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		<title>By: TmjUtah</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/08/23/ive-been-practicing/#comment-9096</link>
		<dc:creator>TmjUtah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2004 22:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom Hollsinger -



After a cursory search, I can&#039;t find anything on other-than-audible-discomfort sonic weapons near ready for deployment.



The pulse wave generators sound fascinating, but not nearly non-lethal.  Kind of like a concussion grenade you point, from what I understand.  The Ultra Low Wave stuff is too imperfect at this time as well.
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<p>After a cursory search, I can&#8217;t find anything on other-than-audible-discomfort sonic weapons near ready for deployment.</p>
<p>The pulse wave generators sound fascinating, but not nearly non-lethal.  Kind of like a concussion grenade you point, from what I understand.  The Ultra Low Wave stuff is too imperfect at this time as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Holsinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Holsinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2004 18:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TmjUtah,



My understanding of how low-frequency sonic crowd control devices work is that they hit particular resonant frequencies for specific muscles.  My recollection from first reading of these 30-35 years ago is that this was discovered in a French lab with a device which broadcast at (I think) seven cycles a second, which happened to be the frequency used by human muscles in vibrating to create body heat.  The sonic device somehow interfered with this natural vibration.



Everyone in the room with the unit felt very sick and some started to collapse.  They turned it off before they passed out and died.  Which could have made an interesting science-fiction mystery story.



So the things can be bloody dangerous.  Further experiments revealed that specific muscle sets could be targeted to make them relax, such as those of the adult male bladder.



But again (my recollection) these late 1960&#039;s &amp; early 1970&#039;s experiments showed such major limitations (enclosed rooms below a certain size) that it was just a laboratory curiousity.



Your Marine story indicates that a way may have been found to make these things work outdoors, sort of.  I&#039;d love to know more about them.



And they&#039;d make a dandy plot device for our host.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TmjUtah,</p>
<p>My understanding of how low-frequency sonic crowd control devices work is that they hit particular resonant frequencies for specific muscles.  My recollection from first reading of these 30-35 years ago is that this was discovered in a French lab with a device which broadcast at (I think) seven cycles a second, which happened to be the frequency used by human muscles in vibrating to create body heat.  The sonic device somehow interfered with this natural vibration.</p>
<p>Everyone in the room with the unit felt very sick and some started to collapse.  They turned it off before they passed out and died.  Which could have made an interesting science-fiction mystery story.</p>
<p>So the things can be bloody dangerous.  Further experiments revealed that specific muscle sets could be targeted to make them relax, such as those of the adult male bladder.</p>
<p>But again (my recollection) these late 1960&#8242;s &amp; early 1970&#8242;s experiments showed such major limitations (enclosed rooms below a certain size) that it was just a laboratory curiousity.</p>
<p>Your Marine story indicates that a way may have been found to make these things work outdoors, sort of.  I&#8217;d love to know more about them.</p>
<p>And they&#8217;d make a dandy plot device for our host.</p>
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		<title>By: Macker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Macker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2004 14:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am definitely rooting for the NYPD to maintain Law and Order. After the 1992 LA Riots (which I&#039;m sure Roger remembers), I started advocating the &quot;militarization&quot; of the police forces in major cities where they have access to military equipment, and now we&#039;re finally seeing it here. On film, such a force would look like the alternate-universe LAPD shown in the opening sequence of Jet Li&#039;s 2001 film, &quot;The One.&quot;



Don&#039;t get me wrong, I&#039;m not saying that with this stuff on hand, the cops can go and conduct searches without obtaining warrants, or not inform a suspect of their Miranda rights when being arrested. They need this stuff to keep a potential demonstration from turning into a violent rampage.



We DO know just from how the anarchists acted in 1999 in Seattle that given enough impetus they will go in and trash every business in an area, we need to keep these people under control, and the NYPD&#039;s use of the LRAD and other devices should provide enough deterrence to say to the potential protestors, &lt;i&gt;&quot;We&#039;re here, don&#039;t even THINK of f**king with us &#039;cause we will f**k you over BAD with this stuff.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am definitely rooting for the NYPD to maintain Law and Order. After the 1992 LA Riots (which I&#8217;m sure Roger remembers), I started advocating the &#8220;militarization&#8221; of the police forces in major cities where they have access to military equipment, and now we&#8217;re finally seeing it here. On film, such a force would look like the alternate-universe LAPD shown in the opening sequence of Jet Li&#8217;s 2001 film, &#8220;The One.&#8221;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I&#8217;m not saying that with this stuff on hand, the cops can go and conduct searches without obtaining warrants, or not inform a suspect of their Miranda rights when being arrested. They need this stuff to keep a potential demonstration from turning into a violent rampage.</p>
<p>We DO know just from how the anarchists acted in 1999 in Seattle that given enough impetus they will go in and trash every business in an area, we need to keep these people under control, and the NYPD&#8217;s use of the LRAD and other devices should provide enough deterrence to say to the potential protestors, <i>&#8220;We&#8217;re here, don&#8217;t even THINK of f**king with us &#8217;cause we will f**k you over BAD with this stuff.&#8221;</i></p>
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		<title>By: D Anghelone</title>
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		<dc:creator>D Anghelone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;BTW Roger I did not know there was such a thing as a remote section of Brooklyn.&lt;/i&gt;



