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		<title>By: Erika Animashaun</title>
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		<title>By: LB Hagen</title>
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		<dc:creator>LB Hagen</dc:creator>
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		<description>Obama’s Muslim Political Correctness Doctrine; Where’s The Purple Hearts For Fort Hood Hero’s?
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		<title>By: Jim Boyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Boyd</dc:creator>
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		<description>Hosted by a military artist at his site, Delta Bravo Sierra:
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		<title>By: Soda Jerk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Soda Jerk</dc:creator>
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		<description>After coming into contact with a religious man I always feel I must wash my hands. [F. Nietzsche] [Ecce Homo]
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# 85:  E.H. Colver


May I comment on your post.



1.  &quot;I am an American born Muslim....&quot;  This is too vague.  Do you mean you were born in the USA to a Moslem (sic) family and thereby acquired your religion as part of your family tradition?  In other words, your parents were immigrants to this country who happened to be Moslem.  


Or do you mean you converted into Islam from another religion on your own?  The difference is crucial in understanding where you&#039;re coming from.



2.  It would also be vital to know if you adhere to the Shia or Sunni branches of Islam.  Why this would be vital to know would take too long
to explain here, but it is a fundamental aspect of your religion that cannot be ignored.



The Ft. Hood Butcher obviously belonged to the first group:  his parents were Moslem immigrants and he was Moslem at birth as part of
his family&#039;s tradition.  He was no convert.  Whether he was Sunni or Shia I don&#039;t know and no one seems to deem it important to know (but
of course, it is important).



3.  It would also be important to know your &quot;nationality&quot;.  Although Islam claims to be &quot;one&quot;, the fact remains that there are huge
differences between, say, an Arab Moslem and a Pakistani Moslem, let alone an Indonesian and so forth.



4.  In any case, I am extremely dubious of anyone claiming to be both American and Moslem.  You may have been born in the USA to Moslem
parents, but unless you led an extremely cloistered life in your youth, your religion would long ago have become &quot;a part of your youth&quot; and little more.  


American culture in its broadest sense is fundamentally incompatible with Islam, even Islam-Lite. 



As is well known, most 2nd generation Americans literally &quot;detest&quot; the background - religious, linguistic, etc - of their parents, are ashamed of it and do everything they can to distance themselves from it.  By the 3d generation, that background has evaporated entirely and has no influence at all on that 3d generation.



5.  One cannot be a part-time Moslem in the same way that many Westerners are, in a sense, part-time Christians.  


One can claim to be a Moslem but, to take just a couple of examples,  unless one actually really prays 5 times a day (every day) and unless one actually really goes without food,water,cigarettes and sex during the entire month of Ramadhan from sunup to sunset, then one is simply claiming to be Moslem but really isn&#039;t.



In short, I don&#039;t see how a practicing Moslem can possibly survive in modern day America given the strict code of conduct Islam imposes
on its adherants in even the most trivial of everyday events.




Bottom Line?  No one is &quot;disparaging&quot; your service to the US, but at the same time, stating you&#039;re an American Moslem doesn&#039;t clarify much
or carry much weight.  It&#039;s not your patriotism to the USA that I distrust; it&#039;s the depth and sincerity of your purported Moslem faith
that I am wary of.  


I suspect you are a convert to Islam.  If that&#039;s the case,
then you should know that Islam isn&#039;t and wasn&#039;t meant for you.



The Koran itself states, in various places, that Islam was brought down for the Arab people.


To take just one instance in Koran 12:1-2 we find the following admonishment:


&quot;These are the Verses of the Perspicuous Book. We have sent it down as an Arabic Qur’ân in order that you may learn wisdom.” 



Most Arab Moslems barely recognize non-Arab Moslems as true Moslems.  They won&#039;t tell you that, but that&#039;s what they really believe.



Where the Butcher of Ft. Hood enters and fits into all this maelstrom is yet to be determined (although I have my own theory).


Where you enter and fit in, only you can decide.



