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		<title>By: Lunchtime Boob Job</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/2009/11/08/what-it-means/#comment-113388</link>
		<dc:creator>Lunchtime Boob Job</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 17:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;tax&quot; and &quot;fees&quot; are never good</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;tax&#8221; and &#8220;fees&#8221; are never good</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Salmony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Salmony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 17:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another lesson..........

&quot;They go on in strange paradox, decided only to be undecided, resolved to be irresolute, adamant for drift, solid for fluidity, all-powerful to be impotent… Owing to past neglect, in the face of the plainest warnings, we have entered upon a period of danger. The era of procrastination, of half measures, of soothing and baffling expedience of delays, is coming to its close. In its place we are entering a period of consequences…. We cannot avoid this period, we are in it now…” 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another lesson&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8220;They go on in strange paradox, decided only to be undecided, resolved to be irresolute, adamant for drift, solid for fluidity, all-powerful to be impotent… Owing to past neglect, in the face of the plainest warnings, we have entered upon a period of danger. The era of procrastination, of half measures, of soothing and baffling expedience of delays, is coming to its close. In its place we are entering a period of consequences…. We cannot avoid this period, we are in it now…”<br />
- Winston Churchill, November 12, 1936</p>
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		<title>By: Roger&#8217;s Rules &#187; Humor from Jacob Weisberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger&#8217;s Rules &#187; Humor from Jacob Weisberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 18:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Obamacare, were we ever so unfortunate to as to be its victims, would be a gargantuan disaster. As I have observed before, the Obama-Reid-Pelosi assault on American health care is only incidentally concerned with medical [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Obamacare, were we ever so unfortunate to as to be its victims, would be a gargantuan disaster. As I have observed before, the Obama-Reid-Pelosi assault on American health care is only incidentally concerned with medical [...]</p>
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		<title>By: originofhalloween</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 15:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] So for all that considered this a magic bullet, I hope you are patient, because this will be a long time in coming and the results will be higher taxes and fewer jobs. If you don#8217;t like those ideas, contact your representatives as well #8230;. Tell Democrat Senators that if they vote for any health -care reform bill, that you#8217;ll actively support their opponent with your voice and your wallet. You might even promise them a one-time donation if they vote against it (of course #8230;Continue Reading#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] So for all that considered this a magic bullet, I hope you are patient, because this will be a long time in coming and the results will be higher taxes and fewer jobs. If you don#8217;t like those ideas, contact your representatives as well #8230;. Tell Democrat Senators that if they vote for any health -care reform bill, that you#8217;ll actively support their opponent with your voice and your wallet. You might even promise them a one-time donation if they vote against it (of course #8230;Continue Reading#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Delia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Delia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>136. Anjika,

Your story was very compelling and I feel exactly the same way as you! I&#039;d rather have the OPPORTUNITY to go into debt in order to save my daughter&#039;s, husband&#039;s or my own life! 

Money means very little when it comes to life and limb. I know if my daughter were dying, I would give a frick less about money and I&#039;d sell my home and spend every last dollar I could to save her. If the government turns that scenario in to a &#039;waiting game&#039; nightmare or worse a &#039;refusal&#039; then what happens to my child?????

This &#039;health/death-care&#039; crap is nothing more than a power grabbing scheme that is going to 
bankrupt our country and reduce our citizenry to corralled barnyard animals.

Government run &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/11/11/the_us_house_of_presumptuous_meddlers_99099.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;health-care&lt;/a&gt;?

:(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>136. Anjika,</p>
<p>Your story was very compelling and I feel exactly the same way as you! I&#8217;d rather have the OPPORTUNITY to go into debt in order to save my daughter&#8217;s, husband&#8217;s or my own life! </p>
<p>Money means very little when it comes to life and limb. I know if my daughter were dying, I would give a frick less about money and I&#8217;d sell my home and spend every last dollar I could to save her. If the government turns that scenario in to a &#8216;waiting game&#8217; nightmare or worse a &#8216;refusal&#8217; then what happens to my child?????</p>
<p>This &#8216;health/death-care&#8217; crap is nothing more than a power grabbing scheme that is going to<br />
bankrupt our country and reduce our citizenry to corralled barnyard animals.</p>
<p>Government run <a href="http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/11/11/the_us_house_of_presumptuous_meddlers_99099.html" rel="nofollow">health-care</a>?</p>
<p> <img src='http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: jimmy</title>
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		<dc:creator>jimmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 07:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Expat Americans Beware!&lt;/b&gt;  The Healthcare bill in will require every American Citizen living abroad to file taxes every year and to pay a tax up to $1900.  &lt;b&gt;You won&#039;t be able to use the new healthcare, but you will get to pay $1900 for it!&lt;/b&gt;

&quot;Democrats Abroad&quot; is working with Senate staff to include an exemption for Americans residing abroad.

