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		<title>By: HA</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2004 10:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Knucklehead,



Don&#039;t know if your paying attention to this thread any more, but here&#039;s an op-ed that strikes at the heart of your question about the willingness of the left to act on its anti-semitism:



http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2001999939_alexander09.html



It is chilling to realize that someone like Al Sharpton who has incited multiple anti-semitic homicides was allowed to participate in the Democratic debates, and was invited to speak at the Democratic convention.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Knucklehead,</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t know if your paying attention to this thread any more, but here&#8217;s an op-ed that strikes at the heart of your question about the willingness of the left to act on its anti-semitism:</p>
<p><a href="http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2001999939_alexander09.html" rel="nofollow">http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2001999939_alexander09.html</a></p>
<p>It is chilling to realize that someone like Al Sharpton who has incited multiple anti-semitic homicides was allowed to participate in the Democratic debates, and was invited to speak at the Democratic convention.</p>
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		<title>By: Knucklehead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Knucklehead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Aug 2004 16:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;HA:&lt;/b&gt;



&lt;i&gt;But I would expect a positive correrlation between left-wing voting patterns and anti-semitic attacks because the blue states have a lethal proximity between a receptive audience to anti-semitism - palatably disguised &quot;anti-zionism&quot; - and available targets for those prepared to use &quot;all necessary means&quot; to achieve their final solution.&lt;/i&gt;



To try to expand on what I suspect re: red-state vs. blue-state anti-semitism...



I may get, and may deserve, some trashing for this, but here&#039;s how it seems to me.  I don&#039;t doubt for one moment that the red-states have their share of bigots of various flavors.  Nor do the blue-states.     Bigots are bigots and not every red-state bigot is &quot;politically&quot; red-state.  Not every blue-state bigot is politically blue-state.



Red-staters, regardless of political beliefs or bigotries held, however, seem to me to be somewhat less passive.  A bigot in a red-state sort of area would, I suspect but don&#039;t actually know, be more likely to act in some way upon bigotry.  Go out and threaten violence or inflict violence.  In the case of anti-semite bigots, however, they have less access to Jews upon which to actively vent their bigotry.



Blue state bigots, particularly the anti-semite variety, are more &quot;upscale&quot;.  They tend to be the same people who would say things like &quot;war never solved anything&quot;.  They are more passive, at least physically, when it comes to expressing their bigotries.  Call it non-violent if that fits better.  So while these elitist, upscale anti-semites have more access to Jews upon which to vent their bigotry they are less inclined to vent bigotry through violence or other non-passive, non-cocktail party, no-campus-rally sorts of activities.



But these upscale, elitist types of bigots do have some influence on what becomes acceptable (or not) to the general population.  We could point to many examples but I doubt that&#039;s necessary.  If the upscale, elitist anti-semites influence wide-spread public opinion toward open anti-semitism or reach the point of stirring up anti-semitism to get to violence by proxy, well, things could get much uglier much faster.



I think we&#039;re too early in the open anti-semitism from elites phenomenon to see it reflected statistically in some plot of crimes red-state vs. blue-state.  And by the time it would show up any such plot we&#039;ll have a real problem on our hands.