Pax Vobiscum</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After coming into contact with a religious man I always feel I must wash my hands. [F. Nietzsche] [Ecce Homo]<br />
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<p># 85:  E.H. Colver</p>
<p>May I comment on your post.</p>
<p>1.  &#8220;I am an American born Muslim&#8230;.&#8221;  This is too vague.  Do you mean you were born in the USA to a Moslem (sic) family and thereby acquired your religion as part of your family tradition?  In other words, your parents were immigrants to this country who happened to be Moslem.  </p>
<p>Or do you mean you converted into Islam from another religion on your own?  The difference is crucial in understanding where you&#8217;re coming from.</p>
<p>2.  It would also be vital to know if you adhere to the Shia or Sunni branches of Islam.  Why this would be vital to know would take too long<br />
to explain here, but it is a fundamental aspect of your religion that cannot be ignored.</p>
<p>The Ft. Hood Butcher obviously belonged to the first group:  his parents were Moslem immigrants and he was Moslem at birth as part of<br />
his family&#8217;s tradition.  He was no convert.  Whether he was Sunni or Shia I don&#8217;t know and no one seems to deem it important to know (but<br />
of course, it is important).</p>
<p>3.  It would also be important to know your &#8220;nationality&#8221;.  Although Islam claims to be &#8220;one&#8221;, the fact remains that there are huge<br />
differences between, say, an Arab Moslem and a Pakistani Moslem, let alone an Indonesian and so forth.</p>
<p>4.  In any case, I am extremely dubious of anyone claiming to be both American and Moslem.  You may have been born in the USA to Moslem<br />
parents, but unless you led an extremely cloistered life in your youth, your religion would long ago have become &#8220;a part of your youth&#8221; and little more.  </p>
<p>American culture in its broadest sense is fundamentally incompatible with Islam, even Islam-Lite. </p>
<p>As is well known, most 2nd generation Americans literally &#8220;detest&#8221; the background &#8211; religious, linguistic, etc &#8211; of their parents, are ashamed of it and do everything they can to distance themselves from it.  By the 3d generation, that background has evaporated entirely and has no influence at all on that 3d generation.</p>
<p>5.  One cannot be a part-time Moslem in the same way that many Westerners are, in a sense, part-time Christians.  </p>
<p>One can claim to be a Moslem but, to take just a couple of examples,  unless one actually really prays 5 times a day (every day) and unless one actually really goes without food,water,cigarettes and sex during the entire month of Ramadhan from sunup to sunset, then one is simply claiming to be Moslem but really isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>In short, I don&#8217;t see how a practicing Moslem can possibly survive in modern day America given the strict code of conduct Islam imposes<br />
on its adherants in even the most trivial of everyday events.</p>
<p>Bottom Line?  No one is &#8220;disparaging&#8221; your service to the US, but at the same time, stating you&#8217;re an American Moslem doesn&#8217;t clarify much<br />
or carry much weight.  It&#8217;s not your patriotism to the USA that I distrust; it&#8217;s the depth and sincerity of your purported Moslem faith<br />
that I am wary of.  </p>
<p>I suspect you are a convert to Islam.  If that&#8217;s the case,<br />
then you should know that Islam isn&#8217;t and wasn&#8217;t meant for you.</p>
<p>The Koran itself states, in various places, that Islam was brought down for the Arab people.</p>
<p>To take just one instance in Koran 12:1-2 we find the following admonishment:</p>
<p>&#8220;These are the Verses of the Perspicuous Book. We have sent it down as an Arabic Qur’ân in order that you may learn wisdom.” </p>
<p>Most Arab Moslems barely recognize non-Arab Moslems as true Moslems.  They won&#8217;t tell you that, but that&#8217;s what they really believe.</p>
<p>Where the Butcher of Ft. Hood enters and fits into all this maelstrom is yet to be determined (although I have my own theory).</p>
<p>Where you enter and fit in, only you can decide.</p>
<p>Pax Vobiscum</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 17:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heres a bit of irony for you: when Obama made his announcement about the Fort Hood shootings he was attending a Tribal nations conference and before he mentioned the shootings he gave a shout out to Dr. Joe Medicine Crow--that Congressional medal of Honor winner. Now Joe Medicine Crow served with distinction in WWII and Im sure he was brave, but he did NOT win the Medal of Honor. A bill recommending he be nominated for the Congressional Gold Medal(which is an entirely different award from the medal of Honor) was introduced in 2008, but he didnt get the award. His Bronze Star was awarded in 2008 after his exploits were publicized in Ken Burns PBS series The War. His doctorates are both honorary. So President Obama, in addition to ignoring the tragedy at Ft Hood while he breezed along like a toastmaster at the Elks Club, fabricated a couple of whoppers about the person he was trying to honor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heres a bit of irony for you: when Obama made his announcement about the Fort Hood shootings he was attending a Tribal nations conference and before he mentioned the shootings he gave a shout out to Dr. Joe Medicine Crow&#8211;that Congressional medal of Honor winner. Now Joe Medicine Crow served with distinction in WWII and Im sure he was brave, but he did NOT win the Medal of Honor. A bill recommending he be nominated for the Congressional Gold Medal(which is an entirely different award from the medal of Honor) was introduced in 2008, but he didnt get the award. His Bronze Star was awarded in 2008 after his exploits were publicized in Ken Burns PBS series The War. His doctorates are both honorary. So President Obama, in addition to ignoring the tragedy at Ft Hood while he breezed along like a toastmaster at the Elks Club, fabricated a couple of whoppers about the person he was trying to honor.</p>
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		<title>By: michelle from ny</title>
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		<dc:creator>michelle from ny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since nobodys said it yet, permit me to be the first. 

