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		<title>By: John Mendenhall</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/08/07/dangers-of-dawa/#comment-5346</link>
		<dc:creator>John Mendenhall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2004 23:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charlie of Colorado, Richard is not silly.  Islam is unreformable because it is perfect.  It is not politically reformable because it is politically perfect, and it is not theologically reformable because there is one God and Mohammed is his prophet.



You mention that there are Christians who believe that the Bible is the infallible Word of God, and there are.



What it has to do with anything other than to confuse those easily confused I can&#039;t say.



But, Charlie, for a friend, I&#039;ll clear it up:  Christianity is not a political system.  Christianity has a robust tradition of ongoing revelation.  Thus, Christianity needs no political reformation, and is theologically reformed, no doubt, every second of every minute by somebody somewhere being seized by the Spirit and speaking in tongues, or having Revealed to them that God does after favor the recruitment of black athletes to formerly white religious schools.



Islam, as you say, is divided into (more than four) several schools.  The most prominent hates, despises, and performs remarkable cruelties on the next most prominent school, a bunch of apostates who do not believe that any of the Sunni caliphs were legitimate.



That second school, Shi&#039;a, consoles itself with hatred of the most prominent school for stealing the caliphate 1200 years ago, and comforts itself with the knowledge that the 12th imam, now nearing 900 years of age, is hiding in a cave and will at some date of his choosing emerge to lead victorious Shi&#039;ites into the establishment of a caliphate in the name of Ali, who was bamboozled 1200 years ago out of his rightful spot as Mohammed&#039;s successor.  Shi&#039;a is first and foremost concerned with its own victimhood and revenge.



The other schools believe even more bizarre things.  But they all believe that the Koran and the Hadith are all there is and all there ever will be.



And that&#039;s why Islam cannot be reformed.  The alleged &quot;golden ages&quot; of Islam were periods when the Muslims conquered developed societies and learned their ideas, until the mullahs put a stop to it.



Dinosaurs had a golden age too.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlie of Colorado, Richard is not silly.  Islam is unreformable because it is perfect.  It is not politically reformable because it is politically perfect, and it is not theologically reformable because there is one God and Mohammed is his prophet.</p>
<p>You mention that there are Christians who believe that the Bible is the infallible Word of God, and there are.</p>
<p>What it has to do with anything other than to confuse those easily confused I can&#8217;t say.</p>
<p>But, Charlie, for a friend, I&#8217;ll clear it up:  Christianity is not a political system.  Christianity has a robust tradition of ongoing revelation.  Thus, Christianity needs no political reformation, and is theologically reformed, no doubt, every second of every minute by somebody somewhere being seized by the Spirit and speaking in tongues, or having Revealed to them that God does after favor the recruitment of black athletes to formerly white religious schools.</p>
<p>Islam, as you say, is divided into (more than four) several schools.  The most prominent hates, despises, and performs remarkable cruelties on the next most prominent school, a bunch of apostates who do not believe that any of the Sunni caliphs were legitimate.</p>
<p>That second school, Shi&#8217;a, consoles itself with hatred of the most prominent school for stealing the caliphate 1200 years ago, and comforts itself with the knowledge that the 12th imam, now nearing 900 years of age, is hiding in a cave and will at some date of his choosing emerge to lead victorious Shi&#8217;ites into the establishment of a caliphate in the name of Ali, who was bamboozled 1200 years ago out of his rightful spot as Mohammed&#8217;s successor.  Shi&#8217;a is first and foremost concerned with its own victimhood and revenge.</p>
<p>The other schools believe even more bizarre things.  But they all believe that the Koran and the Hadith are all there is and all there ever will be.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s why Islam cannot be reformed.  The alleged &#8220;golden ages&#8221; of Islam were periods when the Muslims conquered developed societies and learned their ideas, until the mullahs put a stop to it.</p>
<p>Dinosaurs had a golden age too.</p>
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		<title>By: Knucklehead</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2004 12:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Syl:&lt;/b&gt;



I&#039;m with you on the matter of what do we call the &quot;war&quot;.  Its a war on terrorism, the Islamofascist variety is merely the latest and most virulent straing.



