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Notes from the post-racial presidency

August 20, 2009 - 10:07 am - by Roger Kimball
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That’s just about the size of it, Kemo Sabe. Take his advice: write to NBC and complain. Here is some contact info:

ew York, NY 10112 (Map)
Phone: 212-664-4444
Fax: 212-664-4085

NBC Headquarters
30 Rockefeller Plaza
New York, NY 10112
Tel 212-664-4444
Fax 212-664-4426

NBC Washington Bureau
4001 Nebraska Ave NW
Washington, DC 20016
Tel 202-885-4200
Fax 202-362-2009
Letters world@msnbc.com

Nightly News
30 Rockefeller Plaza
New York, NY 10112
Tel 212-664-4971/4691 or 202-885-4259
Fax 201-583-5453
Email nightly@nbc.com
Executive Producer
David Corvo david.corvo@nbc.com 212-664-4850

Meet the Press
4001 Nebraska Ave NW
Washington DC 20016
Tel 202-885-4598
Fax 202-966-4544
Letters mtp@msnbc.com
Executive Producer
Nancy Nathan nancy.nathan@nbc.com

Today Show
30 Rockefeller Plaza
New York, NY 10112
Tel 212-664-4249
Fax 212-664-2914
Email today@nbc.com
Executive Producer Jeff Zucker
jeff.zucker@nbc.com 212-664-2830

Dateline NBC
30 Rockefeller Plz
New York NY 10112
Tel 212-664-7501
Fax 212-664-7864/7073
Email dateline@nbc.com

MSNBC
One MSNBC Plaza
Secaucus NJ 07094
Tel (201) 583-5000
Fax (201) 583-5453/5584
Email letters@msnbc.com world@msnbc.com
201-583-5030
(Steven Capus, exec producer steven.capus@msnbc.com 201-583-5102)

Hardball w Chris Matthews hardball@msnbc.com 202-783-2615

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122 Comments, 122 Threads, 8 Trackbacks

  1. 1. David Thomson

    The General Electric Corporation owns MSNBC. Jeffrey Immelt is its CEO—and he is in deep doo-doo if Barack Obama fails to get cap and trade (tax) and “health care reform” passed in both houses of Congress. I am sure that Immelt has tacitly, if not even explicitly, told the mangers of MSNBC to pull out all the stops to destroy anyone who gets in the way of the Obama juggernaut. GE literally has billions of dollars invested in “green technology” and governmental control of American health care. We can also take it for granted that Immelt will probably be fired before the year is over if Obama’s policies are defeated. This guy has little to lose if MSNBC continues to lose influence and eyeballs. Immelt has much bigger fish to fry.

  2. 2. HRPKathy

    It seems the media’s lies by omission aren’t doing the job for them any more. Plan B: lies of commission. Just when you think they can’t go any lower, they plumb new depths.

  3. 3. Rod Stanton

    NBC must have found Cronkite’s 60 year old “Ugly American” playbook. They did not consider that when Walter doctored his “News” reels for TV there were no cellphones. Only the word of a bunch of “Bible thumpers” to say his “news” was fabricated. Now it is not so hard to prove the Press makes the film to suit their bigotry. Walter did not know how lucky he was.

  4. 4. Moho

    For being post-racial, you all seem incredibly focused on black people.

  5. 5. tired

    The D.C. Bureau Chief is now Mark Whitaker, although I think the last of NBC’s integrity may have died with Mr. Russert.

  6. 6. Fairbanks99

    After American Revolution II, we’ll have Nuremburg II, and the media can join Soros, Gore, Immelt and Ayers on the docket.

  7. 7. Calvin Ball

    DNFFT

  8. 8. robotech master

    Ron Rosenbaum thinks that not only is the MSNBC video legit but its covers all the “FACTS” in ALL these cases.

    Ron Rosenbaum in fact believes MSNBC didn’t do a good enough job in his view this guy is nothing but a “brainless thug and bully putting innocent people in danger because they’re too cowardly to argue like civilized people.” Whose sole goal “was to terrorize them”(the ppl at these rallies much the same as the ppl handing out constitutions terrorize ppl at these rallies too). He did stop short of demanding he be lynched for these “evil” crimes.

    Also he said THINK OF THE CHILDREN… “do you approve of carrying guns to town halls where children are present?” he asks… we all know this black guy could have started shooting kids up, he is after all BLACK. Or even more likely the gun armed with KID SEEKING HOMING BULLETS would jump off his shoulder, start flying around through the air, shooting its KID SEEKING HOMING BULLETS at every kid at the rally. MILLIONS OF CHILDREN COULD HAVE DIED maybe even BILLIONS due to this(as Ron Rosenbaum puts it) “brainless thug and bully putting innocent people in danger”.

    THINK OF THE CHILDREN.