By committing an Intolerable list of acts against the interests of the United States, from creating a Wake Island out of Afghanistan by not sending requested reinforcements to steering this country down the road of multi trillion dollar bankruptcy, to purloining the largest manufacturing corporations in the United States; the means of production, to refusing to take responsibility for the first terrorist attack on American soil since 9/11, President Barack Obama has effectively jumped the shark. 

Now, his only hope for re-election is to conspire to register people guaranteed to vote for Obama.

This very subject, my friends, is getting the most day to day attention in the White House. Obamas minions are considering the following: automatic voter registration for anyone who has business at the department of motor vehicles. Anybody receiving a new social security card. Anyone who is employed by a local, state or the federal government.

Plus, all members of labor unions are to automatically receive a voter registration card, and are to be reminded by their supervisors to vote. All teachers graduating from college and receiving teachers licenses will receive a voter registration card. All who receive licenses to sell real estate or insurance also will be automatically registered Democrat. And on and on and on. 

Of course, all immigrants, legal or not, will receive Democratic voter registration cards.

President Obama and his merry men (and this includes Pelosi) can no longer depend on ACORN to steal votes for them to tip close elections. 

Thats why creative new ways to automatically register people Democrats are now in the works. And Obama lawyers are now looking into ways to reward new voter registration cards for voting Democratic.

That this is an illegal use of the government is indisputable. But who will enforce the law? Eric Holder? 

Obama now can have his cake and eat it, too. Will this someday result in Obama being led out of the White House in handcuffs? 
Its possible. At least now we know what theyre up to. I like nothing better than outing inside information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since nobodys said it yet, permit me to be the first. </p>
<p>By committing an Intolerable list of acts against the interests of the United States, from creating a Wake Island out of Afghanistan by not sending requested reinforcements to steering this country down the road of multi trillion dollar bankruptcy, to purloining the largest manufacturing corporations in the United States; the means of production, to refusing to take responsibility for the first terrorist attack on American soil since 9/11, President Barack Obama has effectively jumped the shark. </p>
<p>Now, his only hope for re-election is to conspire to register people guaranteed to vote for Obama.</p>
<p>This very subject, my friends, is getting the most day to day attention in the White House. Obamas minions are considering the following: automatic voter registration for anyone who has business at the department of motor vehicles. Anybody receiving a new social security card. Anyone who is employed by a local, state or the federal government.</p>
<p>Plus, all members of labor unions are to automatically receive a voter registration card, and are to be reminded by their supervisors to vote. All teachers graduating from college and receiving teachers licenses will receive a voter registration card. All who receive licenses to sell real estate or insurance also will be automatically registered Democrat. And on and on and on. </p>
<p>Of course, all immigrants, legal or not, will receive Democratic voter registration cards.</p>
<p>President Obama and his merry men (and this includes Pelosi) can no longer depend on ACORN to steal votes for them to tip close elections. </p>
<p>Thats why creative new ways to automatically register people Democrats are now in the works. And Obama lawyers are now looking into ways to reward new voter registration cards for voting Democratic.</p>
<p>That this is an illegal use of the government is indisputable. But who will enforce the law? Eric Holder? </p>
<p>Obama now can have his cake and eat it, too. Will this someday result in Obama being led out of the White House in handcuffs?<br />
Its possible. At least now we know what theyre up to. I like nothing better than outing inside information.</p>
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		<title>By: Eugene H. Colver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eugene H. Colver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 08:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am an American born Muslim who served 29 years in the US Army and retired as a Command Sergeant Major.  I was decorated several times and feel my service to this wonderful country was exemplary.  While I share everones anger at the event at Fort Hood I deeply resent any implication that a Muslim in the US Army should be viewed with a jaundiced eye.  Vigilance is necessary but please no lynch mob!! I gave you 29 years of faithful service, please do not now disparage my service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am an American born Muslim who served 29 years in the US Army and retired as a Command Sergeant Major.  I was decorated several times and feel my service to this wonderful country was exemplary.  While I share everones anger at the event at Fort Hood I deeply resent any implication that a Muslim in the US Army should be viewed with a jaundiced eye.  Vigilance is necessary but please no lynch mob!! I gave you 29 years of faithful service, please do not now disparage my service.</p>
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		<title>By: myth buster</title>
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		<dc:creator>myth buster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 02:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>82. Theres always the Nagasaki solution- a couple of nukes going off will make even the most rabid fanatic wet his pants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>82. Theres always the Nagasaki solution- a couple of nukes going off will make even the most rabid fanatic wet his pants.</p>
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		<title>By: Summarizing Fort Hood laquo; Tai-Chi Policy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Summarizing Fort Hood laquo; Tai-Chi Policy</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] What has been the Democrats#8217; responses? The act isn#8217;t something they can understand, it doesn#8217;t fit in their worldview (i.e. everything wrong in the world is Bush#8217;s fault). They want the story to go away, it#8217;s detracting from their attempts to takeover the healthcare industry. And they don#8217;t want to confront a violent theology. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] What has been the Democrats#8217; responses? The act isn#8217;t something they can understand, it doesn#8217;t fit in their worldview (i.e. everything wrong in the world is Bush#8217;s fault). They want the story to go away, it#8217;s detracting from their attempts to takeover the healthcare industry. And they don#8217;t want to confront a violent theology. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Rostrom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich Rostrom</dc:creator>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a point you may not have considered: awarding the Purple Heart to the Fort Hood wounded might imply that Hasan&#039;s attack was an act of war against a military target - which is generally not considered &quot;terrorism&quot;. Do we want to go there?

