Some important lessons from Ted Kennedy
Indeed, Kennedy was a veritable fount of enlightenment. A waddling argument for the wisdom of term limits, he showed the world how, provided you came from a rich and unscrupulous family, you can get caught cheating on a Spanish test at Harvard and still manage to graduate a few years later.
But of course, Ted Kennedy’s most important lesson for the world involved Mary Jo Kopechne, the secretary he let drown in 1969 when he drove his car off a bridge at Chappaquiddick Island late at night after a party. Kennedy said he endeavored to rescue the girl. Maybe. But what we know he did was contact several aides to work out a story. He waited until after the police discovered the car and Kopechne’s body the next morning before informing the police about the incident. He received a two-month suspended sentence for leaving the scene of an accident after causing an injury. Wikipedia calmly notes that “Questions remained about Kennedy’s time line of events that night, about his actions after the accident, and the quality of the investigation and whether official deference was given to a powerful politician and family.” Do you think, just possibly, that unusual deference was shown to Ted Kennedy?
The Kennedy family has issued a eulogistic statement about the death of the Senior Senator from Massachusetts. Right and proper, I suppose, but I couldn’t help recoiling from its lists: “Edward M. Kennedy — the husband, father, grandfather, brother and uncle we loved so deeply — died late Tuesday night at home in Hyannis Port.”
“Edward M. Kennedy,” I heard echoing behind those words, “Liar, cheat, drunk, philanderer, and — let’s not forget — inadvertent murderer.”
The tsunami of sentimental pap about Kennedy is already churning, gushing, rushing to inundate the public with a nauseating and untruthful fairy tale about the “Lion of the Senate.” The Lyin’ in the Senate is more like it. Kennedy was 77 when he was taken off last night, Mary Jo Kopechne had just turned 29 when Kennedy’s car veered off the bridge in Chappaquiddick and he wriggled free and swam to shore, leaving the young woman trapped in the car to drown.
* * * Update: In response to news of the death of Ted Kennedy, a friend did a little research into the Kennedy’s legislative history and concludes that “There is not one thing he proposed that deals with helping people who actually work for a living, or a business, or promoting capitalism. It is an absolute litany of destructive liberalism. He is the absolute worst.”
Reagan’s rotting in hell right now. I hope you’re OK with that.
Mary Jo overshadows everything..
He was a murderer whose only reason for getting away with it was that his last name happened to be Kennedy, otherwise he would have spent his entire life in prison, not the Senate!
Ted Kennedy was a vile and disgusting human being. He most assuredly rationalized away his behavior by relentlessly pushing the leftist agenda. All is supposedly forgiven if one is a committed advocate of Progressivism. We now have to worry about Barack Obama using his death to urge congress to pass his health care proposals in memory of Senator Kennedy. Was the now departed a doomed soul? Only God can judge. Nonetheless, I have moral and intellectual right, objectively speaking, to describe him as one of the most destructive men of the last one hundred years.
Interesting that “Now and Then” has appointed itself God, no? Such arrogance. Could be a member of the Kennedy family.
I don’t find it too hard that Judge Bork has lent his name to a political verb. Now there are two varieties:
“Bork”: To ruin a career by lying
“Swiftboat”: To ruin a career by telling the truth
Looks like at least a week of no news watching.
Reagan died, what, 100 years ago and the right is still eulogizing him. We liberals have to listen to that incessant mythologizing, that cottage industry that has grown around The Gipper’s faux statesmanship and his push toward fascist theocracy that this country suffers through today, so STFU and give Kennedy the grace ALL people deserve in their moment of death.
Even Timothy Leary saw through Teddy. In his autobiography, Flashbacks, he reprints an interesting congressional session in which Kennedy does the same thing to Leary that he did to Bork. It seems we can thank him for the abysmal war on drugs too.
Again,
Like my response to the last article. Kennedy believed that those without adequate health care and citizen rights should have an equal share in America. Not everyone agreed with him, and in fact, disliked him for supporting the expansion of programs leading toward a better country. He has passed away so bothering to attack him for his personal behavior when he was 19 years old seems rather silly really. Reagan and Bush failed to fix America’s health care problems and in fact, their policies helped to ruin America and its image across the globe. At least Kennedy did what he could to make the world a better place.
Now and Then: The sad thing is, deep down, you know that Ronald Reagan is ten times the man and a thousand times the political leader Edward Kennedy could ever hope to be. Reagan never tutored his nephews on the finer points of date rape and never threw the constitution under the bus to defend abortion. Kennedy did lie about Robert Bork, but his forced silence in 1991 during the Clarence Thomas hearing was deafening: Kennedy had just been implicated in the rape charges against his nephew.
Ronals Reagan was a prince among men. Teddy Kennedy was just another Massachussets politician.
Thank you Roger. I am sure many of your fellow journo’s will spend the next week slobbering over that pompous degenerate.
He was truly a disgusting ass.
2. Now and Then:
You’re such a chump.
Just wake up from another drunken stupor, and find you’ve lost 20 years of your life?
Not Over.
Will they sprinkle some of Teddy’s ashes in the Chappequiddick? Seems fitting.
Whoops. There goes the filibuster proof Senate.
Great article, right on point. He was a nasty piece of work, although still one of God’s creatures. The right will show a lot more deference to his passing than the left ever shows to the passing of a right winger like Reagan or Buckley. Ted was a mere shadow of his overrated brothers, but at least his brothers were smart and had charisma. Poor Ted was as dumb as a post while being on the wrong side of every issue.
Ted Kennedy was one of the greatest politicians of our day. We were fortunate to have him in the Senate. He cared about those that were less fortunate and victims of those that wanted to deny civil rights to our great Citizens. We will miss you Ted. RIP. He tried to right the wrongs of several presidents that lead our country in the wrong direction and for that we owe him our deep gratitude.
It is a startling act of courage in this overly controlled Americanized society for Roger to actually write something negative about the most powerful, most unscrupulous, most amoral family in the history of America. Ted Kennedy was not a person to be admired or used as a paragon of virtue. He caused the death (killed) a young woman and got away with it. He cheated at Harvard and got away with it. He drove his wife to the mental ward and then divorced her and got away with it. He savagely smeared the name of a great American jurist and got away with it. He spent most of his life wheeling and dealing; in politics that means cheating and lying to the American people. The fact that the American people after all that still think he was somebody to admire says a lot about the cess pool that the former American Republic has become. However his legacy will continue in the fact that he worked so hard to install the present regime in the white house which is in thrall to the myth of the Kennedy family and its legions.
..#2…then Ted Kennedy will have better company than he deserves..
Comparing Ronald Reagan to Ted Kennedy is a quintessential example of moral equivalency. The conservative icon was a morally decent man and truly well read and educated. Ted Kennedy was liar who could no longer distinguish truth from fiction. He was also an ignorant man who graduated from Harvard University, a grossly overrated academic institution. That credential meant that Kennedy never really had to earn what he got in life. Reagan’s years at Eureka College kept him humble. The Republican leader knew that he would have to do a lot of reading and studying throughout the rest of his life. In the back of his mind, Kennedy realized that he had it made. All he had to do was adhere to leftist doctrine—and the rest of it should be easy.
Now and Then – your comparing Ted Kennedy to Reagan is beyond words. Kennedy was a single celled organism.
I recommend you read Richard Burke’s, ‘My Ten Years with Ted Kennedy’
Burke was a friend and doesn’t try to dodge his own imperfections in the book. Though he sure displays the real Teddy. Despicable.
Another example of term limits should be mandatory for career losers in politics.
#17 pooor Citizen: Any words for the family of MARY JO KOPECHNE? It’s a shame he couldn’t show her any of that caring and consideration too right?
Hmmm….I’ve lost track — how many death squads, murderous dictators did Kennedy fund and support? And also how many deaths of innocents lay at his feet due to his starting a bogus war through deceit and then following it up with incompetence? The only truly vile and disgusting involving Kennedy’s death is, and will be even more, the ignorant and hypocritical comments from right ringers who apparently consider a tragic auto accident to be a far, FAR greater crime than deliberate deceit resulting in many, many innocent deaths.
Don’t feel a single thread of sympathy or empathy for the dead Kennedy.
Here is a person, who lived a previliged life and never refrained from throwing his (and his family name) weight around, who had such misguided ‘good intentions’ to permanently establish an underclass so people like him can champion the good cause.
No, not a thread. God forgive me if I am a bad person.
BTW, Ted was the architect of the ‘successful’ No Child Left Behind program.
As well as his being coauthor of the disgusting McCain/Kennedy Immigration Reform Bill which thankfully had not come to fruition.
BC – had to work in a Bush bashing comment, eh? On a thread about Ted Kennedy! Bush bashing is for Bush articles, smart guy..
Your BDS may cause turrets. I recommend treatment. Perhaps an education will help..
BC, Teleprompter Guy is in Afghanistan. You know, the ‘Just War.’
Well, here we go for another two week tribute to another Kennedy. What a nauseating thought. I usually give the deceased a wide berth, but not when they are Ted Kennedy. Besides the Kopechne incident, for which I would still be serving prison time, I was most put off by the Lion of the Senate’s drinking parties with useless people who were half his age and twice his intelligence. I have always been ashamed that our country could coddle such a man. At least for the next two weeks, while this crap is selling the cat food, cars, and penis pills on our airwaves, I can watch the real heroes of this summer, the Colorado Rockies!
Note to Hilton Kramer: The inclusion in your mag of this kind of garbage by your co-editor is turning The New Criterion into The American Mercury — and I don’t mean Mencken’s.
The real tragedy of Kennedy’s death is that it creates an opportunity for Health Care (or Insurance?) Reform to be Rahm-ed down our throats (“never let a good crisis go to waste”…or tragedy)
Just like a recent article that said failure to reform health care is a slap in the face to Ted, we will now hear that such failure essentially spits on his grave and dishonors his memory. So to avoid seeming mean-spirited, many in congress will go along with health care reform, and we WILL have socialized medicine by 2010.
Never mind that under the new socialized medicine law, the type of treatment Kennedy got for brain cancer will be unavailable for any average citizen in his 70′s. Not only would the diagnosis be delayed, but no government money would be allowed to be spent on an elderly man with such a grim prognosis, who would likely be told to just go “take a pain pill” and go home to die. Kennedy gained months of life from treatment that would be denied to one of us in the same situation under his health care reform.
Ted Kennedy stands as an example of why the Framers rejected any dynastic elements for our government.
He was until the day he died a man of limited intellegence, the morals of an alley cat and finally, a coward. If he hadn’t been a Kennedy and hadn’t been a brother of Robert and John, he would have been a divorce lawyer in Boston chasing divorcees around his desk, or in jail for manslaughter. May Mary Jo rest in peace!
24. always right
God forgive me if I am a bad person.
You’d be a bad person if you told lies to have people believe you are a good person.
The truth is what it is. Ted Kennedy could never be an example of a life well lived.
pooor Citizen: Ted Kennedy wasn’t particularly smart but he knew he could count on rubes like you keep voting for him despite all his misdeeds. Was he sticking up for you while moving his assets offshore to avoid his own tax policies? Or killing a wind-power plant that might sully the view from his mansion?
His headstone should read “Luck of Birth”.
16. beavercleaver:
” The right will show a lot more deference to his passing than the left ever shows to the passing of a right winger like Reagan or Buckley.”
You should have read these posts and the other Kennedy threads before contributing that thought. Some excerpts:
Peter the Bubblehead:
He was a murderer
David Thomson:
Ted Kennedy was a vile and disgusting human being.
TTom:
As a lifelong resident of Massachusetts, I say good riddance to traitorous murderous sack of excrement.
VaughnB:
Welcome to hell, Teddy. The world improves a little, at each Kennedy passing.
Rashputin:
He was an immoral drunk
Fantom:
Good riddance. I can think of no one who has done as much damage to America as he. Let the maggots to their feast as Satan has long possed his soul.
There are dozens more. Yeah, those conservatives – the epitome of deference and class.
Let the overwrought hand-wringing begin: The “Liberal Lion” of the Senate – the last occupant of “Camelot” – has died. Pardon me if I am unable to conjure up any crocodile tears. I’m fresh out. So, too (I imagine), are the surviving relatives of Mary Jo Kopechne – the young woman Teddy left for dead forty years ago.
Read more at: http://emmeffemm.com/id103.html
2. Now and Then writes:
“Reagan’s rotting in hell right now. I hope you’re OK with that.”
..and our offer of proof is?
I would generally take the position that we should allow him to at least acquire room temperature before we talk about the negatives of his life. But if the Dems try to use him as some sort of icon that we should rally around to push through this trully destructive and stupid socialized medicine plan, then that is on them.
If they try to play “Weekend at Teddy’s”, then Teddy is gonna get a beat down.
26. paul_unalaska:
“Bush bashing is for Bush articles, smart guy . . . Your BDS may cause turrets.”
Another example of my love for conservative certainty and expertise . . . “turrets”. Abso-fricking-lutely perfect.
A prime example supporting term limits.
A clear example of the loons in MA. who kept voting this ass back into the senate election after election, no matter what. So much for the birthplace of our nations freedom. I look to Texas now.
Nowandthen-
Your apostasy is showing! Reagan is not in hell. One of the things you hold personally against him was his humble, gentle and honest life that he unrepentantly lived in his Christian faith. The left will never forgive Reagan and GW Bush for their forthright Christian faith.