I would advise American Citizens who live abroad from the United States should send emails and faxes as &lt;a href=&quot;http://muqata.blogspot.com/2009/11/health-care-bill-taxes-american-abroad.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;recommended here&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Expat Americans Beware!</b>  The Healthcare bill in will require every American Citizen living abroad to file taxes every year and to pay a tax up to $1900.  <b>You won&#8217;t be able to use the new healthcare, but you will get to pay $1900 for it!</b></p>
<p>&#8220;Democrats Abroad&#8221; is working with Senate staff to include an exemption for Americans residing abroad.</p>
<p>I would advise American Citizens who live abroad from the United States should send emails and faxes as <a href="http://muqata.blogspot.com/2009/11/health-care-bill-taxes-american-abroad.html" rel="nofollow"><b>recommended here</b></a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Anjika</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anjika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm... for those who think passage of the &quot;healthcare&quot; bill would actually be good for sick people, here&#039;s my story:

A few years ago, I developed a bad joint/muscle problem at an unusually young age. As a result, I accumulated ruinous debt because of medical bills. 

Many, er, compassionate people might think therefore that I&#039;m a natural advocate for more government intervention in health care.

But though I got into debt, I also got cured. The way I see it, cases like mine, debt and all, are an argument for *less* government intervention in health care, not more:

In other countries, I wouldn&#039;t have gone into as much debt, true -- because I wouldn&#039;t have been cured. It took the ingenuity of an independent-minded  doctor willing to innovate (not a doctor following a centrally-approved protocol) to figure out what exactly was wrong and what would help me. I know that the treatments that finally helped me are unavailable in other countries. In another country, I probably would&#039;ve just been given opiates for the pain and been told to go on the dole as &quot;permanently disabled&quot;.

So yes, I got into debt and my credit rating (for now) is &quot;ruined&quot;. But that&#039;s a small price to pay for getting healthy -- getting a second chance to be a productive member of society! 

Once I began to get well, I began paying off my debts through part-time work. Now I&#039;m finishing my degree. I just got married. I have a future again! 

In a country with a more centralized medical regime, I wouldn&#039;t have had this opportunity. 

When I heard that the &quot;healthcare&quot; bill passed the House, I sat down and cried. I felt guilty for putting time into my studies instead of doing my civic duty in vocally opposing this monstrosity.

My degree is in a &quot;hard&quot; science. But now I&#039;m thinking that instead of continuing in that field, I should switch to economics and become a more  active advocate of freedom. We have so much to lose (and we&#039;ve lost so much already). 

This former &quot;sicko&quot; is more than happy to take a stand with the &quot;party of no&quot; against these alleged &quot;reforms&quot; that would further limit our health freedoms. Insofar as I am my brother&#039;s keeper, I could think of nothing crueler than to further limit his freedoms over his own body should he fall ill.

