Comments on: Is This My New Day Job? http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/08/10/is-this-my-new-day-job/ The blog of the mystery writer, screenwriter and CEO of Pajamas Media Thu, 16 Feb 2012 06:23:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Roberts http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/08/10/is-this-my-new-day-job/#comment-6236 Roberts Sat, 14 Aug 2004 03:04:07 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/08/10/is-this-my-new-day-job/#comment-6236 There are a couple of us old enough to recognize "Doc" Smith. There are a couple of us old enough to recognize “Doc” Smith.

]]> By: Charlie (Colorado) http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/08/10/is-this-my-new-day-job/#comment-6235 Charlie (Colorado) Fri, 13 Aug 2004 20:52:16 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/08/10/is-this-my-new-day-job/#comment-6235 <i>Charlie (Colorado) ó E.E. Smith jokes on a respectable blog?</i> Thank God someone got it, that's all I can say. Charlie (Colorado) ó E.E. Smith jokes on a respectable blog?

Thank God someone got it, that’s all I can say.

]]> By: richard mcenroe http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/08/10/is-this-my-new-day-job/#comment-6234 richard mcenroe Fri, 13 Aug 2004 06:03:52 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/08/10/is-this-my-new-day-job/#comment-6234 Charlie (Colorado) ó E.E. Smith jokes on a respectable blog? ("Wait! I've just discovered an even higher level of cosmic forces!") Quit skylarking and get back to politics... knucklehead ó The Israelis called the BMP the "Squad coffin." Charlie (Colorado) ó E.E. Smith jokes on a respectable blog? (“Wait! I’ve just discovered an even higher level of cosmic forces!”) Quit skylarking and get back to politics…

knucklehead ó The Israelis called the BMP the “Squad coffin.”

]]> By: Charlie (Colorado) http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/08/10/is-this-my-new-day-job/#comment-6233 Charlie (Colorado) Thu, 12 Aug 2004 18:53:44 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/08/10/is-this-my-new-day-job/#comment-6233 Knuck, the link John had claimed a couple rounds from an M82A1/XM107 caused it to blow up and scared two other BMPs into surrendering. As I said, I don't have any trouble believing that the other BMPs surrendered -- after all, there were Iraqis surrendering to Italian TV cameras and UAVs -- but I just find it difficult to believe that two 1/2 inch by < 1 inch slugs could blow up a BMP, even if they <i>are</i> "armor piercing and incendiary". Not unless they were Seaton and Crane special X loads. (Special no-prize for anyone who gets <i>that</i> reference.) Knuck, the link John had claimed a couple rounds from an M82A1/XM107 caused it to blow up and scared two other BMPs into surrendering. As I said, I don’t have any trouble believing that the other BMPs surrendered — after all, there were Iraqis surrendering to Italian TV cameras and UAVs — but I just find it difficult to believe that two 1/2 inch by < 1 inch slugs could blow up a BMP, even if they are “armor piercing and incendiary”.

Not unless they were Seaton and Crane special X loads.

(Special no-prize for anyone who gets that reference.)

]]> By: Knucklehead http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/08/10/is-this-my-new-day-job/#comment-6232 Knucklehead Thu, 12 Aug 2004 17:30:19 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/08/10/is-this-my-new-day-job/#comment-6232 Charlie: This thread is probably long dead and how the heck it got OT into what a .50 cal (BMG) can and can't do is beyond me, but... IIRC correctly (and its been 25+ years since I looked at anything about this and I ain't going back, thanks) BMPs were notoriously thin-skinned APCs. I'm pretty sure they used to train us that putting a BMG on most any part of a BMP other than the front could easily yield a "kill". I didn't read the link John provided far enough to see what damage is claimed to have been done to the "destroyed" BMP, but I don't doubt for a moment that a well placed BMG round can pierce a BMP and put it out of action - a least momentarily. Also keep in mind that the rifle in queston is chambered for BMG ammunition but there is higher powered ammunition in the BMG factor and some of that is armor piercing (don't know if its coated stuff or what, but large caliber rifle ammo has long been available in armor piercing congigs). Charlie:

This thread is probably long dead and how the heck it got OT into what a .50 cal (BMG) can and can’t do is beyond me, but… IIRC correctly (and its been 25+ years since I looked at anything about this and I ain’t going back, thanks) BMPs were notoriously thin-skinned APCs. I’m pretty sure they used to train us that putting a BMG on most any part of a BMP other than the front could easily yield a “kill”.

I didn’t read the link John provided far enough to see what damage is claimed to have been done to the “destroyed” BMP, but I don’t doubt for a moment that a well placed BMG round can pierce a BMP and put it out of action – a least momentarily. Also keep in mind that the rifle in queston is chambered for BMG ammunition but there is higher powered ammunition in the BMG factor and some of that is armor piercing (don’t know if its coated stuff or what, but large caliber rifle ammo has long been available in armor piercing congigs).

