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		<title>By: Old Grouch</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/10/28/wisdom-from-abroad/#comment-24617</link>
		<dc:creator>Old Grouch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Oct 2004 22:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here are the links to the two earlier Birkel posts:&lt;a href=&quot;http://randombirkel.blogspot.com/2004/10/study-by-british-medical-journal.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;How Many Dead/Death Rates/Baselines (updated)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://randombirkel.blogspot.com/2004/10/lancet-continued-from-below.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Nation on problems in previous Lancet-published Iraq Research&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here are the links to the two earlier Birkel posts:<a href="http://randombirkel.blogspot.com/2004/10/study-by-british-medical-journal.html" rel="nofollow">How Many Dead/Death Rates/Baselines (updated)</a><a href="http://randombirkel.blogspot.com/2004/10/lancet-continued-from-below.html" rel="nofollow">The Nation on problems in previous Lancet-published Iraq Research</a></p>
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		<title>By: Birkel</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/10/28/wisdom-from-abroad/#comment-24616</link>
		<dc:creator>Birkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Oct 2004 21:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roger,



Thanks for the nod. It is greatly appreciated. There is a lot of great info in your comments section that might shame what I collected on my blog. What a crowd.



But I do want to let people know that I&#039;ve got two other postings at Random Birkel that detail other significant information. Most importantly The Lancet underestimated the infant mortality rate by a mere 500%.



And then the report gets unbelievable!!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger,</p>
<p>Thanks for the nod. It is greatly appreciated. There is a lot of great info in your comments section that might shame what I collected on my blog. What a crowd.</p>
<p>But I do want to let people know that I&#8217;ve got two other postings at Random Birkel that detail other significant information. Most importantly The Lancet underestimated the infant mortality rate by a mere 500%.</p>
<p>And then the report gets unbelievable!!</p>
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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Oct 2004 19:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fresh Air:



It is also a direct attack on our military. This is not just an attack on Bush, they are quite plainly calling the US military baby killers.



Where have we heard this before? Do these folks ever get an original idea?



Well now if someboy wants an excuse to spit in a soldier&#039;s face these fine upstanding folks have provided them with one.



I wonder if any of these people said anything about the Iraqis before the invasion? Or if they are card carrying members of the Saddam fan club. Maybe they would like us turn him loose. They could do a survey and ask the Iraqi people about that. But they probably would not get past Fallujah, again.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fresh Air:</p>
<p>It is also a direct attack on our military. This is not just an attack on Bush, they are quite plainly calling the US military baby killers.</p>
<p>Where have we heard this before? Do these folks ever get an original idea?</p>
<p>Well now if someboy wants an excuse to spit in a soldier&#8217;s face these fine upstanding folks have provided them with one.</p>
<p>I wonder if any of these people said anything about the Iraqis before the invasion? Or if they are card carrying members of the Saddam fan club. Maybe they would like us turn him loose. They could do a survey and ask the Iraqi people about that. But they probably would not get past Fallujah, again.</p>
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		<title>By: Fresh Air</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/10/28/wisdom-from-abroad/#comment-24614</link>
		<dc:creator>Fresh Air</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Oct 2004 18:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something else:



Here is what the Lancet article says: &lt;i&gt;If we exclude the Falluja data, the risk of death is 1.5-fold (1.1-2.3) higher after the invasion.&lt;/i&gt;



For those of you not familiar with epidemiology, 1.5 is the &lt;i&gt;relative risk&lt;/i&gt;, or multiplier, placed on normal mortality in this case.



Two points:



1. The threshold for publication in most leading medical journals is an &lt;b&gt;RR of 3.0&lt;/b&gt;. This means &lt;i&gt;Lancet&lt;/i&gt; has pushed this thing into print by lowering its own standards.



2. An RR of 1.5 means that (1.5-1.0) / 1.5 is the percentage &quot;explained&quot; by their data, or 33%. In other words, &lt;b&gt;66% of the explanation is due to something other than the war!&lt;/b&gt;



So to recap, &lt;i&gt;Lancet&lt;/i&gt; publishes a study using highly flawed survey methods with numerous systematic and other biases, lowers its own standards and rushes its peer review to get it into print. And &lt;i&gt;even then&lt;/i&gt; their numbers don&#039;t prove anything.



