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		<title>By: Katherine</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/10/27/wag-the-dog/#comment-24246</link>
		<dc:creator>Katherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Oct 2004 00:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jj,



You label yourself as a pro-war liberal, but you cannot bring yourself to vote for Bush, for whatever reason. Bush is no angel, and we all can agree that his anti-terrorist effort at home and abroad is not perfect. Fine.



However, he is not running against a Perfect Democratic Candidate.  He is running against flesh and blood candidate named John Kerry, who has 30-year record in politics, which is easily verifiable.  This record shows JK consistently undermining the American military, weapons programs, intelligence and resolve in confronting the Soviet threat (yes, the Communist threat was very real, though so many already forgot about it).  John Kerry voted against the Gulf War I, when everybody and his brother including Arab nations were in coalition with us ñ clearly even participation of France and Saudi Arabia did pass his Global Test.  As recently as during the Democratic convention Sen. Kerry promised swift and decisive response ñ after the next terrorist attack.  I donít know about you, but I prefer that we fight terrorist away from our shores.  I donít know about you, but I would rather that the terrorists were confronted by armed and trained American military, not self-sacrificing unarmed militia, such as happened on the Flight 93.



Now, can you explain why do you trust Kerry to conduct the war that you claim to be for better than GWB?  Do you think that the foreign affairs team that Kerry is going to put together (Berger/Holbrook  et al.) is going to be better than Powell/Rice/Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz?  I would like to remind you that the Holbrook and Co. also have a record, all you need to do is check how swimmingly things are going in Bosnia and how well Kim Jong-il kept his side of agreement to not develop nuclear weapons in return to American concession.



Before you answer these questions please read this take on Andrew Sullivan position, which, I suspect, may parallel your thinking (scroll down to SCREED). http://www.lileks.com/bleats/archive/04/1004/102704.html



Youíll vote whatever way you will vote.  But remember, there is no buyerís regret on November 3rd or at any such time when next American city gets hit.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jj,</p>
<p>You label yourself as a pro-war liberal, but you cannot bring yourself to vote for Bush, for whatever reason. Bush is no angel, and we all can agree that his anti-terrorist effort at home and abroad is not perfect. Fine.</p>
<p>However, he is not running against a Perfect Democratic Candidate.  He is running against flesh and blood candidate named John Kerry, who has 30-year record in politics, which is easily verifiable.  This record shows JK consistently undermining the American military, weapons programs, intelligence and resolve in confronting the Soviet threat (yes, the Communist threat was very real, though so many already forgot about it).  John Kerry voted against the Gulf War I, when everybody and his brother including Arab nations were in coalition with us ñ clearly even participation of France and Saudi Arabia did pass his Global Test.  As recently as during the Democratic convention Sen. Kerry promised swift and decisive response ñ after the next terrorist attack.  I donít know about you, but I prefer that we fight terrorist away from our shores.  I donít know about you, but I would rather that the terrorists were confronted by armed and trained American military, not self-sacrificing unarmed militia, such as happened on the Flight 93.</p>
<p>Now, can you explain why do you trust Kerry to conduct the war that you claim to be for better than GWB?  Do you think that the foreign affairs team that Kerry is going to put together (Berger/Holbrook  et al.) is going to be better than Powell/Rice/Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz?  I would like to remind you that the Holbrook and Co. also have a record, all you need to do is check how swimmingly things are going in Bosnia and how well Kim Jong-il kept his side of agreement to not develop nuclear weapons in return to American concession.</p>
<p>Before you answer these questions please read this take on Andrew Sullivan position, which, I suspect, may parallel your thinking (scroll down to SCREED). <a href="http://www.lileks.com/bleats/archive/04/1004/102704.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.lileks.com/bleats/archive/04/1004/102704.html</a></p>
<p>Youíll vote whatever way you will vote.  But remember, there is no buyerís regret on November 3rd or at any such time when next American city gets hit.</p>
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		<title>By: PeterUK</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/10/27/wag-the-dog/#comment-24245</link>
		<dc:creator>PeterUK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fallujah,Perhaps time to read the history of the destruction of Carthage by Scipio Africanus.Some interesting parallels,



&quot;When Scipio Aemilianus obtained the command he at once perceived that it would be impossible to subdue the city as long as smuggling traders could run into the port with provisions&quot;.