There are ways to improve health care in this country. Allow purchase of insurance across state lines, tort reform, etc. But not this bill! Please not this bill! This bill is how *not* to love your neighbor!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm&#8230; for those who think passage of the &#8220;healthcare&#8221; bill would actually be good for sick people, here&#8217;s my story:</p>
<p>A few years ago, I developed a bad joint/muscle problem at an unusually young age. As a result, I accumulated ruinous debt because of medical bills. </p>
<p>Many, er, compassionate people might think therefore that I&#8217;m a natural advocate for more government intervention in health care.</p>
<p>But though I got into debt, I also got cured. The way I see it, cases like mine, debt and all, are an argument for *less* government intervention in health care, not more:</p>
<p>In other countries, I wouldn&#8217;t have gone into as much debt, true &#8212; because I wouldn&#8217;t have been cured. It took the ingenuity of an independent-minded  doctor willing to innovate (not a doctor following a centrally-approved protocol) to figure out what exactly was wrong and what would help me. I know that the treatments that finally helped me are unavailable in other countries. In another country, I probably would&#8217;ve just been given opiates for the pain and been told to go on the dole as &#8220;permanently disabled&#8221;.</p>
<p>So yes, I got into debt and my credit rating (for now) is &#8220;ruined&#8221;. But that&#8217;s a small price to pay for getting healthy &#8212; getting a second chance to be a productive member of society! </p>
<p>Once I began to get well, I began paying off my debts through part-time work. Now I&#8217;m finishing my degree. I just got married. I have a future again! </p>
<p>In a country with a more centralized medical regime, I wouldn&#8217;t have had this opportunity. </p>
<p>When I heard that the &#8220;healthcare&#8221; bill passed the House, I sat down and cried. I felt guilty for putting time into my studies instead of doing my civic duty in vocally opposing this monstrosity.</p>
<p>My degree is in a &#8220;hard&#8221; science. But now I&#8217;m thinking that instead of continuing in that field, I should switch to economics and become a more  active advocate of freedom. We have so much to lose (and we&#8217;ve lost so much already). </p>
<p>This former &#8220;sicko&#8221; is more than happy to take a stand with the &#8220;party of no&#8221; against these alleged &#8220;reforms&#8221; that would further limit our health freedoms. Insofar as I am my brother&#8217;s keeper, I could think of nothing crueler than to further limit his freedoms over his own body should he fall ill.</p>
<p>There are ways to improve health care in this country. Allow purchase of insurance across state lines, tort reform, etc. But not this bill! Please not this bill! This bill is how *not* to love your neighbor!</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some very good comments here. Refreshing to know that Americans are waking up...albiet a bit late, hopefully not too late! As many have already said, this Health &quot;CARE&quot; bill is simply one of many steps designed and intended to disrupt American economy and bleed American wealth into a caldron of stolen humanity. I find it interesting if not intolerable that so many of us continue to refer to Obama as &quot;Our President&quot;. This man is not and never will be a legitimate President. I, for one, am tired of waiting for him to &quot;Prove&quot; as every president before him has had to do...that he is a Natural born American citizen! He hasn&#039;t, he won&#039;t..he can&#039;t! He is simply a foreign pawn placed on the board by our enemies for the purpose of destroying our country. This &quot;Health&quot; sharade is but one of thousands of phoney ploys intended to disrupt, destroy, endanger, imprison and impoverish American citizens. We have been mislead and lied to! So few of us even understand that the &quot;Federal Government&quot; illegally established in 1913 is not owned or operated by &quot;our&quot; government! It is a privately owned organization formed in the dead of night (just like this Health Care Bill) for the purpose and intention of stealing American wealth. It was the first giant step in a Century&#039;s old ongoing plan to concur a people that could not be beaten by physical might. They chose the stealthy approach...and they have all but succeeded already. This &quot;Health Care&quot; bill is simply another ploy, another distraction, another link in a huge chain of tools designed to chip away at the very fabric of this once great nation. Our Freedom, our Liberty, our Independence, our Pride...and more importantly, our Heritage! Let us hope that the American people still have the courage to fight. If we can only remember that these politicians and lawmakers only amount to aproximately 550 (human beings?) and that they are making laws and policies (which they often put themselves above) for aproximately 250 million American citizens...we must defeat them and we must start by defeating this Health Care bill!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some very good comments here. Refreshing to know that Americans are waking up&#8230;albiet a bit late, hopefully not too late! As many have already said, this Health &#8220;CARE&#8221; bill is simply one of many steps designed and intended to disrupt American economy and bleed American wealth into a caldron of stolen humanity. I find it interesting if not intolerable that so many of us continue to refer to Obama as &#8220;Our President&#8221;. This man is not and never will be a legitimate President. I, for one, am tired of waiting for him to &#8220;Prove&#8221; as every president before him has had to do&#8230;that he is a Natural born American citizen! He hasn&#8217;t, he won&#8217;t..he can&#8217;t! He is simply a foreign pawn placed on the board by our enemies for the purpose of destroying our country. This &#8220;Health&#8221; sharade is but one of thousands of phoney ploys intended to disrupt, destroy, endanger, imprison and impoverish American citizens. We have been mislead and lied to! So few of us even understand that the &#8220;Federal Government&#8221; illegally established in 1913 is not owned or operated by &#8220;our&#8221; government! It is a privately owned organization formed in the dead of night (just like this Health Care Bill) for the purpose and intention of stealing American wealth. It was the first giant step in a Century&#8217;s old ongoing plan to concur a people that could not be beaten by physical might. They chose the stealthy approach&#8230;and they have all but succeeded already. This &#8220;Health Care&#8221; bill is simply another ploy, another distraction, another link in a huge chain of tools designed to chip away at the very fabric of this once great nation. Our Freedom, our Liberty, our Independence, our Pride&#8230;and more importantly, our Heritage! Let us hope that the American people still have the courage to fight. If we can only remember that these politicians and lawmakers only amount to aproximately 550 (human beings?) and that they are making laws and policies (which they often put themselves above) for aproximately 250 million American citizens&#8230;we must defeat them and we must start by defeating this Health Care bill!</p>
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		<title>By: venividivici</title>
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		<dc:creator>venividivici</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;119. Albert:

For so many of the people here who are very close to being diagnosed as being a danger to themselves or others, i.e. insane, you will be grateful, I’m sure, when you are able to afford the cost of your lengthly treatment for paranoid psychosis, because of health care reform.&lt;/i&gt;

Wow, this is so awesomely persuasive, I&#039;m going to start supporting ObamaCare 100%.