&lt;b&gt;Witchita &amp; Tmj&lt;/b&gt;



I agree with you guys on the matter of trying to hide out in blue-state, big sky country.  In today&#039;s America the best places to blend in and hide out are the large metropolitan areas.  That is where the locals have a well developed sense of not paying attention.  Those are the areas where an effort is required to get people to have a &quot;block watch&quot; mentality.  While the metro areas make it easy to hide in plain sight and move freely without attracting attention, they don&#039;t lend themselves well to establishing jihadi training camps.  One might slip off into the blue-state hinterlands to test one&#039;s bomb making skills but if one makes a big noise in the red-state areas somebody is going to arrive to check things out.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Syl:</b></p>
<p>I&#8217;m with you on the matter of what do we call the &#8220;war&#8221;.  Its a war on terrorism, the Islamofascist variety is merely the latest and most virulent straing.</p>
<p><b>Witchita &amp; Tmj</b></p>
<p>I agree with you guys on the matter of trying to hide out in blue-state, big sky country.  In today&#8217;s America the best places to blend in and hide out are the large metropolitan areas.  That is where the locals have a well developed sense of not paying attention.  Those are the areas where an effort is required to get people to have a &#8220;block watch&#8221; mentality.  While the metro areas make it easy to hide in plain sight and move freely without attracting attention, they don&#8217;t lend themselves well to establishing jihadi training camps.  One might slip off into the blue-state hinterlands to test one&#8217;s bomb making skills but if one makes a big noise in the red-state areas somebody is going to arrive to check things out.</p>
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		<title>By: hollywood</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/08/07/dangers-of-dawa/#comment-5344</link>
		<dc:creator>hollywood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2004 03:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Terrye ó P.J. O&#039;Rourke has pointed out that celebrities, especially Hollywood celebrities, have absolutely no idea what money can do&quot;



richard,



Before signing on with P.J. you need to read his review in today&#039;s Book section of the LA Times (no link available without paying, unfortunately).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Terrye ó P.J. O&#8217;Rourke has pointed out that celebrities, especially Hollywood celebrities, have absolutely no idea what money can do&#8221;</p>
<p>richard,</p>
<p>Before signing on with P.J. you need to read his review in today&#8217;s Book section of the LA Times (no link available without paying, unfortunately).</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie (Colorado)</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2004 01:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Islam can&#039;t reform. How do you reform the directly revealed Word of God?&lt;/i&gt;



Ah, Richard, that&#039;s just silly.  Islam  has four major traditions (Shi&#039;a, Sunni, Sufi, and Ishmaelian) and has been a center of enlightenment in the world in the past.  (Remember that it was Isabella and Ferdinand who threw out the Jews in previously-Moorish Andaluz.  They wouldn&#039;t have been there to throw out if Islam hadn&#039;t been tolerant at the time.)  And Christianity has its adherents to the &quot;directly received Word of God&quot; theory as well.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Islam can&#8217;t reform. How do you reform the directly revealed Word of God?</i></p>
<p>Ah, Richard, that&#8217;s just silly.  Islam  has four major traditions (Shi&#8217;a, Sunni, Sufi, and Ishmaelian) and has been a center of enlightenment in the world in the past.  (Remember that it was Isabella and Ferdinand who threw out the Jews in previously-Moorish Andaluz.  They wouldn&#8217;t have been there to throw out if Islam hadn&#8217;t been tolerant at the time.)  And Christianity has its adherents to the &#8220;directly received Word of God&#8221; theory as well.</p>
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		<title>By: holdfast</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2004 19:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recall at least one instance where Islamists were running a traning camp in rural Virginia, and another where British Muslims were being brought to the &#039;States for weapons training - can&#039;t remember where they were training, but I dount it was Manhattan.  It&#039;s good to hear that folks are checking up on their neighbors and all, but I think I&#039;m correct in my assertion that, in some rural areas, the sound of gunfire coming from an out of the way abandoned gravel pit on a Sunday afternoon would not  be considered remarkable.  This is not meant as a dis to rural America - rather, it&#039;s generally one of the good points about living there.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recall at least one instance where Islamists were running a traning camp in rural Virginia, and another where British Muslims were being brought to the &#8216;States for weapons training &#8211; can&#8217;t remember where they were training, but I dount it was Manhattan.  It&#8217;s good to hear that folks are checking up on their neighbors and all, but I think I&#8217;m correct in my assertion that, in some rural areas, the sound of gunfire coming from an out of the way abandoned gravel pit on a Sunday afternoon would not  be considered remarkable.  This is not meant as a dis to rural America &#8211; rather, it&#8217;s generally one of the good points about living there.</p>
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		<title>By: Syl</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2004 17:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PeterUK



Yes, and we haven&#039;t a clue how many there are, let alone the number of those who could easily be recruited.



I read the WaPo article linked by Instapundit about all the arrests in pakistan recently. They said about 100 in the last few days with 18 or so identified as al Qaeda.



My first thought was &#039;Wow! We got a lot!&#039;



My second thought was &#039;But there&#039;s so many more&#039;.


