Comments on: Dept. of Strange Ironies http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/10/26/dept-of-strange-ironies/ The blog of the mystery writer, screenwriter and CEO of Pajamas Media Thu, 16 Feb 2012 01:53:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: jerry http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/10/26/dept-of-strange-ironies/#comment-23862 jerry Wed, 27 Oct 2004 22:56:24 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/10/26/dept-of-strange-ironies/#comment-23862 Jeff: Bravo! Sullivan is exhibiting an immature personality. He needs have his lifestyle validated by coercion if necessary. A mature person, totally comfortable with his own sexuality, does not need anything from me or anyone except to be left alone in peace. Jeff:

Bravo! Sullivan is exhibiting an immature personality. He needs have his lifestyle validated by coercion if necessary. A mature person, totally comfortable with his own sexuality, does not need anything from me or anyone except to be left alone in peace.

]]> By: jeff http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/10/26/dept-of-strange-ironies/#comment-23861 jeff Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:27:09 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/10/26/dept-of-strange-ironies/#comment-23861 He tells us he's an Authentic Conservative™ but his cause celebre is arguing that gays will never feel loved or accepted by society until Big Daddy govt bestows upon us the sanctity of marriage. This is boilerplate liberalism, & insulting to me as a homo. Now he's just angling for his old job back at the Times, so he can churn out dreck alongside Dowd & Krugman. Right where he belongs. He tells us he’s an Authentic Conservative™ but his cause celebre is arguing that gays will never feel loved or accepted by society until Big Daddy govt bestows upon us the sanctity of marriage. This is boilerplate liberalism, & insulting to me as a homo.

Now he’s just angling for his old job back at the Times, so he can churn out dreck alongside Dowd & Krugman. Right where he belongs.

]]> By: Knucklehead http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/10/26/dept-of-strange-ironies/#comment-23860 Knucklehead Wed, 27 Oct 2004 17:15:01 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/10/26/dept-of-strange-ironies/#comment-23860 Katherine, Terrye's succinct summation was definitely admirable (and accurate). But just in case anyone would appreciate a more, ummm, detailed and nuanced refutation, click on over to <a href="http://www.lileks.com/bleats/index.html" rel="nofollow">Lileks</a> and scroll on down to <i> Uh oh... Can't STOP SCREED...</i>. Katherine,

Terrye’s succinct summation was definitely admirable (and accurate). But just in case anyone would appreciate a more, ummm, detailed and nuanced refutation, click on over to Lileks and scroll on down to Uh oh… Can’t STOP SCREED….

]]> By: Mark Poling http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/10/26/dept-of-strange-ironies/#comment-23859 Mark Poling Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:31:07 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/10/26/dept-of-strange-ironies/#comment-23859 DtP: <blockquote>Doug also makes a nice point...that Sullivan has, in effect, become that which he once despised...the biased, untruthful and manipulative New York Times.</blockquote> "You want the truth?! You can't <i>handle</i> the truth!" DtP:

Doug also makes a nice point…that Sullivan has, in effect, become that which he once despised…the biased, untruthful and manipulative New York Times.

“You want the truth?! You can’t handle the truth!”

]]> By: David [.net] http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/10/26/dept-of-strange-ironies/#comment-23858 David [.net] Wed, 27 Oct 2004 04:36:50 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/10/26/dept-of-strange-ironies/#comment-23858 Nothing new, just not reported too much: <i>KING: What about the union of gays? </i> <i>G. BUSH: Well, that's up to states, you know. If states choose to do that, in other words, if they want to provide legal protections for gays, that's great.</i> http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0408/12/lkl.00.html Nothing new, just not reported too much:

KING: What about the union of gays?

G. BUSH: Well, that’s up to states, you know. If states choose to do that, in other words, if they want to provide legal protections for gays, that’s great.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0408/12/lkl.00.html