&quot;For the first time in the siege the blockade was complete: the city was enclosed in a stone and iron cage. The Carthaginians in their fury brought forth the prisoners whom they had taken in their sallies, and hurled them headlong from the walls.&quot;



http://www.barca.fsnet.co.uk/carthage-destruction.htm



What goes around comes around.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fallujah,Perhaps time to read the history of the destruction of Carthage by Scipio Africanus.Some interesting parallels,</p>
<p>&#8220;When Scipio Aemilianus obtained the command he at once perceived that it would be impossible to subdue the city as long as smuggling traders could run into the port with provisions&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;For the first time in the siege the blockade was complete: the city was enclosed in a stone and iron cage. The Carthaginians in their fury brought forth the prisoners whom they had taken in their sallies, and hurled them headlong from the walls.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.barca.fsnet.co.uk/carthage-destruction.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.barca.fsnet.co.uk/carthage-destruction.htm</a></p>
<p>What goes around comes around.</p>
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		<title>By: docweasel</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/10/27/wag-the-dog/#comment-24244</link>
		<dc:creator>docweasel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2004 06:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: my above post:



http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1011-02.htm
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: my above post:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1011-02.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1011-02.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: docweasel</title>
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		<dc:creator>docweasel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2004 06:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s extree funny is that what, a week ago the Dem ocrat spin doctors were spinning that the Bush Admin was supposely _delaying_ any major action in Iraq to keep casualties down before the election. Now they bitch that Bush is _expediting_ major action before the election? Which is it?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s extree funny is that what, a week ago the Dem ocrat spin doctors were spinning that the Bush Admin was supposely _delaying_ any major action in Iraq to keep casualties down before the election. Now they bitch that Bush is _expediting_ major action before the election? Which is it?</p>
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		<title>By: RogerA</title>
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		<dc:creator>RogerA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2004 03:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeez, Jerry--I like how you think.  Westerners really do NOT understand a shame culture.  Compassion is understood as weakness. Crush them and grind their noses in it--they will fear us, and ultimately respect us.  Not a western concept, but those who havent been kaffirs in the land of the faithful dont understand that.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeez, Jerry&#8211;I like how you think.  Westerners really do NOT understand a shame culture.  Compassion is understood as weakness. Crush them and grind their noses in it&#8211;they will fear us, and ultimately respect us.  Not a western concept, but those who havent been kaffirs in the land of the faithful dont understand that.</p>
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		<title>By: RogerA</title>
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		<dc:creator>RogerA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2004 03:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It really is time to reduce Fallujah and drain the swamp.  I suspect the Iraqis know that as well.  There are nothing but plus sides:  Wretchard wrote a precient blog a while back that said basically:  who would we piss off? the shiites and the kurds both wish the sunnis a happy stay with their 72 virgins (or sultanas).  Only the chattering classes who really dont give a damn what happens in Iraq except as it affects their political survival really care.  Give the city 48 hours to evacuate women and children and then level it.  Trust me:  you will NEVER have a problem with the tribalists again--they really understand the use of force and the importance of not only defeating--but humiliating your opponent.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It really is time to reduce Fallujah and drain the swamp.  I suspect the Iraqis know that as well.  There are nothing but plus sides:  Wretchard wrote a precient blog a while back that said basically:  who would we piss off? the shiites and the kurds both wish the sunnis a happy stay with their 72 virgins (or sultanas).  Only the chattering classes who really dont give a damn what happens in Iraq except as it affects their political survival really care.  Give the city 48 hours to evacuate women and children and then level it.  Trust me:  you will NEVER have a problem with the tribalists again&#8211;they really understand the use of force and the importance of not only defeating&#8211;but humiliating your opponent.</p>
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		<title>By: jerry</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2004 03:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>legion:



We should actually do to Fallujah, and any other recalcitrant Sunni strongholds what Sherman did to Georgia.  We aren&#039;t there to win hearts and minds but to beat them into submission.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>legion:</p>
<p>We should actually do to Fallujah, and any other recalcitrant Sunni strongholds what Sherman did to Georgia.  We aren&#8217;t there to win hearts and minds but to beat them into submission.</p>
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		<title>By: jj</title>
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		<dc:creator>jj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2004 02:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roger,



I&#039;m afraid that many people just don&#039;t care about democracy in Iraq.  The place just doesn&#039;t seem real to people who are struggling to make ends meet over here.  Many people don&#039;t understand the connection between airplanes flown by Saudi citizens into New York buildings on the one hand and kamikaze religious nuts in Iraq.  200 billion can pay for a lot of hospitals and job training and jobs for that matter.  GWB is not FDR.  Many people, not just leftists, distrust Rumsfeld and Cheney, while Colin Powell, who is still respected and has the power of oration, does not seem to be campaigning for anyone.



