorter and shorter.

Jamie Irons

than the IDF has in the last 20 years.

The oil-rich Muslim countries and their various dictators, strongmen and warlords had ample opportunity to spend their billions and educate, clothe and feed each and every Palestinian.

Instead, they built palaces for themselves while buying guns and bombs for the terrorists. These rulers figured that if disgruntled Muslims kept trying to kill Israelis, they wouldn’t try to kill their real oppressors.

EU bureaucrats and politicos didn’t want their lucrative contract kickbacks stopped because of some silly notion of freedom and individual rights in the ME. So they paid Arafat to keep the pot stirring…making sure that French, German and other companies were there to pick up oil contracts; construction bids; or arms sales.

Arafat got rich, the ME dictators stayed in power, and the European middlemen prospered.

Of course the Palestinians suffered, but hey…not everyone can be a winner can they?

In reality, terrorism begets poverty.

All the revulsion, loathing and fear that we can ever express over the marriage between Islamic fundamentalism, Arab nationalism, and Western elitism is self-contained in the Levant. It has been for years if anybody wanted to take a look.

Talk about bringing people together or supporting moderates or brokering peace is a nonsense avoidance of reality. Palestine is a seething cauldron of hate and frustration into which the shieks, mullahs and eurocrats will continue to pour billions of dollars, mountains of deceit, and rivers of somebody else’s blood until the last member standing of the Muslim Brotherhood admits that jihad was a stupid mistake.