Kennedy, on the other hand was like you! He was an apostate, raised in the Catholic Church, but never understanding the purpose and wholly faithless. Kennedy didn’t care about the little guy! Kennedy used “The Little Guy” like I use a can opener; a tool to achieve a consumable end. Kennedy cared about Kennedy! Kennedy cared about power, privelege and prosperity for Kennedy!
If you want to throw stones at conservatives, there are plenty who deserve it; Reagan does not! Find a conservative apostate and throw stones at him. Not as much fun, huh?
I was on the dock at Nantucket Boat Basin some years ago and watched Ted Kennedy being transported from his yacht to a cottage in a wheelbarrow. I will always remember him as a fat drunk. I know the crap about the Kennedy mythology, but for crying out loud why do we continue to elect and eulogize dysfunctional morons like this?
I hadn’t known that a United States Senator could brazenly lie to his colleagues and the American people and get away with it.
Then you’re an idiot.
Poor Citizen: You are a rube. Kennedy cared as much about you as he did Mary Jo or any other peasant.
NOW AND THEN:SO let’s talk some more abbout your Messiah, the Sweet Little Barry and his Slum Lord SUgar Daddy! Do you think that Barry wore a little dress for Big Tony or was it manlier than that?
That rotten man did more to destroy this country with the exception of a 4-8 year Obama administration.
His 1965 Immigration Act killed this nation.
‘..who apparently consider a tragic auto accident to be a far, FAR greater crime than deliberate deceit resulting in many, many innocent deaths.’
The ‘tragic auto accident’ was all the more tragic due to the pathetic ‘response’ by Ted. Not attempting to assist the incapacitated woman, nor contacting the police, paramedics is the act of a guilty individual.
What’s interesting about your ‘innocent deaths’ comment – all 4 services have met or exceeded their July retention goals. Wow, that’s strange.. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2009/08/mil-090810-dod01.htm
War is hell. Driving in the car of a friend shouldn’t be.
Now and Then,
I agree. Give a dead man his due! Why, my minions are at this moment re-stocking the wet bar, re-filling the qualude ‘scripts, and inviting the escorts. Say, you wouldn’t happen to know where I could get a reinforced steel-frame bed do you (for his corner suite)?
Sincerely,
Lucifer
that cottage industry that has grown around The Gipper’s faux statesmanship and his push toward fascist theocracy that this country suffers through today,
What’s really hypocritical is I left a rather bland statement about Reagan’s dementia on an article about him a few days ago, and these cowardly hypocrites wouldn’t touch it. And today, they have two articles attacking Kennedy on the day of his death. Sad, disgusting people. Thankfully, I think they make up a rather small proportion of an already withered party.
I think some of the comments here on Kennedy are over the top. Do you really think that going vivo, BC, bibio44, etc. is really in line with conservative principles?
I wonder what Teddy did when he met Mary-Jo after he died? Did he apologize for letting her die in Chappaquiddick? Did he feel remorse? Did she forgive him for being a coward? And then lying about it all as the press covered Teddy’s butt? He has never paid for Chappaquiddick & never paid for the consequences since he was a Kennedy. I believe Ted Kennedy was a coward, power hungry politician to the end. He deserves more scorn than the accolades he’s receiving.
My impression of Teddy Kennedy, for the duration, was one of a self-proclaimed aristocrat who got off, literally, as a poseur fighting for the “little guy”.
A form of really disgusting pandering that many of the so called little people who touched the aura of his circle (servants at the Kennedy compound, longshoremen, whomever) might not have recognized for what it was.
Like every liberal, he pontificated and extolled such and such liberal cause until it got personal, for example, the prospect of wind turbines off his own sanctified Hyannis port view.
…is a land in which women would be forced into back-alley abortions
Naw, naw, that’s not it. It’s a land where you leave a young (potential or actual) mistress to drown and don’t report it for something like 6 hours.
That’s the land we live in.
Now and then:
“fascist theocracy”
Are you really a delusional paranoid, or do you just play one on the web?
now and then
“…so STFU and give Kennedy the grace ALL people deserve in their moment of death.”
classy
He drunkenly murdered a young girl. The people of Mass. need to be held to account for their betrayel of the US, common decency and common morals. They voted for this monstrous pig all those years. They need to be held accountable.
Mr Lucky. Man up and take the responsibity for the rhetoric you’re associated with. Constantly blaming your problems on other people or likening the tone to other people when you don’t like it is the saddest, most cowardly thing, and it is what most people feel is emblematic of your movement.
Povre Citoyen:
“supporting the expansion of programs leading toward a better country.”
(Portrait in dictionary, next to “Useful idiot”)
Fool! You actually thing collectivist statism makes a country better for anyone, save the apparatchiks? Get your silly little head out of rainbow-unicorn land and realize that.
It’s not often I can’t find even a scrap of something good to say…
But in truth, I loathed the man and detested his politics. He was the worst kind of limousine, silver spoon, trust fund liberal. May he now get his just rewards. RIP Mary Jo.
Papa Joe Kennedy: We’ve got to get Teddy a Senate seat because he’s too stupid to get a job.
Condolences to all who actually mourn his passing.
51. billslayer:
“SO let’s talk some more abbout your Messiah, the Sweet Little Barry and his Slum Lord SUgar Daddy! Do you think that Barry wore a little dress for Big Tony or was it manlier than that?”
No thanks, Layer of Bill, I’m gonna pass you off to Bilgeman. He likes that kind of stuff.
Hey, Bibio44, care to comment on Ted’s outrageous slander of Robert Bork? How about Ted’s driving “accident”? His public drunkenness? His annulment? Or the many other glaring indications of a highly defective character? I’d say Roger spoke the truth, and you since you seem intent to wrap yourself in phony propriety, maybe you can start by correcting Roger about Ted’s record. Ted was a shitheel, and HL would have no trouble saying so, however warm or cold the corpse.
Ted Kennedy may he rest in peace — exploited the myths of John and Robert Kennedy. Were it not for them — and the assassinations of them — brother Ted would never have risen above the rank of community organizer.
Mr. Lucky,
Ummm, yes. War is hell,eh? Now grab your gun or get back in the house!
BC: “how many deaths of innocents lay at his feet”
Somewhere between 500,000 and 2 million- it was Kennedy, in what he claimed was his greatest achievement, who cut off the South Vietnamese and delivered them to Communist horror: the massacres, the show-trials, the re-education camps, the 2-3 million boat people. All because St Edward the Lesser *abrogated our solemn commitment* under the Paris Peace accord and, whith the NVA storming over the DMZ, cut South Vietnam off from all ait, even fuel.
Peace at any price- abandonment of honor, abandonment of innocents, the ‘compassion’ of the elite liberal.
But then, as if that wasn’t crime enough for a lifetime, Teddy K spent another three decades advancing the leftist evil in his own country.
Hell is too good for him.
(BTW, BC- you still have failed to answer the question- WHO killed all those Iraqis?)
Poor citizen
“He has passed away so bothering to attack him for his personal behavior when he was 19 years old seems rather silly really.”
Really? Very big of you, though I bet you’d be singing a different tune if that was your sister, mother, daughter, etc that was snuffed out at the hands of Edward Kennedy.
And why does the government need to fix your healthcare problems? Grow up and take care of your own problems or are you that helpless?
“Do you really think that going vivo, BC, bibio44, etc. is really in line with conservative principles?”
Yes I do, because if you don’t fight fire with fire then you only come out wounded or dead. Compassionate Conservatism is either wimp philosophy or liberal prostration. Always bring a gun to a knife fight or you’ll be stabbed to death. For too long Conservatives have been wearing kid gloves when the enemy has brass knuckles. You can continue whimpering apologetically in the corner if you would like, but I am not going to let the United States and its Constitution go quietly into the night!
Moho(mmad),
“Man up and take the responsibity for the rhetoric you’re associated with..”
I concur. The fundamental problem, however, is that you have some ‘splaining to do for the comments left by Now&Then and vivo. Not exactly the sharpest tools in the shed, eh? Not that you aren’t borderline mental yourself – your problem is simply one of institutionalized indoctrination, not of acumen. Of course, you also proudly associate yourself with people who delight in the ritual execution of children on schoolbuses, but I digress….
Unless this thread is closed for violations of the Rules, I think there will be hundreds of comments.
NOW AND THEN:Well I’d wager that you like that kinda stuff too being that you voted for it. But just to make your day, I’d like the image of your messiah servicing his slumlord sugar daddy to be what you have to think about…enjoy.
I am always amazed at ppl that glamorize’service to country’in senators etc.– as such self-sacrificing acts, rather than what it MOSTLY is— a way for rich, narcisistic ppl who laff inwardly at YOU while they feed off the public trough.
Give themselves raises,great healthcare, no term limits,filling larders thru lobbyists— all while laffing while you laud their ‘service to country”.
Just like the left to believe that in death everyone and anyone (well, at least who is a partner in the liberal cause) is “entitled” to being thought of fondly despite earning little respect through their actions when amongst the living. We should all be held accountable for our actions and deeds in this life.
Good riddance. Hopefully, Teddy takes his sunscreen.
Bill. Remember? We went over this. There’s fresh air outside of that closet.
to paul_unalaska: that was actually a Reagan and Bush I & II bashing comment, and why not — you guys are trashing Kennedy like he’s the worst person ever to be elected to an important office, when even your beloved Reagan has far, FAR more skeletons in his closet, never mind Bush II. If you want to bring up a derangement syndrome, the most appropriate one today, especially in regards to the right wing web sites, would be “KDS” — Kennedy Derangement Syndrome.
I don’t celebrate Ted Kennedy’s death. I do see him as a poster child for the sad state that our government has come to.
He was the scion of our aristocracy, elected officials that serve for decades and whose every act is based on getting themselves reelected. They exempt themselves from the laws they make because they are to restrictive for the Lords of America. They enter those hollowed halls wealthy and they become vastly richer. They stay till they die so that they may be treated as lords and ladies and have citizens come to them as supplicants.
He represents the government that has become the masters instead of the servants.
Mary Jo Kopechne.
Desperatly gasping for breath in that small airpocket in Teddy’s Olds 88 waiting to die while teddy dashes about for a cover his ass story.
The Rescue diver stated “If I had been told when this accident had just happened I could have saved Mary Jo as it was Ted waited till it was too late.”
I will forget teddy and remember Mary Jo under water.
# 10 Poor Citizen:
“At least Kennedy did what he could to make the world a better place.”
Yeah… by making sure Mary Jo was not in it to enjoy its benefits.
And the world woud be a better place indeed without indigestible cliches.
The fundamental problem, however, is that you have some ’splaining to do for the comments left by Now&Then and vivo.
Okay, read carefully. I agree with them on a lot of what they write, if not everything. On the things I don’t agree with them about, I don’t go around saying, “hey fellas, you’re starting to sound like those god awful Republicans…or this is what teabaggers do, don’t do what they do”. The reason I don’t is because if I disagree with them, I’m actually interested in resolving it. You people aren’t interested in doing anything but whining and complaining. You sat back when a Republican administration disemboweled our econony and got us involved in two wars that there is no exit from. You have no goals except to prevent intelligent discourse.
He has passed away so bothering to attack him for his personal behavior when he was 19 years old seems rather silly really.
To what referreth you, Poor Citizen ?
Teddy was about 37 YO when Mary Jo Kopechne was left to drown.
We’ll just skip the other details, married, Catholic, exhibited appalling behaviors of extreme a$$ covering, got a 2-month suspended sentence.
Save your sympathy for Mary Jo!
As for the esteemed senator….good riddance. I am sick to death of hearing about the Wonderful Kennedy clan. None of them did one thing worthy of the countless hours of drivel air time they have received over the past nearly 50 years.
Well, at least Mary Jo Kopechne is finally at peace and rest. Her killer has passed on beyond the reach of the laws of man, but not the reach of GOD, where he will pay the final price for his arrogance and ineptitude.
About Kennedy- it’s a shame Kennedy wasn’t black..( or half-black). Then it would be FAR easier for non-thinking libs to dismiss facts about Teddy as racist
–rather than look inward and see a light-weight man, who could have chosen to be a drunken wife-cheating playboy,or a senator feeding at the trough,while laffingly espousing honor,ethics,for YOU. ( oh wait.Teddy says to himself.”i can do BOTH!”
71. Jettboy:
“I am not going to let the United States and its Constitution go quietly into the night!”
Too late. The Constitution is dead. Killed by Nixon. Buried by Reagan. Danced on by Bush. You’ll have to cook up some other myth to believe in. May I suggest religion?
MOHO–Sorry, bud. Being that you are a pimply 400 pounder that has never actually touched the opposite sex, I’m not sure that you have any claim to the use of the term “closet.” BUT, while we’re at it, the image of your messiah at Tony Rezko’s sausage buffet must be really disconcerting, so I’m gonna keep on giving it to ya. No pun intended.
“Ronald Reagan,” I heard echoing behind those words, “Liar, cheat, moron, greed monger, and — let’s not forget — inadvertent murderer.”
thank you for writting this piece Roger.
Uh-oh. Here she comes. And she’s PISSED.
Attention! Trolls and leftards. Try to imagine GWB has just passed. Got it?
What does it say about our govt system, when the only way to get someone like Teddy out of office is to wait till he dies. Wake up America! Of course the press will make him a saint. I say good riddance.