  9. 9. Tim Mayhugh

    Hey Moho, suck it. We are focused on the blatant lies and misinformation as provided by the so-called press. I recommend we give MSNBC the Leni Riefanstahl award for excellence in propaganda. This sure as hell is not the news.

  10. 10. steveg

    Has anyone else been to the NBC store in NYC? One third of the merchandise sold there is pertaining to Obama or the White House.

  11. 11. Pinkie French

    Lies of ommission. Journalists have killed their own profession.

    I would say prostitutes are more honest because at least you know they are going to screw you, how well, just depends on the $$’s you spend.

    ps, attention members of the media. We too have read Saul Alinski’s book, Rules for Radicals….

  12. 12. Still Bill

    Tokyo Rose would be proud of the shills at MSNBC. Immelt: A very small minority of Americans hate this country, be they Democrats, Republicans, or Independents. Why is it that most of that small minority of America haters work at MSNBC. You are a fool, and the Board of Directors at GE who let you keep your job are fools too.

  13. 13. steveg

    #2 David..Let’s not forget MSNBC is a joint venture with Microsoft. Amazingly, Bill Gates is a liberal democrat, even after all the grief he received from the Clinton Justice Department.

  14. 14. malclave

    @5. Moho:

    “For being post-racial, you all seem incredibly focused on black people.”

    Well, they’re people. I know libs like you hate that fact, and are eager to send any uppity n-words you find to the hospital (as your SEIU stormtroopers proved in St. Louis).

  15. 15. steveg

    I realize this is normally a tactic of the left, but I say boycott everything even remotely tied to General Electric.

  16. 16. bibio44

    “…the legacy (formerly the mainstream) media … elected Barack Obama.”

    No, Roger, Sarah Palin elected Obama. Democrats only hope she runs again.

    “I have to say, though, that I was a little taken aback by the depths to which they were willing to descend. Remember the chap who showed up to an Obama speech in Phoenix wearing an assault rifle.”

    Is that what takes you aback, Roger, media coverage of a “chap” with an assault weapon outside a venue where the president is speaking? How about the “chap” in New Hampshire, similarly carrying a weapon and a sign saying “It’s Time To Water the Tree of Liberty” — i.e., time for bloodshed. Does that take you aback, Roger? It was instructive to see clips on the Daily Show of a couple arrested outside a Bush rally for wearing non-profane anti-Bush t-shirts. I guess the authorities were afraid they might try to strangle the president with them.

  17. 17. momof3

    Wow. I’ll be writing MSNBC a little letter over that. Not that it will do any good at all.

  18. 18. BSdetector

    Is anyone surprised by this?

  19. One of the reasons I do not watch television or read newsprint or periodicals is because they leave out what does not help the story line. Cutting out parts of a video and editing such of any event will only show what they want you to believe. My grandfather Nat Caldwell won a Pulitzer Prize in 1962 and was a Nieman Fellow.

    http://www.stateline.org/live/ViewPage.action?siteNodeId=136&languageId=1&contentId=13956

    He told me to believe about one half of what you see on television news and about one tenth of what you read, he also taught me that the real meat of the story is in the first paragraph as a matter of fact as he was driving me to school my job was to read the headlines and just the first paragraph of each story. This was back in the 60′s and early 70′s so now I would say believe almost nothing you read and the same with broadcast television.

    I suppose you must ask who, what, when, where, and why when watching television and check for other sources before making your own conclusion.

  20. 20. Jack Olson

    Roger Kimball lists the mailing addresses of NBC executives to encourage Pajamas readers to write to complain. I doubt that would have any effect. When you contradict a deluded person’s delusions, he takes that as further evidence for them. If you point out to NBC executives that it is disingenuous to have his newsbabe talk about the “racial overtones” of white people taking guns to political rallies while your cameraman crops footage of a black man to show his rifle but not his race, the NBC executive will not take that as evidence of his network’s deceptive coverage. He will take it as more “racial overtones.”

    Ask NPR why their report on current racial tension omitted the fact of a black man beaten by SIEU thugs at a rally a couple of weeks ago, and they will conclude that you criticized their reportage because you’re some sort of racist.

    If you try telling CNN executives that the Tea Parties this year were a genuinely popular revolt against the vast bailouts of irresponsible borrowers and badly run companies instead of a Fox News publicity stunt, they will marvel at how effectively Fox has brainwashed you. Try telling Nancy Pelosi that the hostility Congressmen faced at public meetings during the August recess is pretty much what a Congress can expect when its approval rating is at its lowest in history, and she will shrug your comment off as “Astroturf.”

    Deluded people see all evidence as support for their delusions. They are impervious to logic because they hold their delusions for emotional reasons over which logic has no power. Don’t bother writing to MSNBC. If you do, they will include it as more evidence of the racism they’re so desperate to find that they will hallucinate it if necessary.

  21. 21. malclave

    18. bibio44:

    “No, Roger, Sarah Palin elected Obama. Democrats only hope she runs again.”