This is junk science of the worst kind. Pathetic.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something else:</p>
<p>Here is what the Lancet article says: <i>If we exclude the Falluja data, the risk of death is 1.5-fold (1.1-2.3) higher after the invasion.</i></p>
<p>For those of you not familiar with epidemiology, 1.5 is the <i>relative risk</i>, or multiplier, placed on normal mortality in this case.</p>
<p>Two points:</p>
<p>1. The threshold for publication in most leading medical journals is an <b>RR of 3.0</b>. This means <i>Lancet</i> has pushed this thing into print by lowering its own standards.</p>
<p>2. An RR of 1.5 means that (1.5-1.0) / 1.5 is the percentage &#8220;explained&#8221; by their data, or 33%. In other words, <b>66% of the explanation is due to something other than the war!</b></p>
<p>So to recap, <i>Lancet</i> publishes a study using highly flawed survey methods with numerous systematic and other biases, lowers its own standards and rushes its peer review to get it into print. And <i>even then</i> their numbers don&#8217;t prove anything.</p>
<p>This is junk science of the worst kind. Pathetic.</p>
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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Oct 2004 18:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yehudit:



Mengele was a gifted doctor. Smart people can be stupid [or worse] too, especially when politics are involved.



I am beginning to wonder about these NGOs. They are too international politics what 527s are to our electoral process.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yehudit:</p>
<p>Mengele was a gifted doctor. Smart people can be stupid [or worse] too, especially when politics are involved.</p>
<p>I am beginning to wonder about these NGOs. They are too international politics what 527s are to our electoral process.</p>
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		<title>By: Hylas</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Oct 2004 18:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That should be Lancet, not Lancelet. I need a proofreader.
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		<title>By: Hylas</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been digging around a little more and I found a few interesting things.



A few years ago a study in the Lancelet claimed that MMR vaccine caused autism. This caused a worldwide scare. But the study was crap. The author, Andrew Wakefield, was paid to produce a study linking MMR with autism:



&lt;blockquote&gt;The issue of funding aside, there is another, perhaps more fundamental, issue. After lengthy investigations by The Sunday Times, Wakefield finally admitted last week that ìfour, perhaps fiveî of the children in his Lancet study were among the 10 named in the legal aid contract. Was it four or five? ìLetís make it five,î he said. The questioning went on. Were they litigants? Yes. Was he being paid to help them to build their case? Yes. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://briandeer.com/mmr/lancet-deer-2.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;source&lt;/a&gt;



Here&#039;s what Richard Horton, the editor of the Lancelet said about the fiasco:



&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;All in all, my attitude was far too laissez faire. If this is what critics meantóand still meanóby reckless, then I am guilty of that charge. I failed to do enough to manage the media reaction to this work. Until the Wakefield paper, I had not seen this media management role as one for a scientific medical journal editor. I now see it as one of my main responsibilities.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://briandeer.com/mmr/lancet-bmj.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;source&lt;/a&gt;



Media management. I think that speaks for itself. Horton is still the editor at the Lancelet. He provided an editorial accusing the US of &quot;democratic imperialism&quot; to accompany this latest study.



Interesting.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been digging around a little more and I found a few interesting things.</p>
<p>A few years ago a study in the Lancelet claimed that MMR vaccine caused autism. This caused a worldwide scare. But the study was crap. The author, Andrew Wakefield, was paid to produce a study linking MMR with autism:</p>
<blockquote><p>The issue of funding aside, there is another, perhaps more fundamental, issue. After lengthy investigations by The Sunday Times, Wakefield finally admitted last week that ìfour, perhaps fiveî of the children in his Lancet study were among the 10 named in the legal aid contract. Was it four or five? ìLetís make it five,î he said. The questioning went on. Were they litigants? Yes. Was he being paid to help them to build their case? Yes. </p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://briandeer.com/mmr/lancet-deer-2.htm" rel="nofollow">source</a></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what Richard Horton, the editor of the Lancelet said about the fiasco:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;All in all, my attitude was far too laissez faire. If this is what critics meantóand still meanóby reckless, then I am guilty of that charge. I failed to do enough to manage the media reaction to this work. Until the Wakefield paper, I had not seen this media management role as one for a scientific medical journal editor. I now see it as one of my main responsibilities.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://briandeer.com/mmr/lancet-bmj.htm" rel="nofollow">source</a></p>
<p>Media management. I think that speaks for itself. Horton is still the editor at the Lancelet. He provided an editorial accusing the US of &#8220;democratic imperialism&#8221; to accompany this latest study.</p>
<p>Interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Yehudit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yehudit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.smartindicators.org/workshop/Presenter_Biographies.htm#Anne%20Ralte,%20MPH&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Les Roberts has a Masters degree&lt;/a&gt; in public health from Tulane University and a Ph.D. in environmental engineering from Johns Hopkins.  He did a post-doctorate fellowship in epidemiology at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention where he worked for 4 years.  In 1994, he worked as an epidemiologist for the World Health Organization in Rwanda during their civil war.  At present, Les is Director of Health Policy at the International Rescue Committee, an NGO based in New York that provides relief to victims of war.  He is a lecturer at the Johns Hopkins University Department of Geography and Environmental Engineering where he teaches each fall.&quot;