Quality journalism from the outfit that hired Joe the Plumber.
Let’s see how the 0bama admin spins this when the media cononizes Ted. You never want a serious crisis (or a dead Kennedy) to go to waste.
Three cheers for cable TV! Hundreds of channels to watch in coming weeks that will not even mention Kennedy. I can hardly wait.
Ted Kennedy was a scumbag to the bitter end, when he attempted to change Mass. election laws to serve his party/family once again.
I don’t believe in heaven and hell, but, if there’s a hell, I hope Ted’s is being subjected, in eternity, to a chorus of sycophantic praise and eulogies penned in boiler-plate prose while you know, inside, they are all lies, nothing but lies.
I never agreed with Kennedy or his tactics, but just let this go and his family grieve in peace (whether the left let Reagan do or not is immaterial).
“I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure.” —Clarence Darrow (1857–1938)
Kinda how I feel…
Roger this is a great artical.
we should not forget that this person was a destructive force in society.
thank you
I see the trolls are out in force. no surprise that they don’t like one of their heros called out for being the ugly side of humanity that he was.
IN MEMORY OF THE SEA LION OF THE CHAPPAQUIDDICK I’M GOING TO GET LUNCH AT WHOLE FOODS.
Jack! Bobby! Help! Get that woman away from me!
Thank you for balancing out the MSM coverage. I can think of no better honor for this bad man than to name the current health care legislation after him. Teddy does not deserve to rest in peace.
No one drops a deuce on a dead man like you, Rog. Keep those bowels moving.
I expect Kennedy’s death to create the opportunity for getting Obamacare passed as a tribute to a great American Senator. Liberals think he was. Most conservatives think he was a POS.
Teddy, you reaped what you sowed. What goes around, comes around. RIP Mary Jo!
What he did is done; enough of Ted. (But honestly, after all the booze problems and driving-into-water problems, how could he think it was a good idea to name his dog Splash? Just wondering.)
The real problem at the moment is the Massachusetts legislature, who wrenched the ability to appoint a senator from the governor when Kerry was running and now wants to wrench it back from the electorate now that the governor’s a democrat and democrat programs are becoming unpoopular even there.
I mean, I’ve seen decades of shamelessness from politicians on both and every side, but this is the pinnacle. Breathtaking.
100. George S.
Just a hint – Firefox comes with a spellchecker.
# 79 Michael:
“I don’t celebrate Ted Kennedy’s death.”
Not being very discriminating, are you?
There’s a difference between celebrating–see the Palestinians rejoicing in the 9/11 deaths–and feeling relief that an evil person can do no more harm, though he tried even on his death bed.
Had it not been for his actions in Chappaquidick, and the cover-up after, Kennedy would have been just a corrupt, lying, whiskey-sodden politician like many others.
Mary Jo’s death changed all that.
Mommy!!!11
8. Now and Then:
Got good grades in math did you?
Moho, the funniest liberal…
” Constantly blaming your problems on other people or likening the tone to other people when you don’t like it is the saddest, most cowardly thing, and it is what most people feel is emblematic of your movement.”
This comes from Moho, who solidly supports all programs that would turn the government into his personal nanny. It’s the same moho that believes that there is no personal responsibility when it comes to economic issues.
Funny moho..
#66: “Hey, Bibio44, care to comment on Ted’s outrageous slander of Robert Bork? ”
No, but thanks for asking. I limit myself to responding to one moron per day.
Some people seem to think that two wrongs make a right. Ted Kennedy was a major destructive force in America. Whether or not Bush or Reagan or Obama or anyone else was is immaterial. My wish is that the swimmer be reincarnated as a baby in the Detroit inner city. Let him live in the sort of hellhole he worked so hard to create and maintain. Well, let him be born after being aborted a few thousand times. True poetic justice.
The conservatives could spend the next two weeks in a rage against the swimmer and it wouldn’t come close to the daily diet of KGB inspired socialist viciousness that spumes from the lefties on a daily basis. I’ve been to the DU and moveon fairly regularly. Truly these are snake pits of psychopathy.
The most interesting part about the media coverage isn’t how they try to enshrine Ted Kennedy as a saint. Its about watching politicians and newsies claim how honored or deferential they are to have known him.
Take a drink every time you hear:
“Ted Kennedy changed my life”
“He told me”
“I will always respect him for”
“I will never forget”
My own opinions about the man aside, his death isn’t even about him. Only about the pompous credit takers that like to remember events to fit a narrative to their own ends.
Oh and 40+ years of this clown in the Senate? We NEED term limits. And notice the use of ‘successor’ in talk about his replacement.
One thing we can be assured of is moho and Kennedy are butt buddies!
A quote from the movie Chinatown seems appropriate:
“Prostitutes and politicians become respectable with age.”
# 104 Sean Casey:
“No one drops a deuce on a dead man like you, Rog. Keep those bowels moving.”
You just dropped your deuce on a “dead man” by responding to him, didn’t you?
Interesting to learn that the bowels of a corpse are still moving. Is this the result of a two-year NIH grant you received in forensic medicine?
Thank you, thank you Rodger. I was so relieved to read a truthful and factual article about Ted Kennedy amidst the sentimental blather. Your article–actually your voice provides a moment of sanity in what will prove to be an insane period of caricature style mourning for this man who was unfamiliar with the concept of truth. Rodger, you provide a courageous voice of reason as you recited facts regarding the “Lyin in the Senate”. In particular, I have seriously objected to his philosophies which are based upon Ted’s sincere abhorrence for achievement and hard work. For all the people who think I am cold hearted, at least I am not using Ted’s death as currency to advance my agenda. Now that is cold, Pelosi—-but not unexpected.
No offense to any humans in here but please stop feeding the trolls. My Norwegian grandmother used to tell me stories about trolls and nisse. Those were instructive but listening to this bunch is far more educational.
95. Delia wrote:
Let’s see how the 0bama admin spins this when the media cononizes Ted. You never want a serious crisis (or a dead Kennedy) to go to waste.
Peter writes: They’re already proposing calling this the “Edward M. Kennedy health Reform Bill.”
Ted was truly a despicable human being.Liar,cheat,murderer, crooked politician,philanderer.He sure covered all the bases.Unfortunately,whoever the current Cardinal of Boston is will give him a glowing eulogy.
Bill. I hear your cry for help, but I can’t help you. Perhaps your minister can help you to bury those homoerotic images a little deeper.
34. Now and Then:
LOL,
DATELINE: 08-26-09
Ted Kennedy showed up in He!! today. He was met with much acclaim and festivities. Mephistopheles was quoted as saying , as he hugged Teddy.. “Welcome Home Son, Welcome home, you have done much to make me proud”.
Ted Kennedy authored the HMO act of 1973. Everyone who has been denied care in the United States since the day it was passed is the victime of Ted Kennedy!
So far as Mary Jo Kopechne is concerned, I can only say “Thank You” to her and her family for her service to our country. By her tradgic death, the United States of America was spared a Ted Kennedy Presidency! So, thank you Mary Jo.
Some day, I’ll go to Ted Kennedy’s gravesite, and dance on it! The disgusting sick devil is dead!
This comment will not increase my popularity.
My true comment is
“…………………………………”
and I can translate it for you:
as a Traditionalist, I think we should just pray for everybody (including ourselves) and abandon ourselves confidently to the Infinite Being Who Is Infinite Love.
At the same time, as a Traditionalist, I understand that some of us think that this person had severely strayed, not as a sinner (because we all stray) but as a presence of evil, that evil which wants pain and evil for everybody.
These two positions don’t constitute a contradiction but require a serious meditation.
The trolls who try to call evil good should shut up.
The sane ones should perhaps consider that the construction of an ugly world is part of the SUBVERSIVES’ work . Let’s not cooperate.
Let’s pray to become able to do some good in our lives.
Thank you for the opportunity to comment.
99, 101 ditto
See y’all at WHOLE FOODS!!
Hey!! wanna bet the anti-christ tries to ram this health bill down our throats in the name of Ted Kenndey?? The Uncle Teddy bill….coming soon to a checkbook near you….
The only thing Teddy was good at was getting people killed.
The Second Supplemental Appropriations Act of 1973, P.L. 93-50
Bork, a great jurist? Bork’s own logic was so tortured and internally contradictory that he couldn’t hack his own way out of the thicket of his own making. Sure, TK’s words were over the top. But are they any more over the top than the language used by, for example, the fools that think that end-of-life counseling equals death squads. Fortunately, the literacy rate of the United States is rather greater than what your party depends on to sustain itself.
Judge Bork, in essence, did not believe that the Bill of Rights should apply to the actions of the states. He would make a nullity of the 14th amendment. His doctrinal commitments were far from the mainstream of even most conservative legal thought. He was rightly rejected from taking a seat on the Supreme Court, and, if Senator Kennedy’s efforts were the only thing that kept him off the bench, Kennedy would remain among the most valuable statesmen our nation has ever produced.
With death as moral governor and ultimate standard of value,
dying was Ted Kennedy’s greatest achievement.
Too bad it took him so long.
I just heard on the news that Ted Kennedy will be buried at Arlington National Cemetary. I am appalled they would even consider this; considering the extent of his “service was 2 years” of fluff service (color guard in Paris, no deployment to Korea per his dad’s orders)and left the service as a private. Never saw any action at all. This is an insult to the brave men/women to fought and died for our country and freedom. I hope all of you will join me in expressing outrage over this disgusting act of honoring him.
Now that he is in her neighborhood, he should have the decency of stopping by and apologizing.
The tragedy of the Kennedy family is that the patriarch of it saw to a thoroughly secular education for the sons in non-Catholic institutions, and even directed them to be introduced to sex in their late teens, and it appears that JFK and Ted had a compulsive neurosis about it for the majority of their adult life. On top of that Jesuit modernist “theologian” priests persuaded the family that one could vote for pro-abortion legislation and still be against it personally. No wonder that these sons were so ignorant of the faith. Rose insisted having the education of the girls, so they got the right scoop. All the Kennedys had from their father the mission to use their position to help the common people. But denying themn the precious gift of Catholic formation (in order to get ahead in the world of politics) he failed to show them a thoroughly true WAY to accomplish that. Kennedy finally came to emotional peace with his second marriage which seems to have cured any neurotic restless indulgence in sex outside of marriage. One can not deny that his family life was very involved and supportive (people are rarely so one-sided as the author suggests) and we can be confident that he received the Sacraments. This last point will have gotten him saved. Purgatory is another thing, as Pope John Paul II said at the death of Jackie, she needs a lot of prayers.Of course, there’s no denying that his passion-driven positions on the question of Bork and pro-life and many other points were contrary to truth.
But what we see in the actions of this man that are reprehensible, does not make the whole story. God is Merciful and Just. I’m sure he died with the sacraments.
Last night, on Fox’s Ted Kennedy retrospective, they had a girl on who had been Ted’s reading partner in a school program. The girl is now heading off to college and said about her plans,
“I’ll be majoring at education.”
That expresses the true legacy of Ted Kennedy.
Ronnie married Nancy because she was pregnant. Forgot to “just say no”. That’s Republican health care, “just say no to illness.” Millions of more people in poverty after 8 years of a man without the intellectual capacity to govern. Choose your heros wisely. Nixon called Ronnie “that weirdo.”
Health care is provided to incarcerated felons, poor people, rich people obviously, upper and many middle class with good jobs. Just not to the working slob accepting low pay who doesn’t want to go on welfare. All he has to do is rob a liquor store and he’ll have full coverage. That makes real sense to me.
Bork would have reversed Roe v. Wade, which was bad law at the time, but is now mired in precedent. He was only guilty of having a published record. But he didn’t respect precedent. The decision to seat him is that of the Senate, so get over it.
“Last night, on Fox’s Ted Kennedy retrospective, they had a girl on who had been Ted’s reading partner in a school program. The girl is now heading off to college and said about her plans,
“I’ll be majoring at education.”
That expresses the true legacy of Ted Kennedy.”
Only God can judge Ted Kennedy’s soul. This example of his many efforts to help others may indeed balance out the mind-boggling harm he caused.
Pragmatist:
These are the same people who are supporting and protecting the LIAR Messiah and Mohammedan BOGUS POTUS Barrack HUSSEIN Obama.
Firstly, Mohammedan is a slur. No Muslim uses this term, its used on muslims to make them seem like idolaters. They worship a god, not Mohammed.
Secondly, Barack Hussein Obama says he is not Muslim. Continuing to call him a muslim, in that regard, is like calling a Christian a Jew over and over again, simply because there was a Jew in their family. Or a Jew, a Christian for the same reason. While its disrespectful, what really stands out about doing something like that, is its knuckle-dragging stupidity.
THERE ONCE WAS THIS FAT USELESS PRICK,
WHILE TRYING TO HIDE HIS SAUSAGE IN A YOUNG CHICK ,
TOOK THE WRONG TURN AT THE RIVER,
WHERE THIS SHANTY IRISH CHICKEN LIVER,
FAILED TO PUT ANOTHER NOTCH ON HIS DICK.
The kennedys ran with organized crime, selling whiskey with Irish Mobsters in the 20′s-40′s. They formed relationships with Mafioso that eventually placed JFK into office of the president.
The Bush’s financed European crime families thru Union Bank in the 30′s until Feds seized the bank in 1942 under trading with enemies act in 1942. The massive profiteering from weapons and war financed political aspirations, and continue to this day thru carlysle group companies.