    A very superficial attempt at thought there, biblio, but at least you’re making an effort. If the media had not demonstrated an absolute lack of journalistic ethics, Biden would have had a greater negative effect on Obama than Palin is supposed to have had on McCain. If Democrats are hoping she runs again, it’s because they’re counting on the continuing malfeasance of the media.

    Oh, and as an aside, since you brought up T-shirts… what’s your opinion of the “Sarah Palin is a C**t” T-shirts (not asterisked out on the actual article, of course) that were being sold at mybarackobama.com?

  22. 22. Jim Baker

    Again, we get the usual smarmy rantings from the trolls Moho and bibio44.

  23. 23. bibio44

    “Oh, and as an aside, since you brought up T-shirts… what’s your opinion of the “Sarah Palin is a C**t” T-shirts (not asterisked out on the actual article, of course) that were being sold at mybarackobama.com?”

    I think it’s despicable. I think she’s pathetically out of her depth, noting more. If it were up to me, displaying profanity in public would be outlawed. So would assault rifles. But, alas, it isn’t up to me.

  24. 24. Blarty Blarckleblart

    It’s okay, folks. Just pull Fox News over you like a warm blanket and hear only what you want to hear…

  25. 25. Roderick Reilly

    18. bibio44:

    “No, Roger, Sarah Palin elected Obama. Democrats only hope she runs again.”

    Yeah, I know, many people chose not to vote for McCain because they were petrified that “an idiot” would become Vice President.

    Oh. Wait.

    Hey, at least Sarah Palin would’ve been a whole lot easier on the eyes than Biden, and besides, even though Palin may be “Caribou Barbie,” she’s not the one with the doll-hair implants.

  26. 26. karlinsync

    Where can the minority seek justice for the garbage MSNBC dishes out! I hope the Republicans find a way to seek justice for the corruption that is currently going on in media, the DOJ, and the Congress. Oh, yea watch Fox News and wait for the advertisers drop NBC, CBS, and ABC!

  27. 27. Deb

    You can turn Chris Matthews on anytime and he’s talking about race. He’s like obsessed with it or something. I noticed several days ago that the dude with the assault rifle was black. I wonder why more haven’t spoken up on this issue. I would think the black community would be feeling insulted by the way they have been used on MSNBC for about 2 years now.

  28. 28. Delia

    Holy shiznit! That middle-aged, white, gun-toting, anti-0bama, right-wing nut sure does tan well.

    The truth is funnier than fiction.

  29. 29. Ron888

    Time for Mark Twain’s quote to be updated to cover broadcast news:
    “If you don’t read the newspapers, you are uninformed; if you do read the newspapers, you are misinformed.”

  30. 30. pillow talk

    what do you guys think about Urkel showing up to an Arizona town hall with an AR15 assault rifle.

  31. 31. evan45

    check out a similar article:

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/08/the_racial_straw_man_in_the_he.html

  32. 32. pillow talk

    there is no such thing as “post racial”

  33. 33. AThinkingPerson

    Contessa Brewer, one of MSNBC’s finest, at the onset of the townhalls called the protesters “bozos” for speaking out. Kind of made her “reporting” moot on anything else that has any relation to the Obama abomination ,er, I mean administration.

    I think it’s time to place MSNBC in the same “news” genre with E!. All B.S., all the time.

  34. 34. pillow talk

    How about Urkel showing up to the Arizona town hall with an AR15 assault rifle strapped to his back. Oh dear

  35. 35. Calvin Ball

    DNFTT

  36. 36. Steve from Wisconsin

    The best phrase I know for MSNBC, NY Times, etc. is “state-run media”. When I first I heard that, I thought it was a little over-the-top, but now I see that it’s an accurate depiction of what we have in the so-called “mainstream media”. It’s a complete joke!

  37. 37. AThinkingPerson

    What does it say about the liberals when they now sink to using race to prop up the Obama administration? I guess when they can’t argue anymore that his policies are good, his polling numbers are high and most Americans still agree with him, the only card left in their deck is race.

    Typical small-minded liberals.

  38. 38. dumbfounded

    The state of politics today is to paint alot of people with the same brush.This means that opposing Obama means that you must be a racist.Maybe an infintesimal percentage of people are white racists. However,most people oppose Obama for a number of reasons.Most people who have been self-reliant and responsible are appalled that are government is so irresponsible.First, there are people who are angry about the deficits which are beyond imagination.Second, there are people who are angry about the ludicrous waste of money which is being wasted in pork barrel projects. Third, there are people who are angry in the face of higher state, local and federal taxes as they are struggling thru a recession in their own households.Fourth, there are people who are angry about big companies like AIG and GM getting bailed out while the rest of us struggle thru tough times as we are asked to pay for these failed enterprises. Fifth, there are angry people who are upset when there is talk about taxing their health plans, while making an exception for labor unions who supported the president.Sixth, there are people who are upset about having their e-mails sent to the white house and having talk radio targeted because they dislike the political message. Seventh,people are angry about a cap and trade system which squeezes the average struggling American as they watch politicians take private Gulf stream jets to exotic locations while they villanize families taking a trip in an SUV.Were tired of corruption by both parties and we have lost faith in our elected leaders and we dont believe that the media is honest. AND YES, there is a racist redneck or two in every crowd, but how dare try to ignore us! Those of us who have raised our families, paid our taxes and have lived our lives with honesty- How dare you try to find a nut in the crowd and try to make all of us look like angry crazy mobs!We are the sane ones who live within our means and try to be humble and trustworthy.