Unfortunately the elites of today have become the narrow-minded, prone to bigotry elites they screamed against all those years ago.  Once upon a time they fought against a calcified and narrow minded establishment.  Now they are the calcified and narrow minded establishment.  Back then they recognized the establishment as part of the problems that needed solving.  Now they they are the establishment they fail to see that they are part of the problems that need solving.
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<p><i>But I would expect a positive correrlation between left-wing voting patterns and anti-semitic attacks because the blue states have a lethal proximity between a receptive audience to anti-semitism &#8211; palatably disguised &#8220;anti-zionism&#8221; &#8211; and available targets for those prepared to use &#8220;all necessary means&#8221; to achieve their final solution.</i></p>
<p>To try to expand on what I suspect re: red-state vs. blue-state anti-semitism&#8230;</p>
<p>I may get, and may deserve, some trashing for this, but here&#8217;s how it seems to me.  I don&#8217;t doubt for one moment that the red-states have their share of bigots of various flavors.  Nor do the blue-states.     Bigots are bigots and not every red-state bigot is &#8220;politically&#8221; red-state.  Not every blue-state bigot is politically blue-state.</p>
<p>Red-staters, regardless of political beliefs or bigotries held, however, seem to me to be somewhat less passive.  A bigot in a red-state sort of area would, I suspect but don&#8217;t actually know, be more likely to act in some way upon bigotry.  Go out and threaten violence or inflict violence.  In the case of anti-semite bigots, however, they have less access to Jews upon which to actively vent their bigotry.</p>
<p>Blue state bigots, particularly the anti-semite variety, are more &#8220;upscale&#8221;.  They tend to be the same people who would say things like &#8220;war never solved anything&#8221;.  They are more passive, at least physically, when it comes to expressing their bigotries.  Call it non-violent if that fits better.  So while these elitist, upscale anti-semites have more access to Jews upon which to vent their bigotry they are less inclined to vent bigotry through violence or other non-passive, non-cocktail party, no-campus-rally sorts of activities.</p>
<p>But these upscale, elitist types of bigots do have some influence on what becomes acceptable (or not) to the general population.  We could point to many examples but I doubt that&#8217;s necessary.  If the upscale, elitist anti-semites influence wide-spread public opinion toward open anti-semitism or reach the point of stirring up anti-semitism to get to violence by proxy, well, things could get much uglier much faster.</p>
<p>I think we&#8217;re too early in the open anti-semitism from elites phenomenon to see it reflected statistically in some plot of crimes red-state vs. blue-state.  And by the time it would show up any such plot we&#8217;ll have a real problem on our hands.</p>
<p>Unfortunately the elites of today have become the narrow-minded, prone to bigotry elites they screamed against all those years ago.  Once upon a time they fought against a calcified and narrow minded establishment.  Now they are the calcified and narrow minded establishment.  Back then they recognized the establishment as part of the problems that needed solving.  Now they they are the establishment they fail to see that they are part of the problems that need solving.</p>
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		<title>By: David Thomson</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/08/05/backtracking-again/#comment-5173</link>
		<dc:creator>David Thomson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Aug 2004 13:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ìWeimar Berlin was a progressive bastion before it wasn&#039;t a progressive bastion.î



This is one of the reason so many Jews let their guard down.  Germany was at that time perhaps the least anti-Semitic European country.  Many secular Jews considered themselves fully assimilated.  Thatís why it is ironic when observing the occasional debates over who is really a Jew.  Hitler rarely gave a damn about the distinctions.  The possibility that one never attended a synagogue was utterly meaningless in his way of looking at the world.



The United States is not anywhere close to becoming another Nazi Germany.  Nonetheless, American Jews are far more vulnerable today than they were just a few years ago.  Rep. Anthony Weiner is one of the reasons why this has occurred:



ìFor example, it didnít seem obvious to him (Rep. Weiner) that Islamists, hating America and hating Jews and Christians, might not share their authentic views with him. Amazingly, he had not heard that some Muslims in Brooklyn along Atlantic Avenue and some others in Queens had celebrated in the streets when the World Trade Center was destroyed by the genocide bombers. Nor did he know they were filmed in the act by local TV crews ñ whose tapes were not replayed often and then, suspiciously enough, disappeared completely from the airwaves as the news reports got worse and worse. Even when I told him about it he denied it. Facts can be such horrid things.î