Until people wake up to the fact criminals are criminal even if you voted for them, we will always be stuck with corruption and the status quo
MOHO:I agree, Sweet Little Barry is not a Muslim. Islam forbids the servicing of slumlords for money.
Rest in Peace, Kennedy.
It is the height of arrogance for a rich person to take other people’s money to help the poor people. A much wiser approach would have been to use Kennedy’s money to help poor people get the skills to enable them to help themselves.
@136 David Thomson
I don’t think you understood my point, Dave. Take a look at the “at” and then consider that this person is deemed prepared for college and is going into education. That is the Kennedy legacy, the Peter Principle cubed and tailored to the left’s protected groups.
Mohammedan should be a slur. Anyone who believes the “Perfect Man” (as in, Mohammed) who slept with Nine Year Old girls, and ordered 900 jews killed in Yathrib because they did NOT convert to Islam is somehow connected to anything divine should be slurred.
Look, MoHo, if that is your real name, if you want to participate, take the finger out of your nose. It is disgusting. Where were you raised? And flush the goddam toilet forchrissakes.
A just God will make sure that Kennedy and Mary Jo never meet again.
Oh and #2 … it’s burn, not rot and if so, he just got some fat company.
113. P Stroud wrote:
I’ve been to the DU and moveon fairly regularly.
Peter writes: You’re a stronger man than I.
After many failed attempts, Undead Kennedy has finally become completely inanimate.
To:Progressoverpeace #134
Are you for real? You sound like a child but I guess instead you are an ignorant manipulative adult. A reading partner, even a Senator, should, based upon their one on one counseling and friendship, and should inspire a child. Big deal. Hey wait a minute, maybe you are right. We can sum up his sickening legacy in that in his entire sorry life, he happened to inspire one child to go into education. Whoopi. Sorry that Mary Jo’s future children could not have a dream.
I am a public school teacher. Over the last twenty years, I have inspired countless teens to pursue their dreams. No kudos, I am just doing my job and refuse applause for it. Ted had a job and I wish he understood that. I meet so many parents like you that have no use for hard work and measurable achievement.
Grow up, you make me sick.
131. angry american wrote:
I just heard on the news that Ted Kennedy will be buried at Arlington National Cemetary.
Peter adds:
A Guide to Burial at Arlington National Cemetery
Establishing Eligibility
Eligibility for Interment (Ground Burial)
The persons specified below are eligible for ground burial in Arlington National Cemetery. The last period of active duty of former members of the Armed Forces must have ended honorably. Interment may be casketed or cremated remains.
a. Any active duty member of the Armed Forces (except those members serving on active duty for training only).
b. Any veteran who is retired from active military service with the Armed Forces.
c. Any veteran who is retired from the Reserves is eligible upon reaching age 60 and drawing retired pay; and who served a period of active duty (other than for training).
d. Any former member of the Armed Forces separated honorably prior to October 1, 1949 for medical reasons and who was rated at 30% or greater disabled effective on the day of discharge.
e. Any former member of the Armed Forces who has been awarded one of the following decorations:
1.Medal of Honor
2.Distinguished Service Cross (Navy Cross or Air Force Cross)
3.Distinguished Service Medal
4.Silver Star
5.Purple Heart
f. The President of the United States or any former President of the United States.
g. Any former member of the Armed Forces who served on active duty (other than for training) and who held any of the following positions:
1.An elective office of the U.S. Government
2.Office of the Chief Justice of the United States or of an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States.
3.An office listed, at the time the person held the position, in 5 USC 5312 or 5313 (Levels I and II of the Executive Schedule).
4.The chief of a mission who was at any time during his/her tenure classified in Class I under the provisions of Section 411, Act of 13 August 1946, 60 Stat. 1002, as amended (22 USC 866) or as listed in State Department memorandum dated March 21, 1988.
h. Any former prisoner of war who, while a prisoner of war, served honorably in the active military, naval, or air service, whose last period of military, naval or air service terminated honorably and who died on or after November 30, 1993.
i. The spouse, widow or widower, minor child, or permanently dependent child, and certain unmarried adult children of any of the above eligible veterans.
j. The widow or widower of:
1.a member of the Armed Forces who was lost or buried at sea or officially determined to be missing in action.
2.a member of the Armed Forces who is interred in a US military cemetery overseas that is maintained by the American Battle Monuments Commission.
3.a member of the Armed Forces who is interred in Arlington National Cemetery as part of a group burial.
k.The surviving spouse, minor child, or permanently dependent child of any person already buried in Arlington National Cemetery.
l.The parents of a minor child, or permanently dependent child whose remains, based on the eligibility of a parent, are already buried in ANC. A spouse divorced from the primary eligible, or widowed and remarried, is not eligible for interment.
m.Provided certain conditions are met, a former member of the Armed Forces may be buried in the same grave with a close relative who is already buried and is the primary eligible.
Peter says: Under reason g.1., Ted Kennedy earns burial at Arlington, just as his brother Robert did.
Peddle your PC nonsense to somebody who cares.
136. David Thomson wrote:
This example of his many efforts to help others may indeed balance out the mind-boggling harm he caused.
Peter writes: David, you need to re-read what was written to get a better understanding of what progressoverpeace was trying to impart.
We should not be so hard on Ted for cheating on his Spanish tests at Harvard. Do you remember when he was pandering to the Hispanic vote by speaking in “Spanish” it sounded like a screw driver was working in your ears.
La Raza and Sotomayor loved it, it is amazing the concessions the Progressive Socialists will make for one of their “Leaders.”
Besides being a coward, a drunkard, a lecherous pervert, and a traitor; (he was in contact with the Soviet Union during the Cold War and North Viet Nam during Nam) there are some nice things we can say about him, he was never the President and he represented Massachusettes; they appreciate Progressive Socialists, Liberal Marxists, and traitors in general.
Oh I was a Marxist True
My loyalties far above you
Without a doubt I was an elitist snob
The middle class Wealth was mine to rob
Your dollars allowed me to buy votes
Among those who are always broke
We Elites have that divine privilege
With money and power we have lineage
You the Working Middle Class are serfs to tax in perpetuity
Meant to support the wealthy and our downtrodden suitably
How dare you complain and hold up that Constitution
Progressive Socialists know how to run an Institution
With Freedoms and your Bill of Rights, you boor us
We Elites have a better way, if you will only trust us
On my way to Hell sure enough, to meet the Communist Brotherhood
Of mass murderers and perverts steeped in innocent Patriots’ blood
Those who shunned our way for silly dreams of Freedom and Liberty
For us the Elitist Guardian Philosophers resistance is only Tyranny
Sen Ted:
Welcome to my neighborhood.
MaryJo
Guess what? The worms have already eaten out the eyeballs of your hero….that lying sack of gopher-shit, fascist, hypocrite, Ronnie RayGun.
Politicians, almost all of them: dirt-bags to the core, the Kennedy’s no less than any others.
62. Moho:
Apologies for not including your name in my post. Etc. is rather demeaning.
1. Man up and take the responsibity for the rhetoric you’re associated with.
What rhetoric do you associate me with?
2. Constantly blaming your problems on other people…
What are my problems?
3. …or likening the tone to other people when you don’t like…
Yes, sometimes people on the left, right, and whatever can be quite derogatory towards others in their posts on this site. I think that that serves a purpose, but probably not the advancement of understanding and knowledge. The aforementioned (vivo, BC, bibio44, etc.) are the most consistent in this regard, in my opinion. But really, it’s all pretty harmless is it not?
4. …it is the saddest, most cowardly thing..
What about the others you don’t agree with? Palin, Bush, Cheney, most of the PJM writers and posters… Aren’t they all cowards, and all sad too? Could I be the saddest, most cowardly with them around? Or… the “you people” you mention so often?
5. … and it is what most people feel is emblematic of your movement.
What is “my movement”?
Very, very classy Roger.
NOTE: Please don NOT criticize Roger on this site. He “moderates” your post away. What a coward!
Could I be the saddest, most cowardly with them around?
Didn’t I just write that you were? Add illiterate to the pile.
Could I be the saddest, most cowardly with them around?
Oh wait. My bad. Only Simon saves you from being the biggest sissy in that grouping.
And, in other news today…Mary Jo Kopechne is still dead.
His personal life was a mess, no doubt, and he got his start because of his name. But if you all can possibly be honest about his legislative record, you’ll see he had one that is almost unequaled in history. You may not agree with all, or any, of his positions, but he worked hard for people’s rights. Here is just a SAMPLING of legislation he sponsored or co sponsored, often working across the aisle…
– lowering the voting age to 18.
– Voting Rights Act
– the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP)
–Introduced the Americans with Disabilities Act,
– Title IX,
– first bipartisan campaign finance bill.
– Individuals with Disabilities Education Act,
– No Child Left Behind Act,
– Family and Medical Leave Act
“Well, at least Mary Jo Kopechne is finally at peace and rest. Her killer has passed on beyond the reach of the laws of man.”
Maybe the Kopechne family is now free of that contract they signed with the Kennedy family and can now speak their mind.
Man this is awesome…you got some real crack pots here slinging stuff back and forth over “Moe” of the three Stooges…Larry aka howard Dean and Curly aka John Kerry. Now what are the 2 Stooges gonna do?? I’m so glad that Moe’s gone with his pompus ass, better than anyone because my daddy was a bootlegger before yours was, and bought the my brother the Oval Office as to further deepen my pockets. Yeah some really good mud slinging going on here, Or as Moe would say “Here a river in your eye Mary Joe”
OUT
You’re a class act as always Roger.
post 150 peterbubblehead
Peter says: Under reason g.1., Ted Kennedy earns burial at Arlington, just as his brother Robert did.
g.” Any former member of the Armed Forces who served on active duty” (other than for training) and who held any of the following positions:
1.An elective office of the U.S. Government
Teddy never served, hence he has no business in arlington.
Yes I do agree that Ted Kennedy cheated on his spanish exam when he was in College. It was wrong. Worse, he was in that car accident and Mary Jo lost her life. There is no excuse, he was guilty for leaving the scene and worse yet, guilty of self centered preservation, and that young lady lost her life. However, what I meant to emphasise is that as a Senator, and as a rich person, he chose to defy his own class and take up the cause of those that had no voice, before that accident, and after that accident. And, he achieved more than his brothers, and several presidents did, legislatively, combined. Those are the facts, please to refer to factual history in the encyclopedia for assistance.
Well, for what it’s worth, here’s my two cents on Ted’s passing.
I think his life, the shortcomings, that is, can be explained in two words, “touch football.”
The game the Kennedy’s loved to play in Hyannis.
You see, their status, money and lifestyle never required them to be laid out by a blindside block or go to practice when they hurt all over. He led a touch football life.
Ted was a consumer, a taker. Not a creator whether we’re talking about anything from whiskey to wine.
I don’t think anybody ever took him aside and told him he needed to make something of himself that wasn’t related to his family’s wealth.
Anyway, those are my observations.
I’m certainly not here to judge him. I’ll leave that to all the other commenters here.
And God.
Irony alert!
Moho:
“You sat back when a Republican administration disemboweled our econony and got us involved in two wars that there is no exit from.”
Followed immediately by “You have no goals except to prevent intelligent discourse.”
Nojo, you’re so conceited you probably have no clue how unintentionally funny you are.
“Firstly, Mohammedan is a slur.”
Good. Followers of Mahound should be slurred, early and often. Substitute Mussulmen, Saracens, Servants of Belial or Enemies of God and Man to taste.
Well, this brightens my day, a evil demon leaves this earth. My he rot in hell.
As to President Reagan in hell, some marxist wet dream.
We all know where a man such as President Reagan is and it is not with the kennedy’s.
Yet I’m sure you are supporting the lies that Republican senators are spreading about the healthcare bill. You know, the Daeath panels and all. Typical conservative blogger, will condemn thos with whom you don’t agree with politically for bending the truth yet congratulate those with whom you agree for doing the same thing.
The man funded terrorism (in the form of the Provisional IRA) in my country through Noraid, and had a good relationship with the political head of the IRA, Gerry Adams. This lot killed around 1821 people, including 644 civilians.
Not a lot of Americans know that… I wonder why?
And in the aftermath of the death of a decent yet flawed altruist who worked tirelessly to ensure that working class Americans have access to health care and education, the rabid right wing can’t wait a single day before ripping him to shreds, dragging his name through the mud while calmly shrugging and saying “well, it’s the truth, isn’t it?”
Sociopaths automatically hate and distrust anyone who exhibits altruism, compassion or empathy, because they themselves fundamentally lack these qualities, are unable to comprehend their value, and therefore deride them as weaknesses.
So they resort to attacking to the altruist the same way that they attack anyone who challenges or threatens their violent worldview: try to destroy him, just as writer Ayn Rand did in her ode to sociopaths, The Fountainhead, by fraudulently framing the altruist as a secretly selfish person who is only going through the motions for personal gain and whose altruism is actually weakening those around him, because somehow, helping people really hurts them.
Clearly, the sociopath can’t comprehend that a person could gain enjoyment and satisfaction from helping people, because he himself cannot, so he simply assumes that like him, the altruist is nothing but a clever liar running a “long con” on those around him.