  39. 39. jelani jones

    right-wing propaganda websites, the fox “news” channel, the New York post, nut-job radio hosts. Is stupidity contageous among right-wingers? and the propaganda on this web-site is top notch in its palin-esqe simplicity perfect for the IQ of your conservative sheep. But don’t worry you will have the next 7+ years to bury your head’s in your Obama hating pillows, and when you wake up from your black man as president paranoia there will be health care for all, comprehensive immigration reform, and insurance reform and your sorry little lives can continue. by the way there were plently of sell-out blacks who helped capture slaves and fight against civil rights so one gun toting uncle tom appeaser and one amos and andy chairman does not suprise anyone

  40. 40. Blarty Blarckleblart

    41. jelani jones:

    right-wing propaganda websites, the fox “news” channel, the New York post, nut-job radio hosts. Is stupidity contageous among right-wingers? and the propaganda on this web-site is top notch in its palin-esqe simplicity perfect for the IQ of your conservative sheep.

    You said it – this place is awesome. It’s like the 190-proof Everclear of wingnuttia. That’s why it’s so much fun!

  41. 41. Flint

    The whole point of this exercise, for the Kossites, is the orgasmic gratification derived from playing Meathead to our Archie Bunkers. If the appropriate facts do not exist, they must be contrived.

  42. 42. Dave H

    Apparently, the guy with the gun is a “post-racial” black man, and therefore, in the eyes of liberals, “white.”

  43. 43. AThinkingPerson

    jelani jones: Please, enjoy this little snippet from AIR AMERICA, the ultra-liberal talk radio channel, call Obama a “charming liar” and out him on his secret deal with the drug companies (which he said during the campaign he would never do). Sometimes you must SEE AND HEAR to finally believe…

    http://www.thefoxnation.com/air-america/2009/08/20/air-america-radio-calls-obama-charming-liar

  44. 44. Delia

    Well, it sure didn’t take long for one of the dung beetles to make mention of an ‘Uncle Tom’.

    Racial/Ethnic ‘sensitivity’ sure does go out the Left-minded window when a person of color isn’t marching to their drum beat.

    Pathetic.

  45. 45. misanthropicus

    RE #5/Moho: [...[ For being post-racial, you all seem incredibly focused on black people. [...]

    For a political age that was inaugurated by “God damn’ America!”, “This is a downright mean country!”, “bitter white men,” “whiteys”, “this a nation acts cowardly when it come to race matters” and “the police acted stupidly”, is quite normal to check twice in any circumstance to see whether a black man is a black man and a white man is a white man, rifle slung on shoulder y compris.
    Makes sense?

  46. 46. misanthropicus

    RE #30/Delia: [...] That middle-aged, white, gun-toting, anti-0bama, right-wing nut sure does tan well.
    [...]

    Mark sir, his Brooks Brothers shirt – this is how bitter white guys go nowdays.

  47. 47. Goldberg

    Maybe my point is picky, but that was not a machine gun. It was a semi-automatic rifle. Kind of like confusing a Tonka truck and a semi.

  48. 48. davod

    “I think it’s despicable. I think she’s pathetically out of her depth, noting more. If it were up to me, displaying profanity in public would be outlawed. So would assault rifles. But, alas, it isn’t up to me.”

    Comments like these show why it is such a brilliant idea for Palin to write articles using her Facebook account.

    The general public can read her comments as she writes them. All without being filtered by the likes of you, or the MSM gaggle which gets its marching orders every morning from the Obama line, and yes, even the nattering Nabobs of the conservative elites.

    All the demonizing will finally be usefull as the public realizes they were duped.

  49. 49. Davod

    Comments like these show why it is such a brilliant idea for Palin to write articles using her Facebook account.

    Well, its not exactly brilliant but it does prevent her making a fool of herself in public with her unintelligible speeches. This way, her comments can be vetted by her communications director before they go out.

  50. 50. Conservative Mom

    Yes, we need to boycott GE, I have already for years because of their sales to Terrorist Nations. This has nothing to do with tactics, they are a bad, bad company. Of course Obamabots love them because their messiah does.

  51. 51. Gracie

    “post racial” will not be ahppening anytime soon….