I, myself, believe strongly that we must prevail in Iraq, but I can&#039;t make up my mind who to vote for.  I&#039;m sure there are a lot of people who feel like I do.  To a pro-war liberal, Bush is like a porcupine.  There are just so many negatives there, he&#039;s pretty hard to swallow.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m afraid that many people just don&#8217;t care about democracy in Iraq.  The place just doesn&#8217;t seem real to people who are struggling to make ends meet over here.  Many people don&#8217;t understand the connection between airplanes flown by Saudi citizens into New York buildings on the one hand and kamikaze religious nuts in Iraq.  200 billion can pay for a lot of hospitals and job training and jobs for that matter.  GWB is not FDR.  Many people, not just leftists, distrust Rumsfeld and Cheney, while Colin Powell, who is still respected and has the power of oration, does not seem to be campaigning for anyone.</p>
<p>I, myself, believe strongly that we must prevail in Iraq, but I can&#8217;t make up my mind who to vote for.  I&#8217;m sure there are a lot of people who feel like I do.  To a pro-war liberal, Bush is like a porcupine.  There are just so many negatives there, he&#8217;s pretty hard to swallow.</p>
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		<title>By: David Thomson</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Thomson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2004 02:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ìAnd if we are in the midst of this battle a week from Tuesday, it is hard to see how Bush will lose.î



I agree completely.  President Bush should ìwag this dogî until its hair starts to fall off.  It should boost our Commander-in-Chiefís poll numbers by another few points---and thatís all he needs to guarantee victory on November 2nd. Is this a cynical act?  Not in the least. This battle has to be fought eventually, why not here and now?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ìAnd if we are in the midst of this battle a week from Tuesday, it is hard to see how Bush will lose.î</p>
<p>I agree completely.  President Bush should ìwag this dogî until its hair starts to fall off.  It should boost our Commander-in-Chiefís poll numbers by another few points&#8212;and thatís all he needs to guarantee victory on November 2nd. Is this a cynical act?  Not in the least. This battle has to be fought eventually, why not here and now?</p>
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		<title>By: legion</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2004 01:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would prefer building a tall wall around Fallujah, and shooting anyone trying to go in or come out.  Keep the Fallujans isolated, under siege, continuing to bomb terrorist meetings.  And in the rest of Iraq, hold elections and continue to rebuild.  But that&#039;s just how I feel about it.



Fallujah could only be pacified when the Iranian authority was strong enough to clean out the mosques, and keep the peace, post-cleanup.



American troops could not safely patrol Fallujah after the foreign terrorists were cleaned out, because the regular citizens of Fallujah hate all outsiders, especially infidels.  Allawi has to make a deal with Fallujah&#039;s tribal leaders, after the foreign arab terrorists are dealt with.



The Sunnis have had things all their way for a very long time.  They think they have nothing to lose by behaving like medieval savages.  Perhaps Allawi can convince them differently.




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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would prefer building a tall wall around Fallujah, and shooting anyone trying to go in or come out.  Keep the Fallujans isolated, under siege, continuing to bomb terrorist meetings.  And in the rest of Iraq, hold elections and continue to rebuild.  But that&#8217;s just how I feel about it.</p>
<p>Fallujah could only be pacified when the Iranian authority was strong enough to clean out the mosques, and keep the peace, post-cleanup.</p>
<p>American troops could not safely patrol Fallujah after the foreign terrorists were cleaned out, because the regular citizens of Fallujah hate all outsiders, especially infidels.  Allawi has to make a deal with Fallujah&#8217;s tribal leaders, after the foreign arab terrorists are dealt with.</p>
<p>The Sunnis have had things all their way for a very long time.  They think they have nothing to lose by behaving like medieval savages.  Perhaps Allawi can convince them differently.</p>
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