There are some precedents to be considered. Were Purple Hearts issued to those wounded in the attack on USS COLE? &quot;tom jefferson&quot; mentions military personnel killed or wounded on 9/11. There was at least one incident of a traitorous U.S. soldier attacking other soldiers at a base in Iraq, with several soldiers killed or wounded; were Purple Hearts awarded after that?

As to your general point about Islam. Yes, there is a stifling layer of political correctness which denies the link between core elements of Islamic belief and jihadi terrorism despite irrefutable evidence.

On the other hand... the jihadis have killed more Moslems than anyone else (except maybe the Russians in Chechnya), and more soldiers from Moslem countries have died fighting jihadism than Americans. Pakistan alone has lost about 3,000 men killed fighting the Taliban; the Algerian army has lost many men fighting their murderous Islamist insurgency; and a lot of Iraqi and Afghan soldiers have died fighting alongside Americans.

To declare that Islam itself is essentially hostile would be to validate the jihadists&#039; claim and make enemies of all those people. Do we want to go there? I am afraid we may have to; but it&#039;s not a decision to be made lightly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a point you may not have considered: awarding the Purple Heart to the Fort Hood wounded might imply that Hasan&#8217;s attack was an act of war against a military target &#8211; which is generally not considered &#8220;terrorism&#8221;. Do we want to go there?</p>
<p>There are some precedents to be considered. Were Purple Hearts issued to those wounded in the attack on USS COLE? &#8220;tom jefferson&#8221; mentions military personnel killed or wounded on 9/11. There was at least one incident of a traitorous U.S. soldier attacking other soldiers at a base in Iraq, with several soldiers killed or wounded; were Purple Hearts awarded after that?</p>
<p>As to your general point about Islam. Yes, there is a stifling layer of political correctness which denies the link between core elements of Islamic belief and jihadi terrorism despite irrefutable evidence.</p>
<p>On the other hand&#8230; the jihadis have killed more Moslems than anyone else (except maybe the Russians in Chechnya), and more soldiers from Moslem countries have died fighting jihadism than Americans. Pakistan alone has lost about 3,000 men killed fighting the Taliban; the Algerian army has lost many men fighting their murderous Islamist insurgency; and a lot of Iraqi and Afghan soldiers have died fighting alongside Americans.</p>
<p>To declare that Islam itself is essentially hostile would be to validate the jihadists&#8217; claim and make enemies of all those people. Do we want to go there? I am afraid we may have to; but it&#8217;s not a decision to be made lightly.</p>
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