    30 and 48…soooo true…
    I did not write this…dallan did…

    vallan 7 hours ago

    How many are actually paying attention to this?
    There are African Americans, Mexican Americans, Asian Americans, Arab Americans, Native Americans, etc.
    And then there are just Americans
    You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction. You Call me White boy, Cracker, Honkey, Whitey, Caveman. And that’s OK.
    You call me a racist.
    You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you, So why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live?
    You have the United Negro College Fund. You have Martin Luther King Day. You have Black History Month. You have Cesar Chavez Day. You have Ma’uled Al-Nabi You have the NAACP. You have BET.
    If we had WET (White Entertainment Television) — We’d be racists.
    If we had a White Pride Day — You would call us racists.
    If we had White History Month — We’d be racists.
    If we had any organization for only whites to “advance OUR lives” — You would call us racists.
    We have a Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, a Black Chamber of Commerce, and then we just have the plain Chamber of Commerce.
    Wonder who pays for that?
    If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships You know we’d be racists.
    There are over 60 openly proclaimed Black Colleges in the US , yet if there were a “White college” THAT would be a racist college.
    In the Million Man March, you believed that you were marching For your race and rights. If we marched for our race and rights,
    You would call us racists.
    You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you’re Not afraid to announce it. But when we announce our white pride.
    You call us racists.
    You rob us, carjack us, and shoot at us. But, when a white police officer Shoots a black gang member or beats up a black drug-dealer running from the law and posing a threat to society. You call him a racist.
    I am proud and white.
    But, you call me a racist.
    Ever wonder…
    Why is it that only whites can be racists?
    **********************************************

  52. 52. Eric M.

    MSNBC passed on a genuine opportunity to highlight what could be interpreted as a truly “post racial” moment: black guy (traditionally left leaning) openly displaying his right to bear arms (value traditionally held by the right). Being the right is vastly populated by whites what this guy did was meld or reverse stereotypes. So even worse than obviously twisting the story to suit their own narrative MSNBC overlooked a small chance to in some way add to a “racial healing” narrative supposedly championed by the MSM.

  53. Incidents like this when the MSM is actively trying to propagandize the public is why we should all be wearing StarTrek commicator badges…until we can vote to have all the government employees be required to wear them. We have to change the paradigm and watch them. That is what has made them start to look weak. As long as they had the run of the press and network news with no other outlet for the truth all we could say was “baaaahhhhhh”. We can force them just by voting. The government, it’s stooges, and the police all work for us. We should monitor THEM!

  54. 54. malclave

    @41
    You’re a racist.

  55. 55. steveg

    #50 & #51..Davod. Talking to yourself sport? Sometimes I think leftist cultist were put on earth for a good laugh.

  56. 56. sub

    MSNBC is a piece of garbage, a trash filled dumpster of journalism’s worst and lowest. Actually, it’s fine, because they’re taking themselves out with crap like this. idiots, fools, bottom-feeders…..

  57. 57. keithacita

    it’s a typo – it’s post-industrial – err pre-industrial – the rickshaw econonmy

  58. 58. Don't Tread on Me

    The cropped photo of the gunman from MSNBC followed by spurious diatribes on “white racists at town-hall meetings”
    They have their canned script. Now just fabricate some “evidence” and spew it on the naive public.
    No longer news. No longer even commentary. pure PROPAGANDA. sickening.
    They are a menance to American society.
    When does the boycott of MSNBC begin? Be sure to vote in 2010.

  59. 59. norbit

    WELCOME TO THE WORLD OF THE INTOLERANT LEFT!

    Support Bush…RACIST!

    Vote GOP…RACIST!

    Watch FOX….RACIST!

    Police…RACIST!

    Gun Owners…RACIST!

    Southerners…RACIST!

    Christians…RACIST!

    Want lower taxes…RACIST!

    Enforce immigration laws…RACIST!

    Elderly @ town halls…RACIST!

    Support family values…RACIST!

    Personal Responsibility…RACIST!

    White & disagree with liberals…RACIST!

    Black & disagree (Clarence Thomas)…UNCLE TOM!

    —————————————————————

    Now take a good look around at who the real RACISTS are! – THE INTOLERANT LEFT!

    Just pay attention at who’s first to bring RACE into a debate – THE INTOLERANT LEFT!

    Who promotes the primitive concept of “GROUP-IDENTITY” – THE INTOLERANT LEFT!

    Who uses accusations of ‘RACISM’ to smear political opponents -THE INTOLERANT LEFT!

    Who feigns outrage over Glenn Beck, yet lauds the likes of Olbermann, Sharpton, Shultz, and my personal favorite, the Rev. Wright – THE INTOLERANT LEFT!

    ——————————————————————————————————————————————-

    What’s the best GOP mantra & talking point to use from now untill the mid-term elections -

    ‘THE INTOLERANT LEFT!’