]]> By: Barry Dauphin http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/10/26/dept-of-strange-ironies/#comment-23857 Barry Dauphin Wed, 27 Oct 2004 04:10:08 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/10/26/dept-of-strange-ironies/#comment-23857 One of the ironic aspects of Sullivan's switcheroo is that he complains about terrorists flowing into Iraq after spending months hyping his idea of the flypaper strategy (remember that one). What did he think would happen? Well here they are, Andrew, so this is no time to leave the bunker. Although he used to write so evocatively, it has become apparent that he doesn't believe we are at war, a real war. He says we are, but he can't walk the walk. Thus, Kerry truly is his candidate. Appearances seem to matter to him the most, and he can't stand for things to not look good. Even the first sentence of his TNR column reveals this, as he talks about Bush and Kerry being second tier politicians at a time when we need... Who the hell does he think chose them? He's worried about their cosmic placement on some imagined list of credits. DtP describes him as a coward. I agree. However, I can't tell about how much he wants to be seen at the right parties, but he is afraid of being commited to real war and is afraid of really seeing Iraq and Afghanistan as wars. He is afraid of how it all looks. It was as if the ugliness that is war was profoundly embarassing to him and that his embarassment is the most important thing there is. He's embarrassed that it wasn't a cakewalk and that the enemy actually, you know, intends to fight back. He thoguht they'd just give up and have no cleverness or expertise of their own? If so, then they wouldn't be very dangerous now, would they. This is the deep contradiction for Sullivan and his new friends. He describes the enemy as dangerous but doesn't seem to really believe they are. The "dangerous enemy" is merely a journalistic trope, something he hopes to spin out to some clever line or sentence. We were supposed to just take over Iraq and watch them all swoon at our wonderousness. If we had twice as many troops and possibly twice as many deaths, he'd be saying how stupid Rumsfeld was for not sticking to his original plan. Gee, isn't that something, the enemy actually had a plan of their own. That makes them slightly smarter than Kerry. He only says he has a plan. Well the Iraqi elections will come in January, and they will move further down the road to representative government. They will train more security forces, and we will be leaving in phases. The Iraqis will be getting on their feet and beginning to manage their problems, albeit imperfectly. And while that's happening, the Balkans will still be a mess. Perhaps Andrew will figure out some clever phrase to describe that situation if he lunches with Tom Friedman. To me Sullivan has transformed into MoDo whom he used to grill with relish. Well I guess you are what you eat. One of the ironic aspects of Sullivan’s switcheroo is that he complains about terrorists flowing into Iraq after spending months hyping his idea of the flypaper strategy (remember that one). What did he think would happen? Well here they are, Andrew, so this is no time to leave the bunker.

Although he used to write so evocatively, it has become apparent that he doesn’t believe we are at war, a real war. He says we are, but he can’t walk the walk. Thus, Kerry truly is his candidate. Appearances seem to matter to him the most, and he can’t stand for things to not look good. Even the first sentence of his TNR column reveals this, as he talks about Bush and Kerry being second tier politicians at a time when we need… Who the hell does he think chose them? He’s worried about their cosmic placement on some imagined list of credits.

DtP describes him as a coward. I agree. However, I can’t tell about how much he wants to be seen at the right parties, but he is afraid of being commited to real war and is afraid of really seeing Iraq and Afghanistan as wars. He is afraid of how it all looks. It was as if the ugliness that is war was profoundly embarassing to him and that his embarassment is the most important thing there is. He’s embarrassed that it wasn’t a cakewalk and that the enemy actually, you know, intends to fight back. He thoguht they’d just give up and have no cleverness or expertise of their own? If so, then they wouldn’t be very dangerous now, would they. This is the deep contradiction for Sullivan and his new friends. He describes the enemy as dangerous but doesn’t seem to really believe they are. The “dangerous enemy” is merely a journalistic trope, something he hopes to spin out to some clever line or sentence.

We were supposed to just take over Iraq and watch them all swoon at our wonderousness. If we had twice as many troops and possibly twice as many deaths, he’d be saying how stupid Rumsfeld was for not sticking to his original plan. Gee, isn’t that something, the enemy actually had a plan of their own. That makes them slightly smarter than Kerry. He only says he has a plan.

Well the Iraqi elections will come in January, and they will move further down the road to representative government. They will train more security forces, and we will be leaving in phases. The Iraqis will be getting on their feet and beginning to manage their problems, albeit imperfectly. And while that’s happening, the Balkans will still be a mess. Perhaps Andrew will figure out some clever phrase to describe that situation if he lunches with Tom Friedman.

To me Sullivan has transformed into MoDo whom he used to grill with relish. Well I guess you are what you eat.

