Comments on: Never “Report for Duty” http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/10/13/never-report-for-duty/ The blog of the mystery writer, screenwriter and CEO of Pajamas Media Thu, 16 Feb 2012 02:51:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Mark Poling http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/10/13/never-report-for-duty/#comment-21134 Mark Poling Wed, 13 Oct 2004 23:41:25 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/10/13/never-report-for-duty/#comment-21134 Quite a bit off-topic, but I hope no one misses this: <a href="http://www.nationalreview.com/thecorner/04_10_10_corner-archive.asp#042349" rel="nofollow">Kerry's Diplomatic Skills Demonstrated</a> Oh, I really hope this weasel doesn't get elected. (Actually, I apologize for that last remark. Weasels are honorable animals with vital roles in their habitats.) Quite a bit off-topic, but I hope no one misses this:

Kerry’s Diplomatic Skills Demonstrated

Oh, I really hope this weasel doesn’t get elected.

(Actually, I apologize for that last remark. Weasels are honorable animals with vital roles in their habitats.)

]]> By: jerry http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/10/13/never-report-for-duty/#comment-21133 jerry Wed, 13 Oct 2004 22:16:29 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/10/13/never-report-for-duty/#comment-21133 Terrye: People commonly view there seperation from active duty as a "discharge." It is actually a release from active duty and a transfer either to the ready reserve force or the inactive reserve. When you reached the 12 year point you got released from any form of a military commitment. In the Navy when you left active duty you received your orders from the Chief of Naval Personnel that read released from active duty and transferred to the [in my case] individual ready reserve. At the 6 year point you a received a notification from the Chief of Naval Personnel that you have been transferred to the inactive reserve list; and at 12 years comes the notice that you have been released from the Naval Reserve. Unless you have been drilling it is all a matter of proforma action. Terrye:

People commonly view there seperation from active duty as a “discharge.” It is actually a release from active duty and a transfer either to the ready reserve force or the inactive reserve. When you reached the 12 year point you got released from any form of a military commitment. In the Navy when you left active duty you received your orders from the Chief of Naval Personnel that read released from active duty and transferred to the [in my case] individual ready reserve. At the 6 year point you a received a notification from the Chief of Naval Personnel that you have been transferred to the inactive reserve list; and at 12 years comes the notice that you have been released from the Naval Reserve. Unless you have been drilling it is all a matter of proforma action.

]]> By: Terrye http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/10/13/never-report-for-duty/#comment-21132 Terrye Wed, 13 Oct 2004 21:27:38 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/10/13/never-report-for-duty/#comment-21132 Kerry should release the records and be done with it. Jerry, you know a lot more about this than I do but I know a lot of guys who were in the service at the time and the only ones that did 12 years were career and spent a great deal of that time on a base somewhere. I just ask Gale and he got his discharge from the US army when his original time was fulfilled. They let him know they could call him back if and when they felt like it for the next 6 years but they gave him a discharge then and there. So I don't know. I don't know if there is anythng to this or not but I would say it bears as much scrutiny as the whole assinine AWOL nonsense. Kerry should release the records and be done with it.

Jerry, you know a lot more about this than I do but I know a lot of guys who were in the service at the time and the only ones that did 12 years were career and spent a great deal of that time on a base somewhere. I just ask Gale and he got his discharge from the US army when his original time was fulfilled. They let him know they could call him back if and when they felt like it for the next 6 years but they gave him a discharge then and there. So I don’t know.

I don’t know if there is anythng to this or not but I would say it bears as much scrutiny as the whole assinine AWOL nonsense.

]]> By: jerry http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/10/13/never-report-for-duty/#comment-21131 jerry Wed, 13 Oct 2004 20:50:37 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/10/13/never-report-for-duty/#comment-21131 When I read this story I was extremely skeptical. At the time of Kerry's service your commitment was a combination 6 years active duty/drilling or Individual Ready Reserve and 6 years retained on the inactive reserve list. Since Kerry had served in Vietnam he was exempt from the drilling/IR Reserve commitment. However he still had a total of 12 years Active/active reserve/inactive reserve commitment. He received his release from obligation at the right time. Let's not get carried away into Michael Moore land because we can't stand the guy. When I read this story I was extremely skeptical. At the time of Kerry’s service your commitment was a combination 6 years active duty/drilling or Individual Ready Reserve and 6 years retained on the inactive reserve list. Since Kerry had served in Vietnam he was exempt from the drilling/IR Reserve commitment. However he still had a total of 12 years Active/active reserve/inactive reserve commitment. He received his release from obligation at the right time.

Let’s not get carried away into Michael Moore land because we can’t stand the guy.

]]> By: Jim in Texas http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/10/13/never-report-for-duty/#comment-21130 Jim in Texas Wed, 13 Oct 2004 20:39:34 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/10/13/never-report-for-duty/#comment-21130 I recall a press report Bush signed a SF 180 in Feb this year after the furor over Bush's records began, but I don't have time to Goggle it for confirmation I recall a press report Bush signed a SF 180 in Feb this year after the furor over Bush’s records began, but I don’t have time to Goggle it for confirmation

]]> By: Blue State Conservative http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/10/13/never-report-for-duty/#comment-21129 Blue State Conservative Wed, 13 Oct 2004 20:22:15 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/10/13/never-report-for-duty/#comment-21129 Has Bush signed a Form 180? I know he has released documents. In any event, I think Kerry opened himself up for this given how he made his military service central to his campaign. Also, his surrogates (either with or without his knowledge) made a big deal about "Bush AWOL". Has Bush signed a Form 180? I know he has released documents.