How exactly am I a danger to myself or others, when left alone? It&#039;s when scum like you try to rob me that I become a danger, not to myself, but to you. Ergo, don&#039;t try to rob me and there won&#039;t be any problem. It seems you&#039;re the one who&#039;s a danger to others, reaching into their wallets where you don&#039;t belong. Your smug little self just seems to think it&#039;s got a right to be there. Now that&#039;s insane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>119. Albert:</p>
<p>For so many of the people here who are very close to being diagnosed as being a danger to themselves or others, i.e. insane, you will be grateful, I’m sure, when you are able to afford the cost of your lengthly treatment for paranoid psychosis, because of health care reform.</i></p>
<p>Wow, this is so awesomely persuasive, I&#8217;m going to start supporting ObamaCare 100%.</p>
<p>How exactly am I a danger to myself or others, when left alone? It&#8217;s when scum like you try to rob me that I become a danger, not to myself, but to you. Ergo, don&#8217;t try to rob me and there won&#8217;t be any problem. It seems you&#8217;re the one who&#8217;s a danger to others, reaching into their wallets where you don&#8217;t belong. Your smug little self just seems to think it&#8217;s got a right to be there. Now that&#8217;s insane.</p>
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		<title>By: Seraphim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seraphim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[121.], can&#039;t forget the incense and peppermints for the downtrodden.

[123.]:

&lt;b&gt;The US is the unhealthiest industrialized country, period.&lt;/b&gt;

Yes, and most of it is self-afflicted. Obesity in young and old alike is epidemic in the USA and the cause of numerous detrimental, chronic, quality-of-life-altering, expensive-to-treat health issues. All of the health care printed tax dollars can provide won&#039;t cure gluttony and laziness.

[124.], obviously, madame, you&#039;re part of the problem. Put down the greasy pork chops and donate them to the obese diabetics living on disability due to their inability to push their fat asses away from the table. Poor Whites, African Americans and Hispanics have the worst obesity problems and blaming that on lack of quality food is simply pathetic enabling. 

How many people with piss poor personal habits do tax payers need to support? If you want to smoke, drink and eat artery clogging, diabetes and cancer inducing foods then, by all means, go for it, but, don&#039;t expect any pity or money from me while you&#039;re at it and don&#039;t affect my health care and way of life because of your bad decision to not take proper responsibility for your own health. If you want to spend money on cigarettes, drugs, alcohol and junk foods then you better damned well be able to afford your own health insurance and if you&#039;re uninsurable because of your habits, well, that is a little thing called &#039;consequences&#039; for your own actions.

Take your government health-care ponzi scheme and shove it.

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[121.], can&#8217;t forget the incense and peppermints for the downtrodden.</p>
<p>[123.]:</p>
<p><b>The US is the unhealthiest industrialized country, period.</b></p>
<p>Yes, and most of it is self-afflicted. Obesity in young and old alike is epidemic in the USA and the cause of numerous detrimental, chronic, quality-of-life-altering, expensive-to-treat health issues. All of the health care printed tax dollars can provide won&#8217;t cure gluttony and laziness.</p>
<p>[124.], obviously, madame, you&#8217;re part of the problem. Put down the greasy pork chops and donate them to the obese diabetics living on disability due to their inability to push their fat asses away from the table. Poor Whites, African Americans and Hispanics have the worst obesity problems and blaming that on lack of quality food is simply pathetic enabling. </p>
<p>How many people with piss poor personal habits do tax payers need to support? If you want to smoke, drink and eat artery clogging, diabetes and cancer inducing foods then, by all means, go for it, but, don&#8217;t expect any pity or money from me while you&#8217;re at it and don&#8217;t affect my health care and way of life because of your bad decision to not take proper responsibility for your own health. If you want to spend money on cigarettes, drugs, alcohol and junk foods then you better damned well be able to afford your own health insurance and if you&#8217;re uninsurable because of your habits, well, that is a little thing called &#8216;consequences&#8217; for your own actions.</p>
<p>Take your government health-care ponzi scheme and shove it.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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