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		<title>By: Tom O'Bedlam</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/09/11/911-enough-lying/#comment-13998</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom O'Bedlam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Sep 2004 03:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Socalgal:



That was a jaw-dropping link.  Such self-absorption is stunning.  I&#039;m boggled.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Socalgal:</p>
<p>That was a jaw-dropping link.  Such self-absorption is stunning.  I&#8217;m boggled.</p>
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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/09/11/911-enough-lying/#comment-13997</link>
		<dc:creator>Terrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Sep 2004 22:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Today I was at a client&#039;s home and he had Fox on. There was Al Sharpton calling Bush a liar while the names of the dead were being read in the background.



Ralph, how does it make you feel to know that thousands of your fellow Americans died so that a fat multi millionaire proagandist could make millions off their death by mutilation? And did the Democrats who care so much about the deaths of the innocent turn their back on him?



Hell no.



Ralph today is a day to show respect for the dead, so buzz off.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today I was at a client&#8217;s home and he had Fox on. There was Al Sharpton calling Bush a liar while the names of the dead were being read in the background.</p>
<p>Ralph, how does it make you feel to know that thousands of your fellow Americans died so that a fat multi millionaire proagandist could make millions off their death by mutilation? And did the Democrats who care so much about the deaths of the innocent turn their back on him?</p>
<p>Hell no.</p>
<p>Ralph today is a day to show respect for the dead, so buzz off.</p>
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		<title>By: devildog</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/09/11/911-enough-lying/#comment-13996</link>
		<dc:creator>devildog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Sep 2004 21:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of liars and lying, Elaine Kamarck is explaining how &quot;...it doesn&#039;t change the fact that the American people want to know what George Bush was doing [when he was in the TANG].&quot;



Jeez, the Dems got nothing to campaign on.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of liars and lying, Elaine Kamarck is explaining how &#8220;&#8230;it doesn&#8217;t change the fact that the American people want to know what George Bush was doing [when he was in the TANG].&#8221;</p>
<p>Jeez, the Dems got nothing to campaign on.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Poling</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/09/11/911-enough-lying/#comment-13995</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Poling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Sep 2004 21:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the Dems gameplan is this:



&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/104-9407978-1062360&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;By Any Means Necessary&quot;&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the Dems gameplan is this:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/104-9407978-1062360" rel="nofollow">&#8220;By Any Means Necessary&#8221;</a></p>
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		<title>By: Occam's Beard</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/09/11/911-enough-lying/#comment-13994</link>
		<dc:creator>Occam's Beard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Sep 2004 20:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;...a war against an country that had nothing to do with the attacks against us...&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Japan bombs Pearl Harbor, we invade North Africa. What was FDR thinking?



The point is apposite: he viewed fascism in Japan, Italy, and Germany as merely facets of a worldwide malevolent phenomenon, and chose to attack at the strategically indicated weak spot first.



Same reasoning now.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;&#8230;a war against an country that had nothing to do with the attacks against us&#8230;&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Japan bombs Pearl Harbor, we invade North Africa. What was FDR thinking?</p>
<p>The point is apposite: he viewed fascism in Japan, Italy, and Germany as merely facets of a worldwide malevolent phenomenon, and chose to attack at the strategically indicated weak spot first.</p>
<p>Same reasoning now.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Bob</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/09/11/911-enough-lying/#comment-13993</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Sep 2004 20:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roger nailed it: the current Democratic party is driven by its convicition that it holds a higher truth. Lies, deception and logical incongruity pose no problem when you have greater knowledge and wisdom.