In a culture/organization in which altruism is a lauded value, the sociopath is exposed and marginalized. In a culture/organization in which greed and ruthless ambition for power are lauded, the sociopath is celebrated. So instead of celebrating the altruist, the sociopath is compelled to destroy not only the man, but also the legacy and concept of altruism, because a) such emotions are completely alien to him and therefore threatening; and b) because the sociopath must discredit the concept of selflessness as a virtue in order to replace it with his own virtue of reckless selfishness.
The sociopath is envious of the altruist’s ability to genuinely feel, and is cynical and distrusting of the altruist’s natural way of genuinely connecting with downtrodden people and gaining their support and loyalty, because the sociopath’s method of gaining trust is always through coercion and intimidation of the poor and weak. He pathologically continues to both reject the belief that people genuinely care about one another, as well as cling to the falsehood that those who help other people, especially poor and weak, are mentally deficient, because the sociopath just can’t fathom how anyone in their right mind would willingly use their own energy/resources to help other people when they could use the energy/resources of other people to help themselves.
And it infuriates the sociopath to have his beliefs shaken by the genuine empathy of altruists and by the genuine admiration of the community for the memory of a dead altruist and his contributions to humanity, because it just serves to remind the sociopath that he is inhuman, incapable of caring, and unable to have on a normal human life and meaningful relationships with other people.
169. rachel peepers:
“I don’t think anybody ever took him aside and told him he needed to make something of himself that wasn’t related to his family’s wealth.”
Excuse me, aren’t you the one attending Stanford on your daddy’s dime? Maybe somebody needs to take you aside for a little . . . education.
Nojo, you’re so conceited you probably have no clue how unintentionally funny you are.
Well, here’s your chance to explain it to me. The only thing standing in your way is that you don’t know what you’re talking about.
To Bohemond: You really are truly deranged if you’re trying to blame the Southeast Asia mess on Kennedy. Everyone in the military lied their asses off during that whole
sorry episode, from the covert bombings to the secret wars to the overall actual state of affairs there.
And as far as who is responsible for killing all those Iraqis, well there’s this.
Overall, I was never that big a Ted Kennedy fan — like most politicians, he had his pluses and minuses. In context to other Senators, though, and Congressional people in general, he was indeed one of the good guys nevertheless in terms of him generally putting the welfare of the American public ahead of his personal desires and those of his friends and business partners. I actually met him briefly one time, but only because the girl I was with spotted him and wanted to talk to him. He came across as a pretty nice guy, although I did note that his face gave the impression of someone who had a long, turbulent life. This brain dead trashing of him on the right wing web sites is inexcusably vile, especially in term of calling him a murderer — it was a freaking late night, tragic accident involving a car plunging off a bridge into pitch black water, and his behavior under those traumatic circumstances was probably no worse, if not better than most. Maybe he was mildly tipsy, maybe not — all that is known is that nobody really knows for sure. Trying to make it something other than that was never more than malicious, idiotic BS. It’s always way too easy to imagine acting heroically under such unexpected, life & death circumstances, but I know from personal experience and observations, most people just panic or become hopelessly dumbstruck about what to do under those types of out-of-left-field conditions. Bear also in mind that his brother Bobby had been assassinated just about a year prior, and that he had a lingering back injury from 1964 small-plane crash, so one can only imagine what he was going through mentally and physically during and after that whole sad accident.
Try redirecting your stupid vitriol towards a more appropriate target for a change.
“Take a look at the “at” and then consider that this person is deemed prepared for college and is going into education.”
Whoops. Your point is well taken. I initially thought that the young lady was misquoted. Oh well, I tried to be nice. Isn’t there something we can say in favor of one of the most destructive human beings in the last one hundred years?
Moho – “Man up, sissy, homoerotic images, fresh air outside of that closet, this is what teabaggers do…” Moho???
Moho are you gay? Or just manly man?
HEY!!! PJM managers,what happened to your rules about filthy language?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
If you’ve let some of this b.s. get by, what the heck are you turning down?????
love you guys,….just asking…
I see this site and commentary pays homage to the followers of Ronnie R Baby, Georgie the Dunce Bush, Fatso Rush, and his mindless legions…and now before the Greatest Senator this country has ever known is laid to rest…you freakin lizard brains want to desecrate his good name and slander him while you idiots have done nothing but look for your next FLY buzzing around your empty heads! Get a life you losers! Obama is President, the Dems own the Congress and Senate, and the Repubs are so over and out of touch. Please pull that trigger that is aimed at your head and leave the country’s affairs to the adults…
My comments were deleted. The mods were afraid the readers would be put to shame. Cowards.
167. ip727 wrote:
Teddy never served, hence he has no business in arlington.
Peter writes: Sadly, he did.
Kennedy enlisted in the United States Army in June 1951. Following basic training at Fort Dix, he requested assignment to Fort Holabird for Army Intelligence training, but was dropped after a few weeks without explanation. He went to Camp Gordon for training in the Military Police Corps. In June 1952, he was assigned to the honor guard at SHAPE headquarters in Paris. His father’s political connections ensured he was not deployed to the ongoing Korean War. While stationed in Europe he travelled extensively on weekends and climbed the Matterhorn. He was discharged in March 1953 as a private first class.
Ted Kennedy was a vile man. I listened to Michael Medved today and he spoke about him by pointing out that he was rich and could have done anything he wanted but he chose to serve in the senate. I believe what Rush Limbaugh says about politics. It goes something like it is the Hollywood for ugly people. Ted Kennedy was an ugly person on the inside and politics was his way to be everything that he wanted to be but never could be. He wanted to be a good man, I’m sure, but he was lazy and self-indulgent when it came to being a good human being.
I really hope none of you are trying to convince me to join the church. Because this sentiment–while his body is still warm–is really, really despicable. People can disagree. But he believed the way he believed, he honored his beliefs with consistent action. And none of you were at Chappaquidic when the incident everyone “remembers” happened. So none of you really have ANY idea what really happened. Stop the gossip and remember who you are…and I really hope it isn’t how you portray yourselves here. I’m ashamed to speak the same language as most of you, and yes, I’m ashamed to be an american–and don’t you dare give me shit about it.
Someone defending Kennedy implied that his back injury prevented him from trying to rescue Mary Jo in the car. From this article and others, it seems he waited at least 10 hours and waited for the police to contact him about the accident. What part of his old football injury kept him from getting help in a more timely fashion.
…attack him for his personal behavior when he was 19 years old seems rather silly really….
I am not sure which personal behavior when Ted Kennedy was 19 you were talking about.
If it is about the “Chappaquiddick incident” (Wikipedia), the “young” Kennedy was 37 years old, while Mary Jo Kopechne was at her late twenties at the time.
Hardly anything can be excused of the not-so-young man’s ‘personal behavior’, can you?
The reason the incident was mentioned every single time Ted Kennedy’s name appears, it is because Americans know justice was never served, and we don’t hold anybody (be it celebrity or not) in thrall.
Rather telling you call this ‘silly really’.
OhMyGod. Now (MOHO) has got two finger up his nose. God, I hope he washes before eating. There are all sorts of nasty bugs up your nose. We cannot afford to lose such a deep thinker as MOHO to some miserable bacterium. For God’s sake, MOHO, wash, wash, wash, Anf, for the luvofgod, FLUSH.
OhMyGod Carla. That’s as stupid as when you wrote it the first time. If its a contest you’re after, you’ll be eating the wake of thinkingperson and veni’s idiocy. You just can’t compete in that imbecile league, hon. But I’m glad you made the effort. Keep at it, little one.
What’s funny is that if you’d said that to Veni, he would have come back with a page long ode to the many ways he doesn’t put his fingers up his nose. LOL. They should change the name of this place to Pwnage Media.
moho et al of the arrogant, ignorant left. teddy wasn’t qualified to clean Reagan’s latrine.
The death of Kennedy once again shows the power of statist myth: rather than look at the actual events of this man’s life, we are expected to join the choir and rhapsodize about the great ‘champion of human rights’ and ‘speaker for the little man’. Not because that’s what he was, but because that’s how they see themselves.
The statist is a modern-day Narcissus, doomed to forever stare in rapture at their own idealized self-image.
175. Matt K.
“…anyone who exhibits altruism, compassion or empathy … …In a culture/organization in which altruism is a lauded value… … altruist’s ability to genuinely feel… …the belief that people genuinely care about one another… the genuine empathy of altruists…”
Matt.
Do you care about me? When do you get your next paycheck?
And we cannot forget that Ted Kennedy was an ardent supporter of the IRA for many years. How many innocent people lost their lives through the agency of this overstuffed, pretentious, barely competent and thoroughly amoral representative of America’s self-appointed oligarchy? Good riddance.
You know I was never fortunate enough to be molested by Senator Kennedy, but I still miss him. I have very severe personal esteem problems. Will Ethel go to the funeral bash?
He didn’t die soon enough. It should have happened back in 1969 just before he got in that car with Mary Jo Kopechne!!
# 163 mamamia:
“…but he worked hard for people’s rights.”
Sure. He worked hard for “people’s rights,” but so have many, many others, both in Congress and outside. When it came to saving one particular life that he was directly responsible for, he only saved his own sorry ass and later tried to cover up his cowardice in order to save his status and political career.
Nothing that Kennedy may have done for the “people” mittigates, in my book, that single act of negligent homicide of a “person,” for which any regular member of that indistinct group you call “people” would have gone to prison, including you.
167. ip727 wrote:
Teddy never served, hence he has no business in arlington.
Peter writes: Sadly, he did.
Sadly I stand corrected.
I hope the spinning bodies at arlington don’t fly out of their graves, as this “altruistic” power mongering demagog is tucked in amongst them.
‘The Kennedy family has issued a eulogistic statement about the death of the Senior Senator from Massachusetts. Right and proper, I suppose, but I couldn’t help recoiling from its lists: “Edward M. Kennedy — the husband, father, grandfather, brother and uncle we loved so deeply — died late Tuesday night at home in Hyannis Port.”’
And, out of respect for the feelings of his family, this is not the time to drag Ted Kennedy’s name through the dirt.
At least I won’t do so.
Today, I wish only to offer my sincere condolences and sympathies to his grieving family members, and hope that none of them have read the horrible things that people are saying about him so soon after his passing, comments which will serve no useful purpose, but would only to add to their misery should they be unfortunate enough to read these comments.
Oh, if you knew Teddy, like I knew Teddy…
his father left all that Scotch for his heirs and Teddy thought he was supposed to drink it all himself.
‘Only Simon saves you from being the biggest sissy in that grouping.’
Roger Simon banned you so he’s a sissy. Poor little wee weed up moho.
199. ip727 wrote:
I hope the spinning bodies at arlington don’t fly out of their graves, as this “altruistic” power mongering demagog is tucked in amongst them.
Peter writes: On this point I agree with you 100%.
I noticed when I tried to re-locate a web site I had read a few months ago with all the facts about Chappaquiddick, including police photos and diagrams of the crime scene, that the site, http://www.ytedk.com, has mysteriously been taken down.
What a coincidence!
MOHO: It’s alright, honey. It’s alright. One finger, two fingers, who’s counting. It is the sharpness of your mind, your insights, your penetrating commentary that is important. Well, maybe one finger would be better. Thank you for flushing.
Roger might have added that once Teddy delivered, as his own, a speech by his brother Robert. Undoubtedly Ted was not very bright, and he lacked character and class. Stupidity explains many of Ted’s failings, but what excuse do the voters of Massachusetts have?
Actually, Roger, you got the update wrong (or your friend did). Ted Kennedy DID advocate the deregulation of the trucking industry and had this to say:
“The problems of our economy have occurred not as an outgrowth of laissez-faire, unbridled competition. They have occurred under the guidance of federal agencies, and under the umbrella of federal regulations.”
http://blog.american.com/?p=4328
Oh, sweet irony.
And he died with his favorite mutt near his bedside, Obama…..Wonder if Obama is gonna get a Leona Helmsley-type pooch inheritence from the Last Will.
About DWI’s, Obama Sr. comes across as Ted’s protege…..
@179 David Thomson,
I understand you were trying to find a silver lining. You know what they say about the good deeds
Sorry to have swept you up in the misunderstanding.
The only good thing I can think of about Kennedy legislation is that McCain-Kennedy got trounced. I think that that bill really got the new grassroots conservative movement going, as we all realized how totally detached Washington was from everything, and the way they tried to shove that legislation down our throats first exposed the absolute contempt that many in Congress held for the American citizenry. That’s the best I can say for Kennedy’s legislative contribution.
Hey, Peter the Bubblehead…
how do you think they found a burial place for him at Arlington?
Most who died for the honor of their country have up and run away!
Ted Kennedy was a big man who made government bigger. A champion of generational theft. No wonder Chris Matthews calls Obama the last Kennedy brother.
John F. and Robert held their Mama Rose’s Baby Brother in deep contempt. “What can we do about Teddy?” A poor student, a cheat, a playboy, protected always by his father’s and brothers’ political clout, a coward on a disgusting s, beyond-forgiveness cale, he never accomplished anything on merit. He rode, in an aura of personal entitlement, in a lifetime sinecure as a Senator who pandered always to those most dedicated to tearing down his class, wealthy capitalists. What courage! What brilliance of intellect. What skills of leadership!
That Edward Kennedy, the Cowardly Lion of the Senate, dishonest, dissolute, and dim-witted, should be held up as an idol, an icon, tells us all we need to know about the Democrat Party. Confirmed in spades by the truth that he was one of the earliest and strongest supporters of their other idol, another second-rate hack, a dedicated Stalinist out of the cesspool of the Chicago machine, mentored by unrepentant Weatherman Bill Ayers, and lover of baanana republic Communist despots, obsequious to Muslim despots.