In any event, I think Kerry opened himself up for this given how he made his military service central to his campaign. Also, his surrogates (either with or without his knowledge) made a big deal about “Bush AWOL”.

]]> By: Jim in Texas http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/10/13/never-report-for-duty/#comment-21128 Jim in Texas Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:31:33 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/10/13/never-report-for-duty/#comment-21128 <i>"But when a dishonorable discharge is issued, all pay benefits, and allowances, and all medals and honors are revoked as well. And five months after Mr. Kerry joined the U.S. Senate in 1985, on one single day, June 4, all of Mr. Kerry's medals were reissued." I'm certainly not a Kerry fan but this is just wrong, factually and morally. 1. Officers don't receive Bad Conduct Discharge (BCD) or a Dishonorable Discharge (DD) 2. The equivalent for an officer convicted by courts-martial would be Dismissal which would be interpreted as a Dishonorable Discharge or a felony conviction IAW the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ), Dishonorable Discharges can only be "issued" as a result of conviction by General Courts-Martial. Both Special Courts-Martial and General Courts-Martials can hand out Bad Conduct Discharges. Only General Courts-Martials and Special Courts-Martial s can hand out punitive discharges General Courts-Martials are serious business and convened for serious crimes such as murder and rape. Convictions by courts-martials are almost never overturned and certainly aren't overturned by a "board of officers." Results of Courts-martials are also public record; if he'd been tried the transcript of the trial would be available to the public regardless of his desire to withhold it. Kerry might have received a "Under Other Than Honorable Conditions" discharge (UOTHC) and later applied for a discharge certificate upgrade through the US Navy?s Board of Military Records Review. The records of those hearings would not have been releasable without Kerry?s permission. I personally think someone in the Clinton camp is playing the press like a maestro </i> “But when a dishonorable discharge is issued, all pay benefits, and allowances, and all medals and honors are revoked as well. And five months after Mr. Kerry joined the U.S. Senate in 1985, on one single day, June 4, all of Mr. Kerry’s medals were reissued.”

I’m certainly not a Kerry fan but this is just wrong, factually and morally.

1. Officers don’t receive Bad Conduct Discharge (BCD) or a Dishonorable Discharge (DD)

2. The equivalent for an officer convicted by courts-martial would be Dismissal which would be interpreted as a Dishonorable Discharge or a felony conviction

IAW the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ), Dishonorable Discharges can only be “issued” as a result of conviction by General Courts-Martial.

Both Special Courts-Martial and General Courts-Martials can hand out Bad Conduct Discharges. Only General Courts-Martials and Special Courts-Martial s can hand out punitive discharges

General Courts-Martials are serious business and convened for serious crimes such as murder and rape.

Convictions by courts-martials are almost never overturned and certainly aren’t overturned by a “board of officers.”

Results of Courts-martials are also public record; if he’d been tried the transcript of the trial would be available to the public regardless of his desire to withhold it.

Kerry might have received a “Under Other Than Honorable Conditions” discharge (UOTHC) and later applied for a discharge certificate upgrade through the US Navy?s Board of Military Records Review.

The records of those hearings would not have been releasable without Kerry?s permission.

I personally think someone in the Clinton camp is playing the press like a maestro

]]> By: gb_in_ga http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/10/13/never-report-for-duty/#comment-21127 gb_in_ga Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:10:46 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/10/13/never-report-for-duty/#comment-21127 WichitaBoy: I'd say that the demands have already been made, and he's heard them and chosen not to act. That, IMHO, is an implied plea of "GUILTY"! This isn't a court of law, but the court of public opinion, so the 5th amendment doesn't apply, and I don't have to presume innocence. I'm not holding my breath waiting on an actual reply from him, since I do believe that we already have it. Especially when he could so easily put this whole matter to bed by JUST SIGNING THE FORM! WichitaBoy:

I’d say that the demands have already been made, and he’s heard them and chosen not to act. That, IMHO, is an implied plea of “GUILTY”! This isn’t a court of law, but the court of public opinion, so the 5th amendment doesn’t apply, and I don’t have to presume innocence. I’m not holding my breath waiting on an actual reply from him, since I do believe that we already have it.

Especially when he could so easily put this whole matter to bed by JUST SIGNING THE FORM!

]]> By: WichitaBoy http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/10/13/never-report-for-duty/#comment-21126 WichitaBoy Wed, 13 Oct 2004 18:43:49 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/10/13/never-report-for-duty/#comment-21126 What does the war hero have to fear? Release the records! Demand that Kerry sign Form 180. What does the war hero have to fear? Release the records! Demand that Kerry sign Form 180.

]]> By: Silicon valley Jim http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/10/13/never-report-for-duty/#comment-21125 Silicon valley Jim Wed, 13 Oct 2004 18:03:03 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/10/13/never-report-for-duty/#comment-21125 I hope things turn out well for you at the eye doctor. As for the Senator, I'm withholding judgment. This could be something trivial, or it could be something very big. I'm hoping for the latter, but, since I'm not a network news anchor, I'm waiting until all the evidence is in. I hope things turn out well for you at the eye doctor.

As for the Senator, I’m withholding judgment. This could be something trivial, or it could be something very big. I’m hoping for the latter, but, since I’m not a network news anchor, I’m waiting until all the evidence is in.

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