I take it that you have not been able to find a list of John O’Neil’s dirty tricks. But i won’t call you a troll. I will borrow some more “Alex Logic” and call you trollian. That way I can preserve plausable deniability and deny calling you a troll.

Meanwhile, you fail to deal with the fact that John Kerry is being shown to be a long-standing and congenital liar.

What the bleep point are you trying to make?

BTW, the reference to Resnais’ Hiroshima, Mon Amour seems misplaced. I don’t think anyone expects nuclear, more likely the Spanish Inquisition.

I don’t see either properly applied to me.

Actually, Alex, I don’t recall saying either one applied to you. I am beginning to suspect you may be one of Paul Reuben’s characters, though.

I would be interested in seeing you explain what Nixonian dirty trick you suggest O’Neill committed, though. I believe that would make me either the third or the fourth person to ask you to justify what appears to be an ad hominem circumstantial.

Please respond to the challenge. What “dirty trick” did O’Neil committ. He debated Kerry. When Kerry made a blanket charge that Vietnam soldiers were daily committing brutal atrocities and violating the Geneva Convention Mr. O’Neil challenged him openly in debate. Mr. Kerry made these charges based on one meeting that he attented, oh by the way many of the charges he repeated were made by people whio were not there or turned out later to be lies, so Mr. O’Neil made a counter argument. If you go back and read the transcripts He did a good job of challenging Kerry fantasy stories.We can have a dialog and you can list the dirty tricks that O’Neil performed but if debating Kerry is a dirty trick then Mr. O’Neil has lots of company.

If you want to continue the Nixonian guilt by association tactic then here are a couple of challenges to meet using “Alex” thought. Sen Byrd is a powerfull and highly respected member of the Democratic party. Sen. Byrd was amember of the KKK. Therefore, using “Alex” logic, it is fair to state that Sen. Kerry supports the KKK.

“I oppose the U.N. or anyone else risking the lives of their citizens to extract us from our debacle. I’m sorry but the majority of Americans supported this war once it began and sadly, that majority must now sacrafice their children until enough blood has been let that maybe, just maybe, God and the Iraqi people will forgive us in the end. -Micheal Moore, April 14th, 2003. Michael Moore was given a place of honour,a seat in the Presidents box next to Jimmy Carter, at the Democratic Convention. The only higher honour would be to have him introduce Kerry himself. Using “Alex’ logic it is fair to say that Kerry shares the feelings of the statement quoted above and this is what the American people can expect from a Kerry administration.

Now Alex, we can go down this road forever, you can dig up quotes, you can call us names, you can wish more venereal disease upon us. Or you can respond to the challenges that the SBV make, dispute them with facts, not name calling and convince us that they are false. You can list the “dirty tricks’ has that O’Neil committed or you can continue the grand Nixonian tactic of smearing and guilt by association. I have not called you a troll but so far you have done a poor job of presenting your case or actually responding to the subject of this thread. It is easy to name call and slander. it is much harder to respond to the challenge of Roger’s post. Try it, you will like it.

Though I no doubt would disagree with you on many things. I do not believe you are a troll because we disagree, but because of your past behavior on this blog, much of which consists of poorly argued posts and ad hominem dump-and-runs. Even your oveheated response to my comment proves my point.

No, I accused him of being a Nixonian trickster, someone recruited by Nixon to make political attacks.

This says something about Colson and Nixon, not O’Neil.

It says that Colson and Nixon saw in O’Neill exacly what they were looking for.

Any truth to the rumor that Fred Leuchter is going to lend his scientific expertise to the Kerry-faked-heroic-acts so he could run for President 35 years later case?

Alex: “Troll” is a term of art that describes apattern of behavior.

Like “sodomite”.

I’m confused. Which do you purport to be?

I don’t see either properly applied to me.

You accused O’Neil of being a dirty Nixon like trickster. You have yet to explain which illegal or immoral act that O”Neil has committed. I followed the watergate hearing very closely and as far as I can tell all O’Neil did was debate Kerry on TV, and given the the benifit of time passing I think he beat Kerry in those debates. You made the attack on O’Neil. You have nothing but a quote from Chuck Colson. This says something about Colson and Nixon, not O’Neil. DeeDee Meyers defended Clinton because she thought he was telling the truth about his sex life. Does the fact that Clinton lied make Myers a liar too? Please list the bad acts that O’Neil has committed. If you don’t have any then you are no better then Tricky Dick himself. Smearing and guilt by association was a favorite of the Trickster. What a shame you have adopted the same tactics.