What a great heritage he leaves to his party and the nation!!!
At first I could not see how Ted qualified for Arlington Cemetery sine he did not have any mention of any of the qualifying awards which are:
(d) Any former member of the Armed Forces whose last active duty (other than for training) military service terminated honorably and who has been awarded one of the following decorations:
(1) Medal of Honor.
(2) Distinguished Service Cross (Air Force Cross or Navy Cross).
(3) Distinguished Service Medal.
(4) Silver Star.
(5) Purple Heart.
I did look further and found that yes he does qualify with the following part:
(1) An elective office of the United States Government.(he was a senator)
(2) Office of the Chief Justice of the United States or of an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States.
(3) An office listed in 5 U.S.C. 5312 or 5 U.S.C. 5313.
# 200 David Surls:
Ever wondered why there were no eulogies for Mary Jo Kopechne, as far as I can tell? None from the Kennedys, for whose campaign she worked devotedly.
Suffer on, buddy, all you want, for a guy who got to live his life fully while he should have spent at least part of it in prison. And please, don’t mix up family sentiment with the sentiments of the rest of us. I have no debt whatsoever to Teddy’s family or his memory.
I also have no religious or customary prohibitions against speaking my mind about a dead person.
So.
Edward Kennedy was the son of a multi-millionaire Ambassador, a real-estae magnate, movie studio mogul, and Prohibition liquor rum-runner.
Ronald Reagan was the son of a midwestern shoe salesman.
Who became the champion of free-market capitalism, and who became the leading proponent of everything we know of as socialism?
Which was the self-made man, and which was the family chronic underachiever?
Makes you think, doesn’t it?
Re: “2. Now and Then:
Reagan’s rotting in hell right now. I hope you’re OK with that.”
Nope. He’s rotting at his PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY. Where will Teddy’s library be? Oh wait. He didn’t win the election did he? He’ll be forever in his brothers shadow (and be haunted by Chappequiddick).
RIP Mary Jo.
Peter, to get a clearer picture of the coincidences, do a search on Joe Arena.
Joe was the Island’s police chief in 1969. Before any investigation was started, Joe somehow was magically made police-chief-for-life of St. Albans, VT and never heard from again…
talk about coincidences…
The man died less than 48 hours ago and you just can’t resist taking swipes. So sad.
213. Steve DeMarcus wrote:
I did look further and found that yes he does qualify with the following part:
(1) An elective office of the United States Government.(he was a senator)
Peter writes: More specifically in that section, it has to be a person who served on active duty in the armed forces and who later was an elected office holder. Teddy did two whole years in the Army where Daddy Kennedy managed to get him honor guard duty in Paris while all the real heros were giving their all in Korea.
I feel there will be many upset family members with loved ones interred in Arlington in the coming days.
# 216 AThinkingPerson:
Best laugh I had in ages, brilliant wit (“He [Reagan]’s rotting at his PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY”) and a heartfelt “Amen” to your “RIP Mary Jo.”
I live on an Island called Block Island and Sir Teddy used to call on us in his sailboat now and again. On more than many occasions he stumbled out of a bar drunk on his ass! One time he landed in the water beside his boat and if he had not been “beached” by a good samaratain, we’d have been rid of the bum many years ago. He holds the distinction of being the only US Senator to be thrown out of, and barred from entering, two of the worst bars here on the Island of the little god!!The guy was a UPS man to the very end! UPS?= Useless Piece of Shit!
Re #218 roger: You’re wrong roger. We’ve been making fun of Teddy for years. Any condolences messages for Mary Jo roger?
His burial at Arlington is a slap in the face.
All of which brings to mind a phrase from Shakespeare’s Macbeth uttered by Malcom; “Nothing in his life became him like the leaving it;”
Now and then, after what the left did to people like Reagan and Tony Snow after they died? No, YOU STFU!
Oh yeah, bite me, too.
RE: Tom 129 – And you thought the world of Adolph & Papa Joe, right?
For TG 135 re RvW Bork would have made an exception!
173 TPecker; hands off!!
175MK: And you only want to help, yes?
Khiri…no argument here, Reagan and Snow were total lying jackholes.
222. Khiri:
“after what the left did to people like Reagan and Tony Snow after they died? No, YOU STFU!”
So, what did the left do/say?
A woman approached Bob Novak a few years ago at the end of a panel discussion. It changed his life.
She said simply, “Life is short. Eternity is long.”
Bob Novak was buried last Friday, after changing his life. I hope — i PRAY — that Ted Kennedy changed his heart, too. I know Mary Jo will forgive him on the other side, if he gets there safely.
Satan lurks, hungry for souls. Life is short. Eternity is long. What are you going to do about it?
We are about to watch a sickening adulation of the late fat, lying bastard from Masshole is a future preview of a very sickening eulogy of the biggest fraud on the planet: Obama.
I believe it was Ann Coulter who said, in one of her many books, that Teddy Kennedy proved Dean Wormer from “Animal House” wrong: You can go through life fat, drunk and stupid. And why is this sorry piece of humanity being buried in Arlington Cemetary; the closest he ever got to the military was to undercut it every chance he had.
I’m glad to see the articles on Pajamas Media are pulling no punches on Ted Kennedy.
His behavior over far too many years in power was such that he doesn’t deserve clemency.
He was not a gentleman in his treatment of opponents. If he could harm them in any manner that was all that mattered. I think he truly believed he was a better human being than they, even with the abuses of power, alcoholic buffoonery, and serial infidelities. And then there was Chappaquiddick.
He was a plotter and a schemer. I don’t understand why he wasn’t charged with treason for clandestinely approaching the KGB during the Cold War to suggest some secret contact to oppose President Reagan’s foreign policy.
The President is constitutionally responsible for U.S. foreign policy.
I’ll always remember him as a “happy” drunk, clumsily bellowing a Spanish song on a Spanish-language radio, trying to work his latest scheme: Immigration Reform. I actually felt sorry for him on that occasion.
Today, I’m sorry for his family, but I can think of nothing good to say about the man.
Best for me to shut up; you keep doing what you’re doing:
Speaking the Truth.
# 221 Everett:
Thanks for your post. That poor bunny, Mary Jo, didn’t know what she was getting into when she got into Teddy’s car, but everyone who voted for him, term after term, afterwards, is complicit in this murder.
Let me see, only left wing democrats drink, cheat on their wives and spend money like their is no tomorrow. Mark Sanford, Newt Grinrich, Sen. Ensign, pure as the driven snow. Yes a young woman did die in a car accident 40 years ago, but only democrats get into car accidents and those people are who are hurt can be called murder victims by the right. Their is a special place in hell for hypocrites and those who cast aspersions on the dead and I believe Roger has a place reserved for him at the devil’s table.
RIP Teddy.
Now, please God, can we be done with this freaking zoo of a family and move forward? Will we never be done with them..please..
I do not wish Ted’s family any ill will, and I hope he rest in peace. However, Ted was a open borders Globalist.
It should read so on his grave stone. Plus, he should not be buried close to Vets.
To add to Roger’s well-done..ummm…eulogy…
Ted was a true Kennedy. He led the same dissipate, narcissistic, and amoral lifestyle as his Nazi-sympathizing father and mafioso grandfather, as well as all his brothers and many other descendants. heir to an ill-gained obscenely vast fortune, and never having worked a single day for one single honest dime his whole life, he made a career at perhaps assuaging his sullied conscience by adopting a contrived messianic complex and aggressively using political power to steal other people’s hard-earned money to fund a vast number of wasteful, corrupt, pork-laden, influence-peddling and state-empowering failed schemes and social-engineering plots to undermine traditional morality, constitutional law, and our cherished institutions.
RIP Ted.
The heart-breaking part of the Mary Jo Kopechne tragedy , the part that puts the Cowardly Lion beyond forgiveness, is that the autopsy showed that she did not drown: she was found in the back seat, her head in the air pocket where she gasped her last breathe, waiting for the help that never came because the icon of liberals ran past any number of homes where he could have called for help.
#207 A Thinking Person:
Best post of the thread and exactly right. If our leftist friends on this thread want to put Ted Kennedy up against President Reagan, they should go for it. (Fish in a barrel….)
206. Nice Summary Bilgeman
Case Closed
god Bless The Gipper
I won’t forget his character assassination of the late Shah of Iran in 1978-1979 period when he called his majesty ‘Hitler’ and compared him to Nazis.
Now that Kennedy’s gone, buffets, liquor cabinets & people who rode in a car with him are safe again. Kennedy was living proof that Dean Wormer was wrong when he said, “Son, fat, drunk & stupid is no way to go through life.”
America’s fascination with the Kennedy family is one of the world’s great mysteries. Daddy Joe made his money cheating people, racketeering, bootlegging, drug running, & through prostitution, and yet the media constantly fawn and swoon over the family. What is the fascination with these crooks? Wake up, America!
Some believe Daddy Joe Kennedy is Bill Clinton’s father. Joe had connections to organized crime. Hot Springs, Arkansas was a favorite crime boss vacation spot in the 30s & 40s. Bill Clinton was born in Hot Springs. If true, it would make Teddy & Billy Jeff 1/2 brothers. Keep your eye on Clinton during the Kennedy funeral hoopla and draw your own conclusion.
moho still here.. even though he hates kennedy
moho… is sad
moho u r more fun then watching tv
moho hates kennedy and himself( a pencil necked self loathing white homo) and everyone else
good moho
you contribute a lot… keep up the good work
we await your other freshman girl research
The zombies of the Right come out to eat the brains of the recently dead.
It’s because they themselves lack souls.
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for this. I’ve been listening and reading mealy mouthed crapola from conservatives all day regaling this fraud. The truth at last.
#13. AThinkingPerson:
>Will they sprinkle some of Teddy’s ashes in the Chappequiddick? Seems fitting.
In remembrance of the defining moment in his life, perhaps a burial at sea would be appropriate.
Carla :”Yo, Marie-Claude. Would that be a masculine or feminine name? Or still undecided? Not to worry. You’re still a ditz.”
désolée de te décevoir, be aware of my possible bullying in your sheep ben, cuz one can’t shove me, I’m wooly bully, wooly bully, wooly bully… c’était qui déjà ?
er hmm, le propriétaire de l’autre blog n’apprécie pas l’haleine franche, donc il m’oblige à rincer ma bouche avec la politique correction
bravo pour ton courage, ie ton post sur Kenedy, the poor man, sa vie était un enfer, might he get into appeased waters !
#8 Now and Then has all the erudition of a college freshman:
Reagan died, what, 100 years ago and the right is still eulogizing him.
Are you going to follow that up with your usual harangue about how we’re all a bunch of ignorant rubes and about how smart you are?
Warning to the religious right:
Ted Kennedy will be pushing his health care plan right there with the gods and the devils.
Be afraid, you might get coverage. U will wait in line until the death panels send you visit Kennedy.
Chris in VA,
Satan can’t take what belongs to God.
Chris is VA,
Satan can’t take what belongs to God.
Poor Citizen:
Again,
Like my response to the last article. Kennedy believed that those without adequate health care and citizen rights should have an equal share in America. Not everyone agreed with him, and in fact, disliked him for supporting the expansion of programs leading toward a better country. He has passed away so bothering to attack him for his personal behavior when he was 19 years old seems rather silly really. Reagan and Bush failed to fix America’s health care problems and in fact, their policies helped to ruin America and its image across the globe. At least Kennedy did what he could to make the world a better place.
Aug 26, 2009 – 6:34 am
Oh brother!!!Poor citizen, I live in Canada and I can tell you you don’t want socialized Health care. Nothing is free and I know that from my personal experience with the taxman. My yearly base tax rate is 30% and I earn under 100K. Over one third of my tax bill goes to covering our Governments failing nationalized Health care system. The largest peice of our Federal Governments budget pie supports our useless health care system. It is mismanaged and services are pathetic. Don’t wish for something you know nothing about! Reagan’s policies helped ruin America…WTF…you are an idiot.
Treasonous Teddy Kennedy
I’ve been chastised! By my 29 year old daughter, no less!
She admonished me about “speaking ill of the dead” because of my previous article, “Ted Kennedy, ‘Liberal Lion’ and Murderer is Dead.”
And here I thought I was being fairly gracious in that piece, taking some pains to avoid detailing the events of 40 years ago when Ted ran his car off a bridge and into a murky tidal channel on Chappaquiddick Island and swam or walked away, leaving 29 year old Mary Jo Kopechne to drown.
I even offered the sentiment that I hoped Ted had made peace with his Maker before he succumbed to brain cancer.
Apparently, generally relating the factual and sad tale of the death of Mary Jo at this point in time is considered by some to be unkind to the memory of Senator Kennedy.
I would have to disagree and, in fact, there was much more I could have written about the personal and political life of the senator, but I chose not to.
Others have been less discreet than I and, on second thought, there were other Kennedy “incidents” which demand mention, namely his subversive machinations with the Soviet Union. They reflect dismally on the career of the senator, almost on a par with the curious circumstances surrounding the death of Mary Jo.
Indeed, from a political and perhaps moral, perspective, they were worse.