http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=14338
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ìWeimar Berlin was a progressive bastion before it wasn&#8217;t a progressive bastion.î</p>
<p>This is one of the reason so many Jews let their guard down.  Germany was at that time perhaps the least anti-Semitic European country.  Many secular Jews considered themselves fully assimilated.  Thatís why it is ironic when observing the occasional debates over who is really a Jew.  Hitler rarely gave a damn about the distinctions.  The possibility that one never attended a synagogue was utterly meaningless in his way of looking at the world.</p>
<p>The United States is not anywhere close to becoming another Nazi Germany.  Nonetheless, American Jews are far more vulnerable today than they were just a few years ago.  Rep. Anthony Weiner is one of the reasons why this has occurred:</p>
<p>ìFor example, it didnít seem obvious to him (Rep. Weiner) that Islamists, hating America and hating Jews and Christians, might not share their authentic views with him. Amazingly, he had not heard that some Muslims in Brooklyn along Atlantic Avenue and some others in Queens had celebrated in the streets when the World Trade Center was destroyed by the genocide bombers. Nor did he know they were filmed in the act by local TV crews ñ whose tapes were not replayed often and then, suspiciously enough, disappeared completely from the airwaves as the news reports got worse and worse. Even when I told him about it he denied it. Facts can be such horrid things.î</p>
<p><a href="http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=14338" rel="nofollow">http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=14338</a></p>
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		<title>By: HA</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Aug 2004 11:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>slimedog,



&lt;i&gt;Great idea about the map, but it&#039;s a butt-kicker to get the data in mappable form. &lt;/i&gt;



Thanks for the info! Is the difficulty getting the data or mapping the data? If you have sufficient data, there are a number of ways to map it. There are even cheap add-ons to Microsoft Excel to map data. Here is one example:



http://www.softill.com/



I think it would be interesting to see the data plotted by zip code. This should be granular enough to see if their are clusters around extreme left-wing regions like Berkeley where &quot;anti-zionism&quot; has become a religion. It would also be interesting to see how the data changes over time. Even if the correlation is weak today, I expect it will grow stronger over time.



Knucklehead raises good points about the competing strains of left-wing and right-wing anti-semitism. But I would expect a positive correrlation between left-wing voting patterns and anti-semitic attacks because the blue states have a lethal proximity between a receptive audience to anti-semitism - palatably disguised &quot;anti-zionism&quot; - and available targets for those prepared to use &quot;all necessary means&quot; to achieve their final solution.




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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>slimedog,</p>
<p><i>Great idea about the map, but it&#8217;s a butt-kicker to get the data in mappable form. </i></p>
<p>Thanks for the info! Is the difficulty getting the data or mapping the data? If you have sufficient data, there are a number of ways to map it. There are even cheap add-ons to Microsoft Excel to map data. Here is one example:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.softill.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.softill.com/</a></p>
<p>I think it would be interesting to see the data plotted by zip code. This should be granular enough to see if their are clusters around extreme left-wing regions like Berkeley where &#8220;anti-zionism&#8221; has become a religion. It would also be interesting to see how the data changes over time. Even if the correlation is weak today, I expect it will grow stronger over time.</p>
<p>Knucklehead raises good points about the competing strains of left-wing and right-wing anti-semitism. But I would expect a positive correrlation between left-wing voting patterns and anti-semitic attacks because the blue states have a lethal proximity between a receptive audience to anti-semitism &#8211; palatably disguised &#8220;anti-zionism&#8221; &#8211; and available targets for those prepared to use &#8220;all necessary means&#8221; to achieve their final solution.</p>
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		<title>By: David Thomson</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Thomson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Aug 2004 09:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The shocking thing is that what we so casually take for granted concerning the growing anti-Semitism of the Democrat Party is a total mystery to most people. The liberal media has hidden this from the public.  Even more shocking is that it is the ultra-liberal Jews who are primarily responsible for this sad state of affairs!  I&#039;m convinced that John Kerry will really stick it to Israel if he is elected.  Unfortunately, the awful jobs report just dramatically increased the odds in his favor. President Bush is in deep trouble.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The shocking thing is that what we so casually take for granted concerning the growing anti-Semitism of the Democrat Party is a total mystery to most people. The liberal media has hidden this from the public.  Even more shocking is that it is the ultra-liberal Jews who are primarily responsible for this sad state of affairs!  I&#8217;m convinced that John Kerry will really stick it to Israel if he is elected.  Unfortunately, the awful jobs report just dramatically increased the odds in his favor. President Bush is in deep trouble.</p>
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		<title>By: John Moore ( Useful Fools )</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Moore ( Useful Fools )</dc:creator>
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		<description>I wish that more Jews would recognize that the Democratic party is anti-Zionist. The best friends of Israel is on the right, both the religious right and the plain old right. Conservatives are just not interested in the kinds of mental gymnastics that the left goes through in their education, and hence tend to have a less nuanced, more realistic sense of fairness.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish that more Jews would recognize that the Democratic party is anti-Zionist. The best friends of Israel is on the right, both the religious right and the plain old right. Conservatives are just not interested in the kinds of mental gymnastics that the left goes through in their education, and hence tend to have a less nuanced, more realistic sense of fairness.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin P</title>
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		<description>Jerry:





