# 24 Michael DeLong:

“But how does this justify atrocities committed by the Spanish and British? Moreover, at this time the British were persecuting religious dissenters and committing huge massacres in Ireland, and the Spanish were burning heretics and killing or forcibly converting Muslims and Jews in their lands.
None of these things are excusable. Surely the cultures could have been improved, and without this we wouldn’t be where we are today. But at the time were the Europeans morally superior to the Native Americans? And if so, does this mean that the conquest and subjection (and in some cases, massacres and ethnic cleansing) of other societies is justified if it leads to civilization? And who and what defines civilization?”

Oh boy, another moron who should be sent to live in North Korea or Iran or Somalia or Sudan to understand what defines civilization.
You don’t deserve to live here.