]]> By: Royce http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/10/26/dept-of-strange-ironies/#comment-23856 Royce Wed, 27 Oct 2004 03:19:15 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/10/26/dept-of-strange-ironies/#comment-23856 A political pundit named Sullivan Gives a liberal hack a huge mulligan All his hopes he will pin On this tree with a grin An endorsement he may wish to mull again A political pundit named Sullivan

Gives a liberal hack a huge mulligan

All his hopes he will pin

On this tree with a grin

An endorsement he may wish to mull again

]]> By: wu-ping http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/10/26/dept-of-strange-ironies/#comment-23855 wu-ping Wed, 27 Oct 2004 01:49:41 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/10/26/dept-of-strange-ironies/#comment-23855 Roger, One week before the election Bush comes out in favor of civil unions. Are you so delusional that you can't see the whore behind the pander? Why would you, a man of integrity, pimp this act? Why not just call it what it is, a shameless appeal to the log cabin Republicans? Roger,

One week before the election Bush comes out in favor of civil unions. Are you so delusional that you can’t see the whore behind the pander? Why would you, a man of integrity, pimp this act? Why not just call it what it is, a shameless appeal to the log cabin Republicans?

]]> By: jerry http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/10/26/dept-of-strange-ironies/#comment-23854 jerry Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:37:06 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/10/26/dept-of-strange-ironies/#comment-23854 I am going to tackle this non-issue by starting with Sullivan's basic operating premise. "Homosexual is what he is not what he does." The logic of his position ultimately drives him not just to endorse John Kerry but to move to the far left. People who subscribe to the "is" and not "does" [and by no means do all homosexuals subscribe to the "is"] are seeking a radical transformation of society to validate their "is-ness." We say that Sullivan has become a single issue [gay marriage] voter. However, that particular single issue is merely a symbol of radical transformation. What Sullivan wants is to replace what "Queer Theory" calls Hetro-normnativity with Homo-normnativity. Sullivan really wants homosexuality to be elevated above historically normative sexuality. [homosexual exeptionalism vice homosexual rights] So Sullivan endorses Kerry [can't vote for him] not because he hopes Kerry will adopt a more effective GWOT strategy but because of who will come in with Kerry, particularly in the Federal Court system. I also don't buy the argument that things are moving his way on the marriage issue. It is illusory. Yes, young unmarrieds say the support same marriage in theory but as they grow older get married and/or have children then their altitudes become more traditional. Think about it, how many parents would ask a same sex couple look after their same sex child? I think we all know the answer to that one even among liberal parents...very few to none at all. The bottom line is that homosexual exceptionalism can only be enforced through coercive means. Only the left [Democrats] will govern coercively. Just look a Canada. If Homosexuality is what Sullivan is about then he must move to the left wing of the Democratic Party. All the other trappings are simply a self-delusion to ease his transition to the coercive radical left. I am going to tackle this non-issue by starting with Sullivan’s basic operating premise. “Homosexual is what he is not what he does.” The logic of his position ultimately drives him not just to endorse John Kerry but to move to the far left. People who subscribe to the “is” and not “does” [and by no means do all homosexuals subscribe to the "is"] are seeking a radical transformation of society to validate their “is-ness.” We say that Sullivan has become a single issue [gay marriage] voter. However, that particular single issue is merely a symbol of radical transformation. What Sullivan wants is to replace what “Queer Theory” calls Hetro-normnativity with Homo-normnativity. Sullivan really wants homosexuality to be elevated above historically normative sexuality. [homosexual exeptionalism vice homosexual rights] So Sullivan endorses Kerry [can't vote for him] not because he hopes Kerry will adopt a more effective GWOT strategy but because of who will come in with Kerry, particularly in the Federal Court system.

I also don’t buy the argument that things are moving his way on the marriage issue. It is illusory. Yes, young unmarrieds say the support same marriage in theory but as they grow older get married and/or have children then their altitudes become more traditional. Think about it, how many parents would ask a same sex couple look after their same sex child? I think we all know the answer to that one even among liberal parents…very few to none at all.

The bottom line is that homosexual exceptionalism can only be enforced through coercive means. Only the left [Democrats] will govern coercively. Just look a Canada. If Homosexuality is what Sullivan is about then he must move to the left wing of the Democratic Party. All the other trappings are simply a self-delusion to ease his transition to the coercive radical left.

]]> By: Eric Deamer http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/10/26/dept-of-strange-ironies/#comment-23853 Eric Deamer Tue, 26 Oct 2004 22:34:47 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/10/26/dept-of-strange-ironies/#comment-23853 I agree completely with Dennis's analysis. What a long, boring trip it's been with Sully . . . I agree completely with Dennis’s analysis.

What a long, boring trip it’s been with Sully . . .

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