  60. 60. Ms. Attitude

    Does anyone watch MSNBC? I accidently stopped on it recently at one guy was calling Americans all kinds of bad names. I don’t need that on my TV. As for the man with the gun and them concealing his identity, what difference does it make what his race is? He can legally carry a gun!!! HELLO! That’s right, health insurance is NOT! And as for calling him names, do you know him? He’s seems rather intelligent and up to date on the issues to me.

  61. 61. valwayne

    It isn’t just MSNBC. Other commentators and journalist have begun to make the same insinuations, and it will get much worse and much more blantant the more Obama struggles. It was just during the primary campaign that we were treated to Obama playing the race card masterfully. He kept Hillary off balance for months with the race card, and he completely marginalized Bill Clinton when he tried to help Hillary by portraying him as a racist. He tried it with John McCain, but the card had been played too often against Hillary to be of much value. However, time has passed and as Obama gets in trouble he’ll pull it out. His craziest supporters already have. It so patently false, as with MSNBC, that it won’t get any traction, but the worse Obama does the more his supporters will latch onto it for all they are worth. The difference is that the rest of us have seen this play before and we’re not falling for it again! Its inevitable though…….so get ready. It will get ugly!

  62. 62. Moho

    Misanthropicus–>

    For a political age that was inaugurated by “God damn’ America!”, “This is a downright mean country!”, “bitter white men,” “whiteys”, “this a nation acts cowardly when it come to race matters” and “the police acted stupidly”, is quite normal to check twice in any circumstance to see whether a black man is a black man and a white man is a white man, rifle slung on shoulder y compris.
    Makes sense?

    Interesting. You seem to think that because one black man once said something, all black people must now be responsible for it. You also seem to imply that there is a difference between a white man and a black man holding a gun. I’m not sure I know why. Maybe it seems obvious to the rest of the people here.

  63. 63. Rhodenia

    This is all true what MSNBC is saying. Most of the people in this country has always hated us black people. Now we get us a black president and everyone pretends to like him so much even the haters because they don’t want others to know the would really like to be in the Ku Klux Klan. This is the only president who has ever been good to us. Now people are trying to tear him down and this is a shame cause he is doing such a wonderful thing for the black people in this country. Leave him alone everyone. I will pray for you all.

  64. 64. Ms. Attitude

    Wow, I guess the scariest thing to be in the US right now is a person that isn’t white and isn’t a liberal. Have you seen some of those posts on the Youtube video:

    Here’s one:

    “Bigcdog2 (1 hour ago) i would shoot that sell out a**hole in his head. He needs to come to the hood and see health care there. what a traitor. What does he need that gun 4.”

    The Black Panther’s at the poll’s to harrass blacks, the SEIU at the Tea Parties targeting blacks and now they are being called traitors for not backing Obamacare. Maybe we need our guns to protect ourselves. Ya think?

  65. 65. steveg

    The democrats went from being the racist party, and transformed into the race hustling party.

    There is no longer a need for Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson. The liberal media takes care of the Justice Brothers business.

  66. 66. Ms. Attitude

    66. Rhodenia: Say what? So the video of the man showing his face isn’t the real video but the cropped video is real? Moho, here’s some ignorance from the left, sic’em…I know how you like to attack the posters on here. Or is is just the ones on the right?

  67. 67. Omar

    Moho:

    The whole point of the story appears to be the horrible “racial overtones” of these protests, the anger over a “black president” (mentioned 3-4 easily), and the offensive mixture of racism and tea party sympathies. To support that story line, these bozos actually cropped a picture to obscure the fact that the assault gun carrier is actually black (and good for him, btw, for lawfully exercising his rights and poking a finger in the face of people exactly like these MSM bozos).

    BLATANT dishonesty in support of a false, over-hyped narrative.

  68. 68. Ms. Attitude

    66. Rhodenia: What?

  69. It’s amazing to me MSNBC thought they could get away with this race baiting. seems they’ve jumped the shark on this one. No wonder their ratings are in the tank…http://cooperscopy.blogspot.com/

  70. 70. te519

    Why are the people on MSNBC racists?

  71. 71. steveg

    Bill O’Rielly gave several examples tonight on how Jon Stewart edits and manipulates recordings in order to make conservatives look bad. When Bill showed the entire context of the conversation, it made Jon Stewart look like a deceptive creep.

    Stewarts audience is mainly dopey indoctrinated kids that are brainwashed by Stalinist professors, therefore they are easily duped.

    I am beginning to think everyone on the left is trained in Saul Alinsky tactics.

  72. 72. gpag

    The sad reality is that this approach actually works to there benefit. The average person who gets there news from these shows will never know the truth. They take whatever these news shows say as the absolute truth and there is no telling them otherwise. Unfortunately, there are way too many of these people and many of them won’t realize how stupid they are until it’s to late.

  73. 73. vivo

    Who cares about black & white people?

    How many of the 6.5 billion earthlings are B or W?

    Check it out.

  74. 74. jack-o-lantern

    What? MSNBC makes up the news. Well I’ll be, ain’t that the darnedest thing Aunt Bea?