&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.geocities.com/floyd_bennett_field/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Floyd Bennett Field.&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>BTW Roger I did not know there was such a thing as a remote section of Brooklyn.</i></p>
<p><a href="http://www.geocities.com/floyd_bennett_field/" rel="nofollow">Floyd Bennett Field.</a></p>
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		<title>By: TmjUtah</title>
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		<dc:creator>TmjUtah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2004 05:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.de.afrl.af.mil/factsheets/activedenial.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;microwave weapon&lt;/a&gt; the Air Force is developing.  And Roger, if you see something like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/ptech/03/03/sonic.weapon.ap/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; it might be time to leave.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the <a href="http://www.de.afrl.af.mil/factsheets/activedenial.html" rel="nofollow">microwave weapon</a> the Air Force is developing.  And Roger, if you see something like <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/ptech/03/03/sonic.weapon.ap/" rel="nofollow">this</a> it might be time to leave.</p>
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		<title>By: TmjUtah</title>
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		<dc:creator>TmjUtah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2004 05:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t find the link, but the Marines did some testing of an ultra-low frequency NLW back in the nineties.  It was mounted on a HUMMV.  Tom up above is absolutely right - the effect is physical, not aural, and incapacitates within seconds.  Sounds like the NYC&#039;s finest are going for straight volume.



I know for a fact that there is a microwave device that causes the surface of exposed skin to feel as if it is on fire.  Don&#039;t know if that one has been approved for use or not.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t find the link, but the Marines did some testing of an ultra-low frequency NLW back in the nineties.  It was mounted on a HUMMV.  Tom up above is absolutely right &#8211; the effect is physical, not aural, and incapacitates within seconds.  Sounds like the NYC&#8217;s finest are going for straight volume.</p>
<p>I know for a fact that there is a microwave device that causes the surface of exposed skin to feel as if it is on fire.  Don&#8217;t know if that one has been approved for use or not.</p>
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		<title>By: richard mcenroe</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard mcenroe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2004 02:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roger and anyone else gonna be on NYC for the convention.  Ear plugs are a good idea even if you never go near the protesters, the ambient noise inside the Garden is going to be majorly loud.



If you do venture near the protesters, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sportsmansguide.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Sportsman&#039;s Guide &lt;/a&gt; has a good selection of Swedish and Soviet gas masks.  Make sure you buy fresh filters and don&#039;t install them until the day you intend to use the mask.



And Roger, I&#039;m sure an old Lefty like yer own self doesn&#039;t need advice on how to treat tear-gas exposure.
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<p>If you do venture near the protesters, <a href="http://www.sportsmansguide.com" rel="nofollow"> Sportsman&#8217;s Guide </a> has a good selection of Swedish and Soviet gas masks.  Make sure you buy fresh filters and don&#8217;t install them until the day you intend to use the mask.</p>
<p>And Roger, I&#8217;m sure an old Lefty like yer own self doesn&#8217;t need advice on how to treat tear-gas exposure.</p>
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		<title>By: PeterUK</title>
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		<dc:creator>PeterUK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2004 00:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What happened.Metallica get too expensive?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What happened.Metallica get too expensive?</p>
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		<title>By: John Moore ( Useful Fools )</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Moore ( Useful Fools )</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2004 00:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ELF sonic weapons cannot be pointed. It takes a huge speaker to form even a weak beam. It might be possible to use noise cancelling technology and create a safe spot for the operator, but anyoone else in the neighborhood, in any direction, is going to get blasted. As I said, higher frequency gives greaterr directivity. Fundamental law of wave mechanics.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ELF sonic weapons cannot be pointed. It takes a huge speaker to form even a weak beam. It might be possible to use noise cancelling technology and create a safe spot for the operator, but anyoone else in the neighborhood, in any direction, is going to get blasted. As I said, higher frequency gives greaterr directivity. Fundamental law of wave mechanics.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Holsinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Holsinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2004 00:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sonic non-lethal weapons using extremely low frequencies act on muscles, not ears, so earplugs can&#039;t help.  I suspect that high frequency devices do not rely on the target&#039;s hearing either.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sonic non-lethal weapons using extremely low frequencies act on muscles, not ears, so earplugs can&#8217;t help.  I suspect that high frequency devices do not rely on the target&#8217;s hearing either.</p>
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