]]> By: richard mcenroe http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/08/10/is-this-my-new-day-job/#comment-6231 richard mcenroe Thu, 12 Aug 2004 04:16:28 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/08/10/is-this-my-new-day-job/#comment-6231 Charlie(Colorado) ó Well, I ain't driving the BTR downrange for the demonstration/practical application part of this exercise... And talking about <a href="http://www.bobharris.com/images/bushsuckerpunch.gif" rel="nofollow"> Stopping Power </a> ...remember, <i>their</i> guy can't even throw the ball as far as home plate... Charlie(Colorado) ó Well, I ain’t driving the BTR downrange for the demonstration/practical application part of this exercise…

And talking about Stopping Power …remember, their guy can’t even throw the ball as far as home plate…

]]> By: Charlie (Colorado) http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/08/10/is-this-my-new-day-job/#comment-6230 Charlie (Colorado) Thu, 12 Aug 2004 02:46:31 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/08/10/is-this-my-new-day-job/#comment-6230 By golly, John, you're right -- I had a brain fart and confounded the M1918A1 BAR with the M2 Browning 50 cal machine gun. Sorry. However, it's the M2 50 calibre that I used to fire in the ROTC familiarization course, and that I described: 700+ grain (49 grams, close enough) and 870+ m/s (2850 ft/s) muzzle velocity. And you're still dreaming if you really imagine that a round or two from a browning 50 cal can at all reliably destroy an APC. As I said, a lucky shot and a secondary explosion, maybe -- but then, luck and a Zippo lighter can do it too. By golly, John, you’re right — I had a brain fart and confounded the M1918A1 BAR with the M2 Browning 50 cal machine gun. Sorry.

However, it’s the M2 50 calibre that I used to fire in the ROTC familiarization course, and that I described: 700+ grain (49 grams, close enough) and 870+ m/s (2850 ft/s) muzzle velocity.

And you’re still dreaming if you really imagine that a round or two from a browning 50 cal can at all reliably destroy an APC. As I said, a lucky shot and a secondary explosion, maybe — but then, luck and a Zippo lighter can do it too.

]]> By: M. Simon http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/08/10/is-this-my-new-day-job/#comment-6229 M. Simon Thu, 12 Aug 2004 02:09:32 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/08/10/is-this-my-new-day-job/#comment-6229 What is the War Hero Afraid of? Form 180. Release the records. What is the War Hero Afraid of?

Form 180. Release the records.

]]> By: richard mcenroe http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/08/10/is-this-my-new-day-job/#comment-6228 richard mcenroe Thu, 12 Aug 2004 02:03:51 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/08/10/is-this-my-new-day-job/#comment-6228 Charlie(colorado), the GI BAR, as used by the US through the Korean war and the adoption of the 7.62 NATO (.308) round, was chambered for the .30 M1 cartridge, the classic .30-06. Fired a 7.62mm, 150 grain bullet. The .50 BMG the Barrett fires is 12.7mm, weighs 709gr (FMJ-BT) at 2850fps. It's <i>enormously more powerful than any .30 cal. round. The version used in the 80's, that I am familiar with, will penetrate an M113 at max effective range. The Barrett may give up some muzzle velocity because of its barrel length, but the round and the weapon is <i>designed</i> to engage hard targets at range. The SAS used them in the Saddam excavation to take out Scuds on their mobile launchers.</i> Charlie(colorado), the GI BAR, as used by the US through the Korean war and the adoption of the 7.62 NATO (.308) round, was chambered for the .30 M1 cartridge, the classic .30-06. Fired a 7.62mm, 150 grain bullet.

The .50 BMG the Barrett fires is 12.7mm, weighs 709gr (FMJ-BT) at 2850fps. It’s enormously more powerful than any .30 cal. round. The version used in the 80′s, that I am familiar with, will penetrate an M113 at max effective range. The Barrett may give up some muzzle velocity because of its barrel length, but the round and the weapon is designed to engage hard targets at range. The SAS used them in the Saddam excavation to take out Scuds on their mobile launchers.

]]> By: frendlydude2k http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/08/10/is-this-my-new-day-job/#comment-6227 frendlydude2k Thu, 12 Aug 2004 01:35:04 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/08/10/is-this-my-new-day-job/#comment-6227 "except in the case of those people who have been turned by Howard Stern." i work with such a person. these people are shallow, childish, small L libertarians who value skatology over all other things. before stern turned, i could relate. remove "shallow, childish" and "over all other things" from above my ears burn. “except in the case of those people who have been turned by Howard Stern.”

i work with such a person. these people are shallow, childish, small L libertarians who value skatology over all other things.

before stern turned, i could relate. remove “shallow, childish” and “over all other things” from above my ears burn.

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