For a more detailed discussion of the Gnostic characteristics of the Left today see a discussion at &lt;strong&gt;The Doctor is In&lt;/strong&gt;:



&lt;a&gt; Liberalism &amp; Gnosticism&lt;/a&gt;




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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger nailed it: the current Democratic party is driven by its convicition that it holds a higher truth. Lies, deception and logical incongruity pose no problem when you have greater knowledge and wisdom.</p>
<p>For a more detailed discussion of the Gnostic characteristics of the Left today see a discussion at <strong>The Doctor is In</strong>:</p>
<p><a> Liberalism &amp; Gnosticism</a></p>
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		<title>By: socalgal</title>
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		<dc:creator>socalgal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Sep 2004 19:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also watched that video linked on Instapundit. Very powerful. It occured to me that this year, three years later, my response has fully moved from unbelieving, numb shock to grief. How much longer it will be before it doesn&#039;t have a gut-wrenching effect to remember, I can&#039;t imagine at this point.



I would like to remind everyone, as incomprehensible as it is, that THIS is the face of the far left in America (via LGF):



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&amp;address=104x2337818



That is the face of those who wanted to elect Howard Dean and, since they can&#039;t, are supporting their party&#039;s golem, John Kerry.



Honestly, I don&#039;t think I really believed that there were people in this day and age who were so completely without reason or simple decency. The visciousness; the hate; it&#039;s beyond my understanding. I apologize in advance for the discomfort it causes.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also watched that video linked on Instapundit. Very powerful. It occured to me that this year, three years later, my response has fully moved from unbelieving, numb shock to grief. How much longer it will be before it doesn&#8217;t have a gut-wrenching effect to remember, I can&#8217;t imagine at this point.</p>
<p>I would like to remind everyone, as incomprehensible as it is, that THIS is the face of the far left in America (via LGF):</p>
<p><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&#038;address=104x2337818" rel="nofollow">http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&#038;address=104&#215;2337818</a></p>
<p>That is the face of those who wanted to elect Howard Dean and, since they can&#8217;t, are supporting their party&#8217;s golem, John Kerry.</p>
<p>Honestly, I don&#8217;t think I really believed that there were people in this day and age who were so completely without reason or simple decency. The visciousness; the hate; it&#8217;s beyond my understanding. I apologize in advance for the discomfort it causes.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Ward</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/09/11/911-enough-lying/#comment-13991</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Sep 2004 18:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;in order to justify a war against an country that had nothing to do with the attacks against us, sending in the process another 1000 (and counting) brave Americans to their deaths,&quot;



Ralph, just read this,like I read your thoughts.



After an attack by terrorists who showed that they were willing to kill as many civilians as possible and didn&#039;t mind dying in the process, many people (including the Bush administration) said, &quot;My God, what would happen if these people had a nuclear bomb (or smallpox or nerve gas)?&quot;



Bush et. al. looked out over the post-911 landscape and asked, &quot;What country is headed by a ferociously anti-American dictator who the French, the UN, and Bill Clinton all agree has many of these weapons and has used them in the past against his enemies, both internal and external?&quot;



Then Bush et. al. asked themselves some more questions:



1. &quot;Is it possible that Saddam Hussein could hand off these weapons to those same terrorists who have stated as their aim the murder of millions of American civilians? After all, what a great way for Saddam to strike back incognito at the country that foiled his attempt to make Kuwait part of Iraq.&quot;



2. &quot;Is it possible that a decade-old containment approach will fall apart soon since the French, Russians, and Jordanians who are quite openly violating its provisions are calling for the lifting of economic sanctions? And isn&#039;t it possible that after the sanctions are completely gone, Saddam would begin to update his weapons of mass destruction, making it easier for him to hand over WMD to those terrorists who want to kill millions of American civilians?&quot;



And here&#039;s where the thinking went beyond the merely defensive into the realm of long-term solutions.