    What a great gaggle of hypocrites. They must think we’re all morons.

  75. 75. Walsh

    I know you’d all like to believe that racism is over, because we have a half black president, but i hate to break it to you all, but RACISM STILL EXISTS. While MSNBC did not show the race of the man holding the ar15, there point is valid in many other circumstances. Many people on the far right do not believe Obama is an american citizen, not because of any hard evidence, but because of his skin color and seemingly “foreign” sounding name. Some of this minority are extremely vocal and militant, and raising this concern (while perhaps not in this news story) should not be dismissed. More at issue here is the fact that these gun wielding citizens, while within their rights, are incredibly stupid and misinformed. Obama is not going to take away anyones frigging guns, even renewing the completely reasonable assault weapons ban is not on his legislative agenda. Bringing machine guns to a town hall meeting serves no purpose other than to create unnecessary attention and provoke irrational debate. Yes, MSNBC is to the left, and yes they do often manipulate clips to reinforce their narrative on certain issues, but FOX does this to, and often much more blatantly such as just the other day cutting out the question Barney Frank was asked by one of his constituents that likened Obama’s health care plan to the Nazis, and only showing his impassioned response to such a bs question, citing it as an example of democrats lashing out against “ordinary americans”. All of this aside, racism still exists, concerns about the president’s safety due some of these racial prejudices are completely legit. I sincerely hope all of you wake up and stop reiterating o’reilly’s talking points memo

  76. 76. Gallifet

    Well, we are having just a fine little rodeo here. Trolls, the more you spur ‘em, the more they buck. The real problem is that the truth
    rumbles beneath us like one tectonic plate riding up on another. The pressure builds. Who created a situation where half of the mortgages in America are kited into worthless
    derivitives? and why? Now, we begin to see.
    Who do you believe, Obama? or your lying eyes?

  77. 77. Pragmatist

    Yet another INCONVENIENT TRUTH for the intolerant bigoted ‘racism bleating’ moonbat ‘libtard’ MSM scum who are so deep in the pan for the Obamanation that they cant see daylight. Another INCONVENIENT TRUTH for the ‘only whitey can be racist’ crowd apart from the racist Obamanation himself and his pet Professor is the fact that 96% of blacks voted in a blatant RACIST way for the Obamanation and now weasel ‘libtard’ words can change that FACT.

  78. 78. Moho

    Bill O’Rielly gave several examples tonight on how Jon Stewart edits and manipulates recordings in order to make conservatives look bad.

    Excuse me, its hard to type when I’m drying my eyes from laughter. That’s just too funny.

  79. 79. Moho

    An example of Jon Stewart’s unfair treatment of conservatives

    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-august-19-2009/fox-news–the-new-liberals

  80. 80. jhop

    Hey neo-cons…anybody that watched the video knew the guy with the rifle was black…you saw the back of his neck…

    Who said it was only white cowards and punks who walk around with their “guns” in hand.

    Quite revealing that the gun toting guy in New Hampshire was holding sign about “the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants” Same slogan McVeigh had on his t-shirt the day he bombed building in Oaklahoma City…

    Elections have consequences…you neo-cons lost..Love it or Leave it…

    By the way…Fox News is not a reliable source.

  81. 81. Pragmatist

    I hate to bring the NAZI analogy up again ……NOT. But this MSNBC report and talking heads discussion could have come right out of the NAZI propaganda textbook Goebbels would be proud of them . For example the ‘EXCUSE’ they used to start the invasion of Poland was to shoot GERMAN criminals dress them in Polish Army uniforms and then stage an attack on a German Radio Station leaving their bodies behind as PROOF that the Poles were violent. How is that any way different from the LYING CHEATING propagandising MSNBC cropping a video of a guy to conceal the fact that he was BLACK then have their ‘talking heads’ talk about ‘Extremist WHITE groups’ attacking the Black BOGUS POTUS with this as ‘PROOF’ that the wicked whitey’s are out there. In a sane non ‘libtard’ partisan country MSNBC would be taken off the air for rabble rousing and FALSE reporting designed in a RACIST way to denigrate WHITES. The ‘talking heads’ should ALL be prosecuted for stirring up Racial tension and possibly violence with FALSE reporting and MSNBC closed down.

  82. 82. Pragmatist

    Statistically Blacks are 10 times more likely to commit acts of violence so its not ‘whitey’ you need to worry about is it. Also 96% of Blacks voted for the Obamanation proving they are RACISTS. So what do you have well the MOST racist ethnic group in the USA who are statistically 10 times more likely to be violent but it s ‘Whitey’ that MSNBC wants to pretend is the problem so much so that it FALSIFIES reports to and LIES to support their left wing ‘libtard’ anti White anti Conservative bias.

  83. 83. History Teacher

    Rhodenia – How dare you? Your comment is not only incredibly ignorant but also thoroughly racist.