Those incidents won’t be discussed in liberal media retrospectives on Ted Kennedy which have a vested and emotional interest in the Camelot Era of President John Fitzgerald Kennedy and which studiously avoid tarnishing its image in any way, including citing any negativity surrounding the last remaining Kennedy brother.
Case in point was Wednesday evening’s coverage of Ted Kennedy’s death on ABC.
No mention was made of his expulsion from Harvard for cheating, his legendary philandering, or his more legendary imbibing. Regarding Chappaquiddick, ABC merely referred, twice, to “a female” who died in his car that fateful night.
ABC cares much for Kennedy memories but when it came to according recognition to that female, her name wasn’t worth mentioning.
As for ABC and other networks referencing his treasonous activities, are you kidding?
On his own, Ted himself greatly tarnished–disgraced is a better word–the Kennedy mystique when he conspired and collaborated with the leaders of the Soviet Union against his own country.
If his actions did not constitute treason, they came damned close.
Ted didn’t like Ronald Reagan any more than he liked Jimmy Carter. He also didn’t like Reagan’s foreign policy toward the U.S.S.R. and detested Reagan’s plan for the SDI. Ted came from the rapprochement school of international relations, a variation on the peace at any price, make nice to thine enemies, school in hopes they will reciprocate in kind.
The SDI, the Strategic Defense Initiative, derided by the media as “Star Wars,” was probably the single most significant strategical move that brought down that wall in Berlin, leading to the collapse of the Soviet Union.
The Soviets tried to counter SDI but its corrupt communist society and moribund economy couldn’t compete and the U.S.S.R. went bankrupt trying.
It was only after KGB archives were made public that it was revealed that Senator Ted Kennedy, during the height of the Cold War, had conspired against his own country. . . .
(Read the rest at http://genelalor.com)
Ronald Reagan: “I don’t believe in a government that protects us from ourselves.”
Kennedy’s Tombstone: I don’t believe in a government that protects you from itself.
No apologies are needed Ted Kennedy was the COWARD who ran for his Political Life not reporting the accident for HOURS leaving his GF pregnant with his bastard child to die of terror and asphyxiation in the air pocket in the car HOURS later . He was protected by the DEMS the Kennedy Clan and the MSM. The same ‘libtard’ morons who are protecting the LYING Mohammedan BOGUS POTUS HUSSEIN now. ‘libtards’ like leopards never change their spots. Know what it means to asphyxiate it means you gradually over HOURS use up all the oxygen then start breathing back the CO2 you have breathed out. You can live in air pockets for HOURS so if the despicable COWARD Kennedy had reported the accident immediately instead of running around trying to protect his OWN arse she would be alive today. Anyone who eulogises and excuses this cowardly despicable man is a moron.
The 60 seat Senate majority is dead.
I am always amazed at what and who’libtards’ tell us DESERVES ‘respect’sems to me that the things ‘libtards’ respect tells us so much about THEM
Mohammedans deserve respect even though this CULT is responsible for inspiring Terrorist atrocities all over the world on a daily basis. BTW calling them Mohammedans is not disrespectful its truthful they venerate, emulate and worship this man much as they try to deny it and after all he did INVENT Islam.
The Obamanation deserves respect even though he has LIED and cheated constantly about virtually EVERYTHING and is deliberately HIDING very pertinent facts and documents.
Blacks deserve respect even though 96% of them voted in a blatantly racist way for the Obamanation and are 10 times more likely to be violent than whites.
Ted Kennedy deserves respect even though this COWARD RAN AWAY to save his own ass and left his adulterous GF pregnant with his bastard child to die completely unnecessarily and also supported Irish Terrorists and contacted the KGB.
‘libtards’ deserve respect even though they largely have no idea about the man they voted in their naive gullible hysterical ignorance in to the White House was such left wing Mohammedan socialist dedicated to destroying the USA and rebuilding it in his own narcissistic image.
Interesting that the Democrat Charles Shumer pointed a finger at some banks and accused them of having shaky Barney Frank and Chris Dodd sub prime loans.
Remember the Cal bank failure and John McCain’s drop in the polls?
That caused the bailout of AIG and trillions of dollars to others.
Then the world markets took a dive.
Now we find out that England, Canada, California, Hawaii, Mass. and other states/countries that offer tax sponsored health care are failing.
They cant keep doling out tax payer monies to save their socialists system if the tax payer has no monies.
Thank you Charles Shumer you cabbage head.
You probably destroyed the Democrats chance at socialized medicine unless a dead Ted can bring it back from the grave.
I won’t disparage someone who just became a good democrat.
MR/MS MARIE CLAUDE: Your English is as atrocious as your French. That would make you Canadian. Well I’m off to a BBQ….new tourist just arrived.
MOHO:I truly admire your intellectual grandeur and rapier wit. Do you have day job? (and remember, volunteering for medical experiments does not count)?
For some reason, I picture you as a scraggly, pimply little guy with one finger stuck up his nose. I don’t know exactly why this image forms when I read your prose, but there you have it. Scraggly, pimply little twerp with a finger up his nose.
225. Russell Abraham wrote:
Yes a young woman did die in a car accident 40 years ago, but only democrats get into car accidents and those people are who are hurt can be called murder victims by the right.
Peter writes: Please list all the Republicans who killed an innocent person by abandoning them underwater and trying to come up with a believeable alibi instead of immediately calling the authorities.
Go aheah, I’ll wait.
Yeah, didn’t think you could.
What is it with all the libtards who will crucify a republican/conservative for the least indiscretion, but are more than willing to write off Teddy the Murderer as a “mistake” or “accident”?
There is NOTHING accidental about leaving a person to die when all you need do is call for help!
Carla, er Hmmm, you’re not “gifted” in psychology, if you had carefully read me, you would be sure of my Frenchiness, and of my Femaleship, some peculiar ones, I accord you, kinda martian’s !
My french is surely better than yours, though I adapt my style to the “ambiant” discourse, cuz ya know, I’m not “arrogant”, LMAO
uh, is your new tourist a “black sheep” that you’re going to criticize ?
Funny, we have about the same profession, I also get “tourists”, but rather, and more oftenly, enterprises’s ones
I’m getting enough of dealing with this sedentarian “work”, I want to sell my business, and become nomadic until the end of my life, ya know “France” is so “beautiful” (gniarc !), there are so many interesting historical places, that I haven’t had time to visit, and that are worth of a more proxy glance (Architecture & sculpture, especially of “Roman style, that interest me the most)
Pour revenir à Kenedy, here, people don’t associate him with that poor girl, but with the whole family saga ; for sure they’ll remain in history books
A man dies, diagnosed with inoperable brain cancer, after a year of fight and heroic efforts by medical professionals he still dies . . . It says much for the strength of the man and the quality of the care provided to him. Trouble is he is a Senator, heir to a fortune he did not create, and entitled to a medical care program where no expense is spared . . . Under the convoluted stupidity (that defines the effort . . . where it’s unimportant to actually read the bill) of the healthcare program as now envisioned how long would Kennedy have survived? A month? A week? With congress (by law) not subject to most legislation it writes they take no risk, risk is for the common folk, like taxes (ask Charlie Wrangle). SO now we have “progressive” talking heads demanding a bill “In Ted Kennedy’s name” . . . a Bill that will consign those considered to old/too sick/too expensive to care for and heal to a short phase of palliative care before they get out of the way. Ted would have been dead a year ago under such a program, do the left leaning really believe otherwise?
Additionally, Teddy’s fuming anger on camera at being unable to destroy Clarence Thomas supports his hate for what he sayshe believes.
The evil “dream lives on”
A man that never worked a day in his life. He was supported by the taxpayers his entire life.
What he did to Judge Bork was the beginning of the end for the 2 party system.
It is kind of funny to watch Mass twist itself in knots trying to overturn the law he got passed so that the state Gov could not appoint a replacement Senator.
#6 Old Soldier
This is why a pay a lot of money for Dish satellite tv. I can watch Home & Garden TV and SyFy for the next week, and never hear a word about a Kennedy.
@ Now and Then
As always, not a word about the actual post. Just an ugly statement taken out of thin air that has no bearing on anything.
I bet I can afford the fine for ecstatically pissing on his grave in Arlington National. He should be cremated and dumped in the bay at Chappaquidick (sp).
the heroes of our nation that rest in Arlington are likely spinning in their graves.
And remember the monster’s closest friends when you vote.
Start with Orrin Hatch.
I lived in D.C. during RFK’s reign. I could no longer stomach going to my favorite restaurant after drunken Teddy and a sidekick (Evan Bayh?) joked around with the Camelot groupies of the time by “rubbing their genitals across the napes of women patrons” (WP). Wasn’t he funny? Everyone at the time thought so.
Super moral Morman Orrin Hatch says he loves this guy.
259. Duane Phinney wrote:
It is kind of funny to watch Mass twist itself in knots trying to overturn the law he got passed so that the state Gov could not appoint a replacement Senator.
Peter writes: What you forgot to say is, the law he got passed so that the state REPUBLICAN Gov could not appoint a replacement Senator.
I heard on the news this morning the MA Legislature plans on holding public hearings regarding changing the law to suit the Dems again. I plan on being at that hearing and speaking my mind.
While attending Harvard College, Ted was expelled twice, once for cheating on a test, and once for paying a classmate to cheat for him. While expelled, Kennedy enlisted in the Army, but mistakenly signed up for four years instead of two. His father, Joseph P. Kennedy, former U.S. Ambassador to England, pulled the necessary strings to have his enlistment shortened to two years, and to ensure that he served in Europe, not Korea, where a war was raging. Kennedy was assigned to Paris, never advanced beyond the rank of Private, and returned to Harvard upon being discharged.
While attending the law school at the University of Virginia, he was cited for reckless driving four times, including once when he was clocked driving 90 miles per hour in a residential neighborhood with his headlights off after dark. Yet his Virginia driver’s license was never revoked. He passed the bar exam in 1959, and two years later was appointed an Assistant to the District Attorney in Massachusetts’ Suffolk County.
I’ve nothing good to say about the man.
His name on the healthcare bill would be perfect: A reminder that when you need help, you’ll get what Mary Jo got.
MARIE CLAUDE:
Ah la belle France. Great food, beautiful language (except yours) , wonderful museums, pretty countryside. And friendly people, except for Parisiennes. Too much attitude. Eh bien, ca va. The tourist came out well, or rather medium rare. Very tasty.
The most imortant lesson derived from the Kennedy saga is that if you are wealthy, and are named Kennedy, you can get away with murder in New England.
Well, at least it will give us some relief from the non-stop MSM mourning over Michael Jackson’s death.
I don’t care if Ted Kennedy solved all the riddles of the universe — his craven actions leading to Mary Jo Kopechne’s death wipe out everything.
The excuses I’ve seen justifying those actions are sickening. “Youthful indiscretion,” “back pain” — I’ll bet Mary Jo would like to have had a chance at those, herself. A lot better than dying in terror and agony. An official report states there was a two-hour timeframe she spent gasping what air remained in the submerged car.
Never mind the rest of Ted’s sordid past — cheating, assault on women, etc. — he could have been pure as the driven snow, and still I’d feel the same way. That he WAS a liar, cheat, womanizer, etc. only puts the seal on my belief.
“The Lion of the Senate” will forever be “Swan-dive Ted” to me.
Humans have a tendency to fall in to paroxysms of grief over the deaths of the prominent, the glamorous, and the powerful (e.g., Princess Diana). Ted Kennedy was one of them. I pray that he made peace with God over the Kopechne affair, but let’s remember that he was a fallible man, who, though rich himself, dedicated himself to spending everyone else’s money.
My Dad died in April at age 84, after carrying a serious WWII wound for 64 years and not complaining about it even once (even though it interfered with his work as a farmer and caused him chronic pain). He just went about his business, working hard, and raising an honorable family. I’d stack him up against Kennedy any day.
If they wish to name the Health Care bill after Kennedy, so be it–but just remember that one of Ford’s worst disasters was the Edsel, named after a Ford family member. And what we have with the health care bill makes the Edsel look like a a Ferrari. You’d have to pay me a lot of money to put my name on that rancid piece of legislative overreach and hubris.
I hate to see anyone attacking a dead man. I, however, have not said a word, until this moment, on my blog or anywhere else about the death of Ted Kennedy. He got drunk, drove his car off a bridge, left a woman to die, and for that fact alone, he should have never died a sitting Senator. I offer my sympathies to his family. This article is not hateful, it’s honest. The comments calling him a fat drunk? Unnecessary and put Conservatives on the same level as Liberals who have done everything short of throwing parties when a Conservative Icon dies. The truth is, for Liberals, Ted Kennedy stood for everything they believed in. He is their “Lion in the Senate” for the same reason that many of us Conservatives consider Reagan one of the greatest Presidents ever. They are entitled to view him through the window of his accomplishments, because frankly, his accomplishments are their own closely held belief system.
So Kennedy died. Big deal. Too bad he didn’t take Jane Fonda with him
Moho(mmad),Now&Then,Praetorian…
Ok,Ok, Moho(mmad) you bring the Stoli…N&T you bring the muddy water…Praetorian you bring the ice.
Mix the muddy water with the Stoli, shake it with ice, now pour it into a Martini glass and Presto! you have a Chappaquidick, neat.
Bottoms up, fellow travellers!
Ted(271),
Your father sounds like a great man and one who is dearly missed.