Bush et. al. thought, &quot;People often say to forestall these terrorists who want to kill millions of American civilians, we Americans have to look at root causes. Maybe the biggest root cause of them all, which explains the economic/social/political/cultural/sexual dysfunctionality of the Arab world, is their lack of democratic, representative government? What if we went into a country smack center in the middle of the Arab world, toppled their dictator who is already a problem for the reasons detailed above and laid the groundwork for a democratic culture?&quot;



Naive perhaps? But it&#039;s a bold plan which traces its genesis back to those same quite rational fears many people had three years ago when they asked themselves: &quot;Oh my God, what will these terrorists do if they get their hands on a city-destroying WMD?&quot;


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;in order to justify a war against an country that had nothing to do with the attacks against us, sending in the process another 1000 (and counting) brave Americans to their deaths,&#8221;</p>
<p>Ralph, just read this,like I read your thoughts.</p>
<p>After an attack by terrorists who showed that they were willing to kill as many civilians as possible and didn&#8217;t mind dying in the process, many people (including the Bush administration) said, &#8220;My God, what would happen if these people had a nuclear bomb (or smallpox or nerve gas)?&#8221;</p>
<p>Bush et. al. looked out over the post-911 landscape and asked, &#8220;What country is headed by a ferociously anti-American dictator who the French, the UN, and Bill Clinton all agree has many of these weapons and has used them in the past against his enemies, both internal and external?&#8221;</p>
<p>Then Bush et. al. asked themselves some more questions:</p>
<p>1. &#8220;Is it possible that Saddam Hussein could hand off these weapons to those same terrorists who have stated as their aim the murder of millions of American civilians? After all, what a great way for Saddam to strike back incognito at the country that foiled his attempt to make Kuwait part of Iraq.&#8221;</p>
<p>2. &#8220;Is it possible that a decade-old containment approach will fall apart soon since the French, Russians, and Jordanians who are quite openly violating its provisions are calling for the lifting of economic sanctions? And isn&#8217;t it possible that after the sanctions are completely gone, Saddam would begin to update his weapons of mass destruction, making it easier for him to hand over WMD to those terrorists who want to kill millions of American civilians?&#8221;</p>
<p>And here&#8217;s where the thinking went beyond the merely defensive into the realm of long-term solutions.</p>
<p>Bush et. al. thought, &#8220;People often say to forestall these terrorists who want to kill millions of American civilians, we Americans have to look at root causes. Maybe the biggest root cause of them all, which explains the economic/social/political/cultural/sexual dysfunctionality of the Arab world, is their lack of democratic, representative government? What if we went into a country smack center in the middle of the Arab world, toppled their dictator who is already a problem for the reasons detailed above and laid the groundwork for a democratic culture?&#8221;</p>
<p>Naive perhaps? But it&#8217;s a bold plan which traces its genesis back to those same quite rational fears many people had three years ago when they asked themselves: &#8220;Oh my God, what will these terrorists do if they get their hands on a city-destroying WMD?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: penwil</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/09/11/911-enough-lying/#comment-13990</link>
		<dc:creator>penwil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Sep 2004 17:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact that CBS deliberately lied to Hodges, telling him that the documents had been handwritten, in order to get him to corroborate their authenticity  tells me that either CBS knew all along that their &quot;source&quot; had given them forgeries, or that they were instrumental or complicent in creating the forgeries in the first place.   There would have been no reason for them to lie to Hodges otherwise.



Reasonable people can&#039;t help but conclude that Dan Rather and CBS have conspired with the DNC and the Kerry campaign to commit fraud upon the public airways by forging documents that smear the character of the President of United States.  This is reprehensible, despicable, disgusting and possibly criminal.  Reasonable people must also conclude that if John Kerry is elected he and his henchmen in the media have the will and the ability to lie to us at any time about anything.



Meanwhile, let us remember that on Sept 11, 2001 3000 of our fellow Americans were murdered by Islamic terrorists because they represented the ideals of freedom, including the freedom of the press of which Dan Rather, CBS, the Democratic party, John Kerry and John Edwards so willfully trampled in the mud these last few days.   Since 9/11, that day of infamy, over 1000 men and women in our armed forces have also died protecting the freedoms that Rather and his despicable &quot;band of brothers&quot; felt no compunction in betraying.



I watched the 9/11 video linked to by Instapundit and although it takes a long time to load, I highly recommend it.  It was very hard to watch, though.  I was sobbing out loud in parts of it, but I have come away resolved.  We cannot forget.  We cannot surrender.




