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		<title>By: JimmyH</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/09/06/the-israeli-press-on-beslan/#comment-12767</link>
		<dc:creator>JimmyH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2004 18:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just one note.  No sane American or Israeli should offer the least bit of sympathy for terrorists, terrorism, or even any single part of a culture that encourages terrorism.  You are all right: the Islamists are way, way wrong.



But that does not make everything about Islam wrong, nor does it give you free hand to implement whatever war on terrorism you see fit, and nor does it excuse the  already commited transgressions of America and Israel (even if these transgressions are admittedly small, and we still agree that Israel and America are still, overall, two great and good nations).



The problem is that just like you can point out clear wrongs committed by Islam, the rest of the world can point out clear atrocities commited by America- in Guatemala, Chile, Panama, Vietnam, Abu Gharib, and countless thousands of others, including against our own citizens.  So it is very easy for another nation to say, just as you are saying about Islam, that America is clearly evil (because we cleary are), and therefore any violence against America is authorized.  Do you see how this is an escalating cycle of violence that will never end?  We know that America is not ALL evil, so we need to convince other nations and cultures to see past our few blunders, and recognize our overall goodness. If we cannot convince them to see our goodness, they will hate us, and feel justified.  Similarly, we need to look at Muslim culture as a whole, and see past the very small percentage of extremists and terrorists, or we will hate them, and feel justified.  We must instead target muslim terrorists, and muslim terrorism, while loving muslim culture, and the goodness of our muslim friends.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just one note.  No sane American or Israeli should offer the least bit of sympathy for terrorists, terrorism, or even any single part of a culture that encourages terrorism.  You are all right: the Islamists are way, way wrong.</p>
<p>But that does not make everything about Islam wrong, nor does it give you free hand to implement whatever war on terrorism you see fit, and nor does it excuse the  already commited transgressions of America and Israel (even if these transgressions are admittedly small, and we still agree that Israel and America are still, overall, two great and good nations).</p>
<p>The problem is that just like you can point out clear wrongs committed by Islam, the rest of the world can point out clear atrocities commited by America- in Guatemala, Chile, Panama, Vietnam, Abu Gharib, and countless thousands of others, including against our own citizens.  So it is very easy for another nation to say, just as you are saying about Islam, that America is clearly evil (because we cleary are), and therefore any violence against America is authorized.  Do you see how this is an escalating cycle of violence that will never end?  We know that America is not ALL evil, so we need to convince other nations and cultures to see past our few blunders, and recognize our overall goodness. If we cannot convince them to see our goodness, they will hate us, and feel justified.  Similarly, we need to look at Muslim culture as a whole, and see past the very small percentage of extremists and terrorists, or we will hate them, and feel justified.  We must instead target muslim terrorists, and muslim terrorism, while loving muslim culture, and the goodness of our muslim friends.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2004 02:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Thomson:



