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		<title>By: PeterUK</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/07/20/sock-it-to-me-updated/#comment-2153</link>
		<dc:creator>PeterUK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2004 17:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Syl,

Surely if Berger thought he was above the rules he wouldn&#039;t have been hiding the documents.If he had had real chutzpah he would have got the archivists to run him off copies.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Syl,</p>
<p>Surely if Berger thought he was above the rules he wouldn&#8217;t have been hiding the documents.If he had had real chutzpah he would have got the archivists to run him off copies.</p>
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		<title>By: Hepzi</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/07/20/sock-it-to-me-updated/#comment-2152</link>
		<dc:creator>Hepzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2004 17:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is anyone else&#039;s intelligence insulted by the &quot;dishevelled absent minded professor&quot; defense?



I find it astounding that the National Security Advisor, for pity&#039;s sake, should be so casual about classified documents.   We&#039;re not talking some 22 year old congressional staffer here.



Makes you wonder what walked out off his desk while he served, and I can&#039;t help remembering the listening device which was discovered in Madeleine Albrights office several years ago....
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is anyone else&#8217;s intelligence insulted by the &#8220;dishevelled absent minded professor&#8221; defense?</p>
<p>I find it astounding that the National Security Advisor, for pity&#8217;s sake, should be so casual about classified documents.   We&#8217;re not talking some 22 year old congressional staffer here.</p>
<p>Makes you wonder what walked out off his desk while he served, and I can&#8217;t help remembering the listening device which was discovered in Madeleine Albrights office several years ago&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: DennisThePeasant</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/07/20/sock-it-to-me-updated/#comment-2151</link>
		<dc:creator>DennisThePeasant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2004 12:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would seem that in a previous life, our &lt;b&gt;Tano&lt;/b&gt; played with the band on the &lt;i&gt;Titanic&lt;/i&gt;...Hence the urge to fiddle on desperately to distract the crowd from larger issues.




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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would seem that in a previous life, our <b>Tano</b> played with the band on the <i>Titanic</i>&#8230;Hence the urge to fiddle on desperately to distract the crowd from larger issues.</p>
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		<title>By: HA</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/07/20/sock-it-to-me-updated/#comment-2150</link>
		<dc:creator>HA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2004 11:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael Ledeen,



&lt;i&gt;CNN&#039;s crawl seemed to be saying that at least some of the documents related to the original 1993 WTC bombing. Can we think out loud for a moment? What might be damaging in THOSE papers?&lt;/i&gt;



There is no way that the Berger Heister would have taken such a high risk unless the stakes were huge. So I think you&#039;re on to something.



CNN&#039;s crawler noted that the documents related to the &#039;93 WTC attack. I suspect that those documents related to Saddam&#039;s involvement to the first WTC attack, and furthermore, that a number of the suspects in the first attack were involved in the second attack. Note that the second attack must have occurred after the documents were produced. Such documents would make it impossible to bury Saddam&#039;s potential involvement in BOTH WTC attacks.



The Democrats are running against Bush by trying to undermine the war against Saddam. If there is evidence documented by the Clinton administration that Saddam was connected to BOTH the first WTC attack and the FOLLOW-UP attack, Bush wins re-election in a historic landslide. Furthermore, after their public pronouncments over the last year, the entire Democratic establishment would be disgraced by the disclosure of such documents.



How much risk would the Berger Heister take bury this information? Plenty if the stakes were the future of the Democratic party.




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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael Ledeen,</p>
<p><i>CNN&#8217;s crawl seemed to be saying that at least some of the documents related to the original 1993 WTC bombing. Can we think out loud for a moment? What might be damaging in THOSE papers?</i></p>
<p>There is no way that the Berger Heister would have taken such a high risk unless the stakes were huge. So I think you&#8217;re on to something.</p>
<p>CNN&#8217;s crawler noted that the documents related to the &#8217;93 WTC attack. I suspect that those documents related to Saddam&#8217;s involvement to the first WTC attack, and furthermore, that a number of the suspects in the first attack were involved in the second attack. Note that the second attack must have occurred after the documents were produced. Such documents would make it impossible to bury Saddam&#8217;s potential involvement in BOTH WTC attacks.</p>
<p>The Democrats are running against Bush by trying to undermine the war against Saddam. If there is evidence documented by the Clinton administration that Saddam was connected to BOTH the first WTC attack and the FOLLOW-UP attack, Bush wins re-election in a historic landslide. Furthermore, after their public pronouncments over the last year, the entire Democratic establishment would be disgraced by the disclosure of such documents.</p>
<p>How much risk would the Berger Heister take bury this information? Plenty if the stakes were the future of the Democratic party.</p>
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		<title>By: WichitaBoy</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2004/07/20/sock-it-to-me-updated/#comment-2149</link>
		<dc:creator>WichitaBoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2004 05:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why isn&#039;t Berger in custody right now?



Why is there one set of laws for Big People and another for little people? Some democracy. Correct me if I&#039;m wrong, but isn&#039;t removing classified documents without permission a felonious offense?



Why isn&#039;t Berger in custody right now?



Let me state it differently. Do you believe that if you, dear reader, removed classified documents without permission that you would be footloose and fancy free on the streets today? Or is it possible that you might be in the pokey pending further investigation?



Why isn&#039;t Berger in custody right now?



Apparently the political process is a grand farce in which the privileged convince us to support one group of millionaires or billionaires over the other--much as the millionaire professional athletes convince us to support one team of millionaires over the other--while the privileged elite are able to flaunt the laws under which we little people would be tossed in the can without a moment&#039;s thought.



Why are people like Tano taken in by this? Red thieves good! Blue thieves bad! Or is it the other way round?