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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that CBS deliberately lied to Hodges, telling him that the documents had been handwritten, in order to get him to corroborate their authenticity  tells me that either CBS knew all along that their &#8220;source&#8221; had given them forgeries, or that they were instrumental or complicent in creating the forgeries in the first place.   There would have been no reason for them to lie to Hodges otherwise.</p>
<p>Reasonable people can&#8217;t help but conclude that Dan Rather and CBS have conspired with the DNC and the Kerry campaign to commit fraud upon the public airways by forging documents that smear the character of the President of United States.  This is reprehensible, despicable, disgusting and possibly criminal.  Reasonable people must also conclude that if John Kerry is elected he and his henchmen in the media have the will and the ability to lie to us at any time about anything.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, let us remember that on Sept 11, 2001 3000 of our fellow Americans were murdered by Islamic terrorists because they represented the ideals of freedom, including the freedom of the press of which Dan Rather, CBS, the Democratic party, John Kerry and John Edwards so willfully trampled in the mud these last few days.   Since 9/11, that day of infamy, over 1000 men and women in our armed forces have also died protecting the freedoms that Rather and his despicable &#8220;band of brothers&#8221; felt no compunction in betraying.</p>
<p>I watched the 9/11 video linked to by Instapundit and although it takes a long time to load, I highly recommend it.  It was very hard to watch, though.  I was sobbing out loud in parts of it, but I have come away resolved.  We cannot forget.  We cannot surrender.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Vee</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/09/11/911-enough-lying/#comment-13989</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr Vee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Sep 2004 16:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phillip Bouffard who was used in the Boston Globe to imply that he backed up the documents&#039; authenticity is right pissed:



http://www.indcjournal.com/



&quot;What the Boston Globe did now sort of pisses me off, because now I have people calling me and e-mailing me, and calling me names, saying that I changed my mind. I did not change my mind at all!&quot;



&quot;We&#039;ve looked into more and more IBM options and ... there are all kinds of things that say this isn&#039;t a typewriter.&quot;



Am I the only one who finds all of this rather serious stuff? I mean forgery in an attempt to influence the outcome of a presidential election is a diabolically base thing to do. And for the rest of the MSM to try and whitewash it because their ideological peers are on the horns for it goes well past unethical.



If this document came from the DNC, my guess is that they could very well be subject to a RICO lawsuit. This would cede WAY too much power to the Republicans until a new opposition party (or a reconstituted Democratic party) could be organized. I ain&#039;t all that thrilled with many of the Republicans&#039; ideas to have them govern unopposed.



The &quot;preponderance of the evidence&quot; on this is that these are forgeries until they can produce a single document of Killian&#039;s from an established source with this exact typography (font, spacing, etc).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phillip Bouffard who was used in the Boston Globe to imply that he backed up the documents&#8217; authenticity is right pissed:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.indcjournal.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.indcjournal.com/</a></p>
<p>&#8220;What the Boston Globe did now sort of pisses me off, because now I have people calling me and e-mailing me, and calling me names, saying that I changed my mind. I did not change my mind at all!&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;We&#8217;ve looked into more and more IBM options and &#8230; there are all kinds of things that say this isn&#8217;t a typewriter.&#8221;</p>
<p>Am I the only one who finds all of this rather serious stuff? I mean forgery in an attempt to influence the outcome of a presidential election is a diabolically base thing to do. And for the rest of the MSM to try and whitewash it because their ideological peers are on the horns for it goes well past unethical.</p>
<p>If this document came from the DNC, my guess is that they could very well be subject to a RICO lawsuit. This would cede WAY too much power to the Republicans until a new opposition party (or a reconstituted Democratic party) could be organized. I ain&#8217;t all that thrilled with many of the Republicans&#8217; ideas to have them govern unopposed.</p>
<p>The &#8220;preponderance of the evidence&#8221; on this is that these are forgeries until they can produce a single document of Killian&#8217;s from an established source with this exact typography (font, spacing, etc).</p>
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