The Islamo-Fascists are open for negotiation. Here are their terms. Elimination of Israel and the remaining Jews. They may keep a few around, they do come in handy now and then. Taliban style governments across the Arab and Persian world. By the way that includes Spain, er, excuse me, Andalusia.The dhimmi laws to be put in place anywhere a large population of Muslims live.Don&#039;t let anyone say that they are without terms for negotiation.Just as Hitler spelled out his goals in Mein Kampf the radical Muslims have spelled out their goals in sermons and government pronouncements for the last 30 years. The fact that the liberal,er, excuse me, progressive elements of our society want to bury their heads in the sand does not make it untrue. As far as the suprise many pundits seem to show everytime a new batch of innocent non combatants are intentionally picked as targets  they are just fooling themselves. What happenned in Russia will continue to happen worldwide because that is SOP. This is not an aberration. They will continue to do this until they are killed. They do not have a fall back position on their terms of surrender. They combine the worst aspects of Imperialism with the religous crusades. The sensitive approach will not work. If the &quot;moderate &quot; Muslims won&#039;t clean up this toxic waste we need to do it for them. If they see this as western arrogance then they must spell out how the will stop it. We have waited too long for their answer. If they won&#039;t do it we have to. Because 9-11 signaled that we are on the hit list too. We can&#039;t continue to accept their condolences when they turn around and give these animals the money and the training grounds to continue their operations.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Thomson:</p>
<p>The Islamo-Fascists are open for negotiation. Here are their terms. Elimination of Israel and the remaining Jews. They may keep a few around, they do come in handy now and then. Taliban style governments across the Arab and Persian world. By the way that includes Spain, er, excuse me, Andalusia.The dhimmi laws to be put in place anywhere a large population of Muslims live.Don&#8217;t let anyone say that they are without terms for negotiation.Just as Hitler spelled out his goals in Mein Kampf the radical Muslims have spelled out their goals in sermons and government pronouncements for the last 30 years. The fact that the liberal,er, excuse me, progressive elements of our society want to bury their heads in the sand does not make it untrue. As far as the suprise many pundits seem to show everytime a new batch of innocent non combatants are intentionally picked as targets  they are just fooling themselves. What happenned in Russia will continue to happen worldwide because that is SOP. This is not an aberration. They will continue to do this until they are killed. They do not have a fall back position on their terms of surrender. They combine the worst aspects of Imperialism with the religous crusades. The sensitive approach will not work. If the &#8220;moderate &#8221; Muslims won&#8217;t clean up this toxic waste we need to do it for them. If they see this as western arrogance then they must spell out how the will stop it. We have waited too long for their answer. If they won&#8217;t do it we have to. Because 9-11 signaled that we are on the hit list too. We can&#8217;t continue to accept their condolences when they turn around and give these animals the money and the training grounds to continue their operations.</p>
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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/09/06/the-israeli-press-on-beslan/#comment-12765</link>
		<dc:creator>Terrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2004 23:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read Allison. I wish they could rebuild that school and name it after that teacher.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read Allison. I wish they could rebuild that school and name it after that teacher.</p>
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		<title>By: David Thomson</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Thomson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2004 22:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ìThey have been there and people will blame the Russians the same way they blamed the Jews.î



The liberal establishment must blame the Israelis and the Russians for their misfortune.  Not to do so would result in the awful realization that the war on terror is for real.  Utopian Liberals prefer to believe that the Islamic nihilists are open to negotiation; we simply havenít offered them suitable terms.  The moment they concede that Israel hasnít anything to really do with Islamic rage will be existentially unsettling.  These liberals will suffer a harrowing dark night of the soul.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ìThey have been there and people will blame the Russians the same way they blamed the Jews.î</p>
<p>The liberal establishment must blame the Israelis and the Russians for their misfortune.  Not to do so would result in the awful realization that the war on terror is for real.  Utopian Liberals prefer to believe that the Islamic nihilists are open to negotiation; we simply havenít offered them suitable terms.  The moment they concede that Israel hasnít anything to really do with Islamic rage will be existentially unsettling.  These liberals will suffer a harrowing dark night of the soul.</p>
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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2004 18:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well the Israelis understand how the people of Breslan feel. They have been there and people will blame the Russians the same way they blamed the Jews.



It is obscene.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well the Israelis understand how the people of Breslan feel. They have been there and people will blame the Russians the same way they blamed the Jews.</p>
<p>It is obscene.</p>
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		<title>By: David Thomson</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Thomson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2004 15:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ìThe Horror  that could  come to you neighborhood  if we don&#039;t get past our stupid arguments about to whether or how to proceed in the war against IslamoFascism.î



Nope, you are not being sufficiently blunt.  You are leaving something out.  One also needs to candidly admit that Israel has nothing to do with the rage of the Muslim culture.  This country is merely a scapegoat of people angry and frustrated with a world which has passed them by.  These folks would have to invent Israel if it did not already exist.  Please read Bernard Lewis and throw out the works by Edward Said.  The John Kerry campaign is pervaded by the silly notion that most of the violence of the Islamic nihilists is due to Israelís alleged mistreatment of the Palestinians.  This is one of the central reasons why a Kerry presidency would be a tragedy.  The people around him simply fail to comprehend the true nature of today&#039;s worldwide threat.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ìThe Horror  that could  come to you neighborhood  if we don&#8217;t get past our stupid arguments about to whether or how to proceed in the war against IslamoFascism.î</p>
<p>Nope, you are not being sufficiently blunt.  You are leaving something out.  One also needs to candidly admit that Israel has nothing to do with the rage of the Muslim culture.  This country is merely a scapegoat of people angry and frustrated with a world which has passed them by.  These folks would have to invent Israel if it did not already exist.  Please read Bernard Lewis and throw out the works by Edward Said.  The John Kerry campaign is pervaded by the silly notion that most of the violence of the Islamic nihilists is due to Israelís alleged mistreatment of the Palestinians.  This is one of the central reasons why a Kerry presidency would be a tragedy.  The people around him simply fail to comprehend the true nature of today&#8217;s worldwide threat.</p>
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		<title>By: jdwill</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/09/06/the-israeli-press-on-beslan/#comment-12761</link>
		<dc:creator>jdwill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2004 15:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/05/international/europe/05CND-SCHO.html?hp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; The Horror &lt;/a&gt; that could &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,10677436^7583,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; come to you neighborhood &lt;/a&gt; if we don&#039;t get past our stupid arguments about to whether or how to proceed in the war against IslamoFascism. I watched Professor Mary Habeck on C-Span in August saying that we simply need to take the Islamofascists (her term Islamists and Jihadis) at their word. Read their websites and fatwas and you will understand that this is a expansionist totalitarian movement with bloodthirstiness enough to make communism blush.