    How on earth can you in good conscience say, essentially, that most of the people in this country secretly want to be in the KKK? I admit there are racists out there, but they are few and far between (at least where I’ve lived). For you to make a blanket statement that most whites are racist is preposterous. I don’t know if you’re aware of this, but you vote anonymously. So if most white Americans secretly hated Obama because they’re all racist, guess what, THEY WOULDN’T HAVE VOTED FOR HIM AND HE WOULD NOT NOW BE OUR PRESIDENT!

    Also, how can you, even assuming you lack the slightest grasp of fundamental U.S. history, say that he is the first president who has ever been good to “us” (I assume you’re referring here to African Americans). Ever heard of Abraham Lincoln? (and trust me, there are many more than that!)

    Oh, and just to let you know, I’m about as conservative republican as they come. I did not vote for Obama. Was it because he was black? Absolutely not. It was because on most every level I disagree with his policy. But you know who I really wanted to run for president? Condoleezza Rice. Yeah. An African American woman.

    So please, until you meet every white American and confirm their racial beliefs, please refrain from blanket statements that condemn us all for the sins of a few. Thanks.

  84. 84. Pragmatist

    Hey Walsh has the thought that there is no as you call it’HARD EVIDENCE’ that the Obamanation was not born a US Citizen or who funded his College studies or what grades he got ir what papers he wrote or what Birth Certificate he used to get his Passport and Drivers License long BEFORE the 2007 COLB and where is it now and WHY did he need a COLB when he had a Birth Cert as I have just proved. Is it a source of pride to you the FACT that the Obamanation and his friends have HIDDEN so many documents and evidence that every other President made freely available. Because you use as an EXCUSE the very fact that the Obamanation is HIDDING things as a reason why we should trust him Reverse ‘libtard’ morality and logic at its finest. Dont ask WHY dont look for the HIDDEN information just defend the Obamanation BECAUSE there is no information. PATHETIC.

  85. 85. Chileno

    Perhaps a minor point, but notice how the reporter in the middle jumps to the inflammatory conclusion that, though it was legal for the man to openly carry his weapon, it must’ve meant he was the angry member of some hate group that will someday try to assasinate the President?

    News is meant provide facts, not opinions. True, all journalists have their bias. But when a news outlet doctors a report in a way that fans the flames of racial hate to discredit those opposing the President’s plans, it stops being news, and becomes propaganda.

  86. 86. John Galt

    Walsh: You’re right that racism is alive and well. It manifests itsself chiefly in the rampant discrimination of affirmative action programs which blatantly dick over Asians, espeically Indians,and to a lesser extent, white people based soley on their race. Other examples include the inflamatory rants of race hustlers on the left like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Jeremiah Wright, and Cornell West which are often decidedly racist against whites.

    Seperately, an AR-15 is not a machine gun. It’s a semi-auto matic rifle with a relatively small round. More to the point can you imagine the reaction if for instance Fox were to show footage of an accused felon and deliberately distort his race so that their analysts could scream about those damn black people and their crime? MSNBC has always been a liberal foil to Fox which is fine. But completely fabricating the news kills any credibility they may have had and doesnt serve anyone well.

  87. 87. Pragmatist

    The Obamanation and his supporters claim he is an intellectual with a brilliant mind. But when we ask them to prove it by letting us read his college papers and see his grades they say we are CONSPIRACY NUTS.

    The Obamanation and his supporters claim he is now and always has been a Christian . But when we show PROOF that he went to school as a MUSLIM in Indonesia and studied Muslim ONLY subjects thus proving that he was Muslim they say we are CONSPIRACY NUTS.

    The Obamanation and his supporters claim he just happened to sometimes be in the same room as Domestic Terrorists and Mohammedan Terrorists and Criminals. But when we tell them that literary analysis shows that maybe one of them Ghost wrote one of his books and the criminal helped him buy his house they say we are CONSPIRACY NUTS.

    The Obamanation and his supporters freely admit he had a Passport (Pakistan trip 18981) and a Driving License and applied for College admission and the Illinois Bar all long BEFORE the 2007 issue of the COLB. But when we ask them to produce the Birth Certificate he MUST have used to do all that they say we are CONSPIRACY NUTS. Especially when we ask WHY the 2007 COLB was required when we KNOW he had a Birth Certificate already and WHY all those documents are HIDDEN could it be that they contain information from his REAL Birth Certificate that he desperately wants to hide.If not WHY are they HIDDEN.

    The Obamanation and his supporters are constantly being caught BLATANTLY LYING. But when we point that out they say we are CONSPIRACY NUTS and whats more RACISTS. But when the President and his buddy PROVE themselves to be real RACISTS (GATESGATE) the same people are silent WHY?

    Even the Obamanations Primary School records are being HIDDEN . But when we ask to see them we are called CONSPIRACY NUTS.

    So who are the REAL CONSPIRACY NUTS those asking for information