Some democracy.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why isn&#8217;t Berger in custody right now?</p>
<p>Why is there one set of laws for Big People and another for little people? Some democracy. Correct me if I&#8217;m wrong, but isn&#8217;t removing classified documents without permission a felonious offense?</p>
<p>Why isn&#8217;t Berger in custody right now?</p>
<p>Let me state it differently. Do you believe that if you, dear reader, removed classified documents without permission that you would be footloose and fancy free on the streets today? Or is it possible that you might be in the pokey pending further investigation?</p>
<p>Why isn&#8217;t Berger in custody right now?</p>
<p>Apparently the political process is a grand farce in which the privileged convince us to support one group of millionaires or billionaires over the other&#8211;much as the millionaire professional athletes convince us to support one team of millionaires over the other&#8211;while the privileged elite are able to flaunt the laws under which we little people would be tossed in the can without a moment&#8217;s thought.</p>
<p>Why are people like Tano taken in by this? Red thieves good! Blue thieves bad! Or is it the other way round?</p>
<p>Some democracy.</p>
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		<title>By: TmjUtah</title>
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		<dc:creator>TmjUtah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2004 04:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tano has no point.



He quoted one statement made by Condoleeza Rice in response to the media storm about the forgery revalations, and I pointed out that the Brits subsequently acknowledged the existence of the forgery and their continued confidence in their analysis based on other sources.  What he&#039;s talking about after that, I haven&#039;t a clue.  I pointed out that Wilson&#039;s published opinions and claims have been thoroughly gutted by the Commission.



Quoting Roger, from the originating blogpost:



&lt;i&gt;&quot;So this has been, so far, the Summer of Disgrace - first Wilson, now Berger and to me much of the mainstream media. Fear of the truth and propaganda rule, lest Bush get elected!&lt;/i&gt;&quot;



Chuck, it&#039;s all the same topic.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tano has no point.</p>
<p>He quoted one statement made by Condoleeza Rice in response to the media storm about the forgery revalations, and I pointed out that the Brits subsequently acknowledged the existence of the forgery and their continued confidence in their analysis based on other sources.  What he&#8217;s talking about after that, I haven&#8217;t a clue.  I pointed out that Wilson&#8217;s published opinions and claims have been thoroughly gutted by the Commission.</p>
<p>Quoting Roger, from the originating blogpost:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;So this has been, so far, the Summer of Disgrace &#8211; first Wilson, now Berger and to me much of the mainstream media. Fear of the truth and propaganda rule, lest Bush get elected!</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Chuck, it&#8217;s all the same topic.</p>
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		<title>By: rgvdh</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2004 03:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sandy P writes:



&quot;Also, I am told that an effort is being made--either by the press or the Kerry/Berger camp; it&#039;s not very clear....&quot;



What isn&#039;t very clear is what the difference is between the press and the Kerry campaign.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sandy P writes:</p>
<p>&#8220;Also, I am told that an effort is being made&#8211;either by the press or the Kerry/Berger camp; it&#8217;s not very clear&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>What isn&#8217;t very clear is what the difference is between the press and the Kerry campaign.</p>
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		<title>By: Roberts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2004 03:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, now we know why Kerry hasn&#039;t been to any administration intel briefings ... he&#039;s got a pipeline into the backpocket of someone&#039;s pants ... err, I mean memos.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, now we know why Kerry hasn&#8217;t been to any administration intel briefings &#8230; he&#8217;s got a pipeline into the backpocket of someone&#8217;s pants &#8230; err, I mean memos.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2004 03:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roger:

Poor Sandy.Even Matthew Yglesias and Josh Marshall have jumped ship. The democrats have cut him lose and he is lost in the Perfect Storm.They are backstroking away from him in record times that would qualify them for Athens 2004.The only question now is whether any of the documents were originals , not copies, which documents are &quot;lost&quot; and whether the 9-11 commision actually saw the ones that are missing.I think the LA Times might actually cover this story now. It might even make the front page.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger:</p>
<p>Poor Sandy.Even Matthew Yglesias and Josh Marshall have jumped ship. The democrats have cut him lose and he is lost in the Perfect Storm.They are backstroking away from him in record times that would qualify them for Athens 2004.The only question now is whether any of the documents were originals , not copies, which documents are &#8220;lost&#8221; and whether the 9-11 commision actually saw the ones that are missing.I think the LA Times might actually cover this story now. It might even make the front page.</p>
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		<title>By: Syl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Syl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2004 03:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the more I think about the old sock stuffer, the more I think it was merely incompetence and laziness and an attitude of &#039;rules don&#039;t apply to me&#039;.



However my Joe hopes he goes to jail. It doesn&#039;t happen often in cases such as these (and there are many many many that never hit the papers). There seem to be a lot of people here who have worked with classified stuff. My Joe is one of them too..in fact he taught classification management for the Defense Dept for years and helped write the FOIA stuff. (Which is why the FBI investigated me the moment Joe moved in.)



Anyway, that footnotes thing got me hysterical. I tried to tell Joe that the only thing Berger stuffed in his socks was the footnotes, but was laughing too hard to get it out of my mouth.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the more I think about the old sock stuffer, the more I think it was merely incompetence and laziness and an attitude of &#8216;rules don&#8217;t apply to me&#8217;.</p>
<p>However my Joe hopes he goes to jail. It doesn&#8217;t happen often in cases such as these (and there are many many many that never hit the papers). There seem to be a lot of people here who have worked with classified stuff. My Joe is one of them too..in fact he taught classification management for the Defense Dept for years and helped write the FOIA stuff. (Which is why the FBI investigated me the moment Joe moved in.)</p>
<p>Anyway, that footnotes thing got me hysterical. I tried to tell Joe that the only thing Berger stuffed in his socks was the footnotes, but was laughing too hard to get it out of my mouth.</p>
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