&lt;blockquote&gt;The flesh and hair and bits of bone of the female suicide bombers were splattered along the ceilings and walls of a classroom on the first floor. The remains of another suicide bomber coated the corridor near the cafeteria.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;Townspeople picked their way through its mess and odor with shirts pulled over their noses.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;Here incongruity was the norm. New badminton rackets were bundled together among the dust and debris, as were an assortment of brightly colored jump ropes.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;In the second-story assembly hall, located in a corner of the building where the militants had held out almost into Friday night, the floor was ruined by the seven shrapnel-pocked craters that marked the explosion of grenades, presumably thrown into the room as Russian soldiers cleared the last pockets of resistance room by room.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;On the auditorium&#039;s stage a large cut-out display read &quot;Happy Holiday.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;On the wall of a classroom opposite a suicide bomber&#039;s grisly remains were signs for basic arithmetic.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;4+2=6,&quot; read one. &quot;6-2=4.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;A strip of the woman&#039;s scalp was curled on a nearby desk.&lt;/blockquote&gt;


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/05/international/europe/05CND-SCHO.html?hp" rel="nofollow"> The Horror </a> that could <a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,10677436^7583,00.html" rel="nofollow"> come to you neighborhood </a> if we don&#8217;t get past our stupid arguments about to whether or how to proceed in the war against IslamoFascism. I watched Professor Mary Habeck on C-Span in August saying that we simply need to take the Islamofascists (her term Islamists and Jihadis) at their word. Read their websites and fatwas and you will understand that this is a expansionist totalitarian movement with bloodthirstiness enough to make communism blush.</p>
<blockquote><p>The flesh and hair and bits of bone of the female suicide bombers were splattered along the ceilings and walls of a classroom on the first floor. The remains of another suicide bomber coated the corridor near the cafeteria.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>Townspeople picked their way through its mess and odor with shirts pulled over their noses.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>Here incongruity was the norm. New badminton rackets were bundled together among the dust and debris, as were an assortment of brightly colored jump ropes.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>In the second-story assembly hall, located in a corner of the building where the militants had held out almost into Friday night, the floor was ruined by the seven shrapnel-pocked craters that marked the explosion of grenades, presumably thrown into the room as Russian soldiers cleared the last pockets of resistance room by room.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>On the auditorium&#8217;s stage a large cut-out display read &#8220;Happy Holiday.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>On the wall of a classroom opposite a suicide bomber&#8217;s grisly remains were signs for basic arithmetic.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;4+2=6,&#8221; read one. &#8220;6-2=4.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>A strip of the woman&#8217;s scalp was curled on a nearby desk.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: maria horvath</title>
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		<dc:creator>maria horvath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2004 15:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michelle Malkin has some excellent links to this story that provide context and background.



http://michellemalkin.com/archives/000480.htm



Be forewarned: the &quot;sophie&#039;s choice&quot; articles are heartwrenching.






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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michelle Malkin has some excellent links to this story that provide context and background.</p>
<p><a href="http://michellemalkin.com/archives/000480.htm" rel="nofollow">http://michellemalkin.com/archives/000480.htm</a></p>
<p>Be forewarned: the &#8220;sophie&#8217;s choice&#8221; articles are heartwrenching.</p>
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