Those look like good credentials to me. Although I agree about the sloppy methodology and the politicizing of the report.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.smartindicators.org/workshop/Presenter_Biographies.htm#Anne%20Ralte,%20MPH" rel="nofollow">Les Roberts has a Masters degree</a> in public health from Tulane University and a Ph.D. in environmental engineering from Johns Hopkins.  He did a post-doctorate fellowship in epidemiology at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention where he worked for 4 years.  In 1994, he worked as an epidemiologist for the World Health Organization in Rwanda during their civil war.  At present, Les is Director of Health Policy at the International Rescue Committee, an NGO based in New York that provides relief to victims of war.  He is a lecturer at the Johns Hopkins University Department of Geography and Environmental Engineering where he teaches each fall.&#8221;</p>
<p>Those look like good credentials to me. Although I agree about the sloppy methodology and the politicizing of the report.</p>
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		<title>By: Fresh Air</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fresh Air</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeezus! Everybody go look at the chart &lt;b&gt;Hylas&lt;/b&gt; 8:56 pointed out. All the deaths are in Fallujah!



No sh*t, Sherlock! Can&#039;t you see the poor thugs telling the English lefties how they just wanted to be left in peace to tend their goats and that their daughters, wives, aunts, nephews, etc. were being massacred?



The tip-off was that bit about &quot;airstrikes.&quot; Quiz: How many airstrikes not involving Al Sadr and not including Fallujah have been made since May 2003?



This thing is even worse than I thought. Somebody with a website should put the numbers into a spreadsheet and fit a regression onto them. I&#039;m virtually positive it will show a correlation coefficient near zero.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeezus! Everybody go look at the chart <b>Hylas</b> 8:56 pointed out. All the deaths are in Fallujah!</p>
<p>No sh*t, Sherlock! Can&#8217;t you see the poor thugs telling the English lefties how they just wanted to be left in peace to tend their goats and that their daughters, wives, aunts, nephews, etc. were being massacred?</p>
<p>The tip-off was that bit about &#8220;airstrikes.&#8221; Quiz: How many airstrikes not involving Al Sadr and not including Fallujah have been made since May 2003?</p>
<p>This thing is even worse than I thought. Somebody with a website should put the numbers into a spreadsheet and fit a regression onto them. I&#8217;m virtually positive it will show a correlation coefficient near zero.</p>
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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Catherine:



Hello. I hope you are better.



I would have thought 15,000 to 25,000, especially if you included the pounding the Iraqi army took as the US came in last year.



But I don&#039;t know. We are still finding mass graves and there was so much propaganda associated with sanctions that if we believe 100,000 children were dying a year because of evil US supported sanctions against the Iraqi people it makes it somewhat more difficult to believe that the primary cause of death before the invasion was heart attack. It seems the left gets lost in the maze of their own propaganda.



This is Iraq, it is so hard to know the truth, but I think we would be seeing some breathless and excited news people standing next to the mounds of dead bodies if we had indeed killed 100,000 civilians in bombing raids.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Catherine:</p>
<p>Hello. I hope you are better.</p>
<p>I would have thought 15,000 to 25,000, especially if you included the pounding the Iraqi army took as the US came in last year.</p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t know. We are still finding mass graves and there was so much propaganda associated with sanctions that if we believe 100,000 children were dying a year because of evil US supported sanctions against the Iraqi people it makes it somewhat more difficult to believe that the primary cause of death before the invasion was heart attack. It seems the left gets lost in the maze of their own propaganda.</p>
<p>This is Iraq, it is so hard to know the truth, but I think we would be seeing some breathless and excited news people standing next to the mounds of dead bodies if we had indeed killed 100,000 civilians in bombing raids.</p>
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