The reason that this thread didn&#039;t take off is because of the swift boat thread. But it is also because this type of shocking racism has become so commonplace that it is becoming almost boring to the general population. The Left&#039;s embrace of the Zionism equals Racism slander has made the group that used to be the staunchest defenders of Israel and the Jewish race their most viscous attackers. The democratic party would rather ignore these early warning signs to appease the left wing of their party.Once again the Jews of the world have very few friends and even some of the people who claim to be their friends will ignore or appease their tormentors for political gain.Of course the Jews in America have more issues that they are concerned about and like all groups they are not of one mind on the question of Israel. But to those Jews who do care about Israel they should know that the Democratic Party, with exceptions of course, have swung radically to the mindset that Israel is no longer the Beacon of Democracy in the middle east but is the actual source of the instability in that region. It is a open question in the party as to whether or not the existence of a Jewish Democratic State of Israel is a good idea or not. There is beginning to be a rumbling among the intellectual leadership of the Dems that Israel should be folded into a greater Palestinian State with the Jews of this state slipping back to a minority party in this proposed state. The incident in Bay area and the ho-hum reaction to it is a sympton of this growing worldview.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerry:</p>
<p>The reason that this thread didn&#8217;t take off is because of the swift boat thread. But it is also because this type of shocking racism has become so commonplace that it is becoming almost boring to the general population. The Left&#8217;s embrace of the Zionism equals Racism slander has made the group that used to be the staunchest defenders of Israel and the Jewish race their most viscous attackers. The democratic party would rather ignore these early warning signs to appease the left wing of their party.Once again the Jews of the world have very few friends and even some of the people who claim to be their friends will ignore or appease their tormentors for political gain.Of course the Jews in America have more issues that they are concerned about and like all groups they are not of one mind on the question of Israel. But to those Jews who do care about Israel they should know that the Democratic Party, with exceptions of course, have swung radically to the mindset that Israel is no longer the Beacon of Democracy in the middle east but is the actual source of the instability in that region. It is a open question in the party as to whether or not the existence of a Jewish Democratic State of Israel is a good idea or not. There is beginning to be a rumbling among the intellectual leadership of the Dems that Israel should be folded into a greater Palestinian State with the Jews of this state slipping back to a minority party in this proposed state. The incident in Bay area and the ho-hum reaction to it is a sympton of this growing worldview.</p>
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		<title>By: PeterUK</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Aug 2004 03:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you gracious lady,but it behoves a man to get a lady&#039;s name right.
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		<title>By: Terrye</title>
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		<description>Peter:



You do not need to apologize to me. You are a perfect gentleman at all times. So British.
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<p>You do not need to apologize to me. You are a perfect gentleman at all times. So British.</p>
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		<title>By: PeterUK</title>
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		<dc:creator>PeterUK</dc:creator>
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