But in all fairness, Bloated Ted would have trouble stacking up against most single-cell life forms, and in fact, contributed far less to the world than any of them as well. Well, he did provide the bulk of marginal profit to companies like Diageo and Inbev, so I guess that’s one area where he would have edged out an amoeba.
255. Don:
“Ted would have been dead a year ago under such a program, do the left leaning really believe otherwise?”
Probably one of the many reasons why ‘they’ exempted themselves from the bill they wrote.
“borked” “swiftboated”, comments by different beliefs having the same meaning.
The UK Daily Mail has a great summary of his life.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1209313/Ted-Kennedy-The-Senator-Sleaze-drunk-sexual-bully–left-young-woman-die.html
270. The riddle of the Universe is: ” the banana is big, but its skin is even bigger”
We need some comic relief here, so that’s my two cents.
A comment heard hear that we’ll be hearing all weekend:
“He cared about those that were less fortunate…”
Yeah, right. Unless you happen to be upside down in a creek and up to your neck in water!
Bottomline: Teddy should have died in prison…
…countrymen, lend me your ears.
I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him.
The evil that men do, lives after them,
The good is oft interred with their bones;
so let it be with Caesar.
Mark Antony in Juluis Caesar by W. Shakespeare
Some men are killed in a war and some men are wounded, and some never leave the country…. Life is unfair.
JFK 1917-63 from “Robert Kennedy and His Times” by A.M. Schlesinger
For us in Russia Communism is a dead dog, while for many in the West it is still a living Lion. Alexander Solzhenitsyn ‘The Listener’ 15 Feb 1979
Washington dems are suggesting that the “health care” bill be called the Kennedy Health Care bill. It would be better named the Kennedy-Kopechne bill as it would do as much for us as Kennedy did for Mary Jo Kopechne when he left her to drown in his car after he drove it off the bridge and swam away to confer with his lawyer and p.r. man.
Jim:
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He’s dead, He’s still dead/
“Suffer on, buddy, all you want…”
Cristina, I assure you, that I’m not suffering in the slightest.
I loathe Ted Kennedy, I loathe his “ideals”, and I loathe the political party he was associated with.
I just prefer to park my loathing for a day or two after he’s died, mostly just in case his friends or family members should happen to hear people vilifying him while they’re trying to deal with the initial grief and shock they’re feeling over his death.
I think Teddy Kennedy was less than an ideal legislator. And as far left as he veered over the course of his career in the Senate, he definitely consorted with some unsavory ilk, took almost every conceivable wrong position on issues, and made some improvident statements (and worse – viz. regarding Robert Bork). But calling him a “murderer” and saying that he “should have died in prison” surely goes too far. No one would have wanted the hand Ted Kennedy was dealt in life – watching his brothers murdered, having a son afflicted with bone cancer requiring amputation, surviving to see three nephews more than nominally entrusted to his care die in tragic circumstances. So, if in the end he became what he was – wrong about major issues, flawed of his moral effects – maybe we ought to be a little less than gleeful on the occasion of his passing than some of the commentators (and Roger Kimbal) above seem to be.
# 124 pete salveinini:
“…and we can be confident that he received the Sacraments. This last point will have gotten him saved.”
Unbelievable statement from a supposedly free, thinking person in the 21st century. I’m speechless.
It would be Obama’s America that would break down the doors of people who arrive at different conclusions than he, instead of this quote from Senator Kennedy: “Robert Bork’s America is a land in which women would be forced into back-alley abortions, blacks would sit at segregated lunch counters, rogue police could break down citizens’ doors in midnight raids, schoolchildren could not be taught about evolution, writers and artists could be censored at the whim of the Government, and the doors of the Federal courts would be shut on the fingers of millions of citizens.”[
# 285 Mark S. Devenow:
Let me shock your sensibilities even further and say that Teddy took full advatage of the hand that he had been dealt in life, both before and after his brothers’ deaths; the rest, cancers, etc., are things that most of us go through, common fare for which nobody errects us a monument or excuses us for our transgressions.
Teddy actively sought to replace his brothers politically (sibling rivalry comes to mind given that he was the least gifted among them; he couldn’t pass a simple Spanish exam and his rambling incoherence whenever he spoke without a prepared text throughout his career is famous) and perpetuate his clan’s power, the main reason why he didn’t want to have his escapade with Mary Jo known, the main reason he left her to die in that shallow ditch.
Yeah, that’s not qualified murder, but it’s pretty close to it, and no amount of self-serving but doubtful career scores in Congress or customary piety can whitewash Teddy’s immense ambition. That was his driving force. The will to power.
#285
“I think Teddy Kennedy was less than an ideal legislator.”
Read what the KGB had to say about him.
http://threebeerslater.blogspot.com/2009/08/look-back.html
Less than ideal? How about treason to go along with murder?
“At a time when our entire country
is banding together and facing down
individualism, the Patriots set a wonderful
example, showing us all what is possible
when we work together, believe
in each other, and sacrifice for the
greater good.”
SEN. EDWARD KENNEDY, D-MASS., in a statement read
onto the Congressional Record, praising the New
England Patriots and declaring us all to be in
an American war against individualism. –
Quoted in America’s 1st Freedom magazine, April, 2002
Now, compare with this:
“Thus state of mind, which subordinates the interests of the
ego to the conservation of the community, is really the first premise for every truly human culture…” Adolf Hitler, _Mein_Kampf_
Good people die, we mourn; tyrants die, we gain reprieve.
The question is not whether or not Kennedy received the Anointing of the Sick, but rather whether or not it was worth anything to him. The Sacraments are the power of God to the believer, but they are worthless gestures to the one who doesn’t believe on the source of their power. Unless a work is done in faith, it avails nothing.
242. Scott:
“Satan can’t take what belongs to God.”
Of course, neither exist.
285. Mark S. Devenow wrote:
No one would have wanted the hand Ted Kennedy was dealt in life – watching his brothers murdered, having a son afflicted with bone cancer requiring amputation, surviving to see three nephews more than nominally entrusted to his care die in tragic circumstances.
Peter asks: And that absolves him from killing Mary Jo how exactly?
Does anyone know how Teddy escaped from the car and Mary Jo couldn’t?
Teddy wasn’t alone. His brothers John and Robert were with him in that car. They held her down while she struggled to free herself. They thought she was actually Marylin Monroe’s sister. Teddy went back to the party. John and Bobby went back into hiding. And the rest is history. You didn’t know that? DUH!
291.
Vivo, I know. Congrats, you passed the test(:
It takes someone like Ted Kennedy to remind us that funeral starts with FUN. Thanks for the celebration, Ted. Sorry we can’t do it but once. Seeing you go over and over would be a hoot, but you’re worth more to America dead than alive. Stay that way. God have mercy on your soul, if you had any left, Teddy.
From all account, Kennedy was well liked by his peers in the Senate–he related well to his equals. But I have not heard much from common people who had to deal with him. Did he treat the little people with respect? He claimed that he was on their side, but how did he actually treat them?
Also, did he actually believe his own positions, or did he take those positions because they were the positions that gave prestige among the opinion elite of this country? I wonder about that because from some accounts he seems to have been a conflicted soul.
May he rest in peace.
From the update:
“There is not one thing he proposed that deals with helping people who actually work for a living, or a business, or promoting capitalism.”
The blog over at the American Spectator says he was instrumental in early deregulation legislation of interstate trucking and airline ticket prices. So opinion in the quotation is wrong. See
http://spectator.org/blog/2009/08/26/ted-kennedy-deregulation
298. nohype wrote:
But I have not heard much from common people who had to deal with him. Did he treat the little people with respect? He claimed that he was on their side, but how did he actually treat them?
Peter writes: From the tidbits of local news I have seen, with the amount of people lining the roads and lining up to go view his coffin at the JFK Library, you would think he was handing out $100 bills on the street-corner every weekend.
However, I also heard something on the radio this afternoon from a guy who, 21 years ago when he was 10 and living in Massachusetts, went to see Ted speak at a local gathering and afterward asked to meet the prestegious Senator. When this young boy was introduced, Kennedy patted him on the shoulder (like saying “Nice kid, now go away”) and pushed him away so he could go back to talking to the ‘important’ people. The guy said he turned into a conservative Republican that night and has found no reason to change again ever since.
The scary fact is that Obama was ranked more liberal than Teddy boy.
300. Peter the Bubblehead:
That’s it? That’s the best you could come up with? All your powers and connections and insight into all things liberal and this is the evidence of mean ole Teddy? Better keep Googling. I’m sure there are some lies you haven’t yet uncovered.
Christina/Peter the Bubblehead -
I seem to recall having conceded that Teddy Kennedy was flawed of his moral effects. I do not regard this as absolving him of that night in the summer of 1969. Still, this bacchanal over his dead body is extremely unseemly and not worthy of people who wish to be involved in seious discourse regarding the claims and judgment of history and the character of human nature which (as conservatives ought to know better than liberals) is flawed to begin with.
Kennedy was a manipulative, self absorbed, example of all that is wrong in American Politics. Let’s be honest, he should have been done after the less than spectacular performance on the bridge. For those of you who are not aware, the bridge has since been removed. He had a wail of a career as a rich white male working for the poor. He wrote and sponsored “No Child Left Behind”, a screaming success according to absolutely NOBODY. But he saved his last, best and most telling look into his mind when he asked, literally from his death bed, to change the LAW THAT HE HAD CHANGED 5 YEARS AGO BACK. He now wants a successor named, but that was unacceptable when Romney a Republican was in charge. He did not think the rules and laws that he helped write confined or were meant for him. That is why we hear that he was for this health care, because he still would have been going to DUKE and all the other top notch medical facilities he could afford, your kids wouldn’t, but his would.
I can respect a man for believing what he does and living by those beliefs, but I can’t respect a man who manipulates the system in order to force those beliefs on me.
I was a child in rural ma, a child born into a blue color worker and farming family, when Teddy Kennedy was first elected as my senator; the success of my whole life and my life principles can be attributed to him, his brothers, and others like them. As a child, I was inspired by their support for civil rights, for mitigating poverty and injustice, for making america a place that people throughout the world could admire and emulate. He made me want to be a good person and to contribute to make the community, state, country, and world I live in the best it can be. Thanks to the legislation he and his colleagues passed over the next couple of decades, I had an opportunity for a great public education; access to goverment loans and work study grants assured that I wasn’t bankrupt at the end; the Kennedys’ support for science, technology, and healthcare inspired me to get a degree in science; the role model of strength and athletics emboddied in Kennedy family women, inspired me into a field that had few women at the time and allowed me to be taken seriously by my male counterparts. Thanks to the likes of Kennedy, the Mass legislature, and the liberal and vivacious massachusetts culture, I found great job opportunities in massachusetts Biotech industry. Kennedy’s passion for fair access to affordable and good quality healthcare inspires me in my daily decisions about quality and cost. I am greatful that Massachusetts’ continued support for education,science and technology provides one of the most ambitious, imaginitive workforces in the world to hire from. As a daughter of aging parents, I am grateful to Kennedy for doing so much to fight for their interests. I’m proud that I voted for this man in whom so many ambitious students, struggling parents, needy veterans, ailing people, aging citizens have put their hopes for many years. I hope I and others can continue his work.
This is my response to the mean-spirited, the whiny, the ungreatful, the “what’s in it for me-ers” who fill this blog. Read Dante to know where your final destiny lies.
Just read your “update”. Excuse me? I “work for a living” and I see just about everything Kennedy has done as helping to promote working people, and consequently business and capitalism. Only people who think that abusing your workers and discriminating in employment is “good business” would think otherwise. Just look at the state Sen Kennedy represented … has one of the best overall qualities of life: highest incomes, below average tax rates, excellent schools, low poverty rate, low crime rates, best healthcare in the country. Lucky citizens of that state for having a representative who fought to make it so.
funny that you accuse Sen Kennedy of being a liar …
hmmm … what happened to my comment sent and posted a while ago … did it get pulled because you didn’t want to post anything that challenged your negative portrayal? too mature for your audience?
I wish to retract my previous statement. I see the early comment was reposted. and my second comment was inappropriate
#291 vivo:
“242. Scott:
“Satan can’t take what belongs to God.”
Of course, neither exist.”
No…YOU do not exist.
309. Bilgeman:
WHO doesn’t exist?
Frankly, any conservative like me who likes Strauss must see the Kennedy fenomenon with a smile in his face.
It is a sign that the USA are still a Republic and not a democracy, And quite an aristocratic one: the Kennedys, the Clintons, the Bushes,…
Ted belongued to one aristocratic family who seek suport in the populace, just like happened in ancien Rome. The only difference being that there they used their own money and Ted used the one that belongued to others.
pooorcitizen: Oh PLEEEEZ! What country have YOU lived in since 1942?
I’m a Realist shunning the “politically-correct” club and AM AWARE of Kennedy’s sickening legacy?!? as one of the most evil, dispicable politician/murderers who ever evolved from America’s never-ending list of “Atrocious Aristocrats!” His every breath stained our Country’s honor and heritage!
It’s incredible you can praise? that priviledged elite’s “40 years of evil, unlawful behavior and tactics!”…a “NO MERCY!” mentality which was the basis for him walking on the backs of America’s Middle Class and pooor people!
Kennedy’s sickening smile unmistakably mocked the “politically-correct” public who never required that disgusting slime-bag to be responsible at any time for the countless wrongs he did, even murder! Guess what, Teddy? GOD WAS keeping track of everything, and you’re GONNA’ pay!