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<p>Yes, and we haven&#8217;t a clue how many there are, let alone the number of those who could easily be recruited.</p>
<p>I read the WaPo article linked by Instapundit about all the arrests in pakistan recently. They said about 100 in the last few days with 18 or so identified as al Qaeda.</p>
<p>My first thought was &#8216;Wow! We got a lot!&#8217;</p>
<p>My second thought was &#8216;But there&#8217;s so many more&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: PeterUK</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2004 16:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;AL-HINDI is believed to have been born in 1971 and raised in Middlesex in a Hindu family. Acquaintances remember him as an unassuming young man, 5ft 5in tall. ìHe was softly-spoken and typically wore round-framed spectacles, casual western-style dress like cardigan and loafers, and had a neatly-trimmed beard,î said a former acquaintance.



He converted to Islam aged 20 after a holiday in the disputed Indian province of Kashmir. According to friends, he became alienated from his parents, abandoning the family name,Patel.&quot;

Sunday Times  8th Aug,A very interesting article,sorry won&#039;t lnk.



This is the problem, our free society is being used against us,towns and cities are the places they can disappear.Weapons training is available from the Middle East to the Hindu Kush.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;AL-HINDI is believed to have been born in 1971 and raised in Middlesex in a Hindu family. Acquaintances remember him as an unassuming young man, 5ft 5in tall. ìHe was softly-spoken and typically wore round-framed spectacles, casual western-style dress like cardigan and loafers, and had a neatly-trimmed beard,î said a former acquaintance.</p>
<p>He converted to Islam aged 20 after a holiday in the disputed Indian province of Kashmir. According to friends, he became alienated from his parents, abandoning the family name,Patel.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sunday Times  8th Aug,A very interesting article,sorry won&#8217;t lnk.</p>
<p>This is the problem, our free society is being used against us,towns and cities are the places they can disappear.Weapons training is available from the Middle East to the Hindu Kush.</p>
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		<title>By: TmjUtah</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2004 05:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Out here in Utah (I guess we are the template for blue) there are numerous places out in the toolies where people go to shoot.



Since 9/11 I&#039;ve made it a point to scope out my favorite venues with a drive by before picking a spot to set up.  I found out early on that I&#039;m not alone.  On more than one occasion I&#039;ve had &#039;friendly visits&#039; (I have some military-looking weapons) and I&#039;ve made some too - especially when the group was composed of younger folks.  We&#039;ve got a whole boatload of back country but what the earthraper motorhead gun nuts don&#039;t cover the mountainbiker/birkenstock brigades cover quite effectively. The most remote communities tend to be the most clannish; nothing happens in their neighborhoods without it becomes public knowledge within days.



What used to be a fun trip to the boondocks has become area patrolling.



Faster, please...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Out here in Utah (I guess we are the template for blue) there are numerous places out in the toolies where people go to shoot.</p>
<p>Since 9/11 I&#8217;ve made it a point to scope out my favorite venues with a drive by before picking a spot to set up.  I found out early on that I&#8217;m not alone.  On more than one occasion I&#8217;ve had &#8216;friendly visits&#8217; (I have some military-looking weapons) and I&#8217;ve made some too &#8211; especially when the group was composed of younger folks.  We&#8217;ve got a whole boatload of back country but what the earthraper motorhead gun nuts don&#8217;t cover the mountainbiker/birkenstock brigades cover quite effectively. The most remote communities tend to be the most clannish; nothing happens in their neighborhoods without it becomes public knowledge within days.</p>
<p>What used to be a fun trip to the boondocks has become area patrolling.</p>
<p>Faster, please&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: richard mcenroe</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2004 04:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wichita Boy ó Islam &lt;i&gt;can&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; reform.  How do you reform the directly revealed Word of God?  That&#039;s why in the long term, if the West doesn&#039;t just collapse, Islam is a doomed faith...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wichita Boy ó Islam <i>can&#8217;t</i> reform.  How do you reform the directly revealed Word of God?  That&#8217;s why in the long term, if the West doesn&#8217;t just collapse, Islam is a doomed faith&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2004 03:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul:



I heard the &quot;hold hands and talk&#039; comment on the radio. I believe it was taken from one of the recent Kerry whistlestops but I can&#039;t be sure. i imagine it will show in print somewhere soon
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul:</p>
<p>I heard the &#8220;hold hands and talk&#8217; comment on the radio. I believe it was taken from one of the recent Kerry whistlestops but I can&#8217;t be sure. i imagine it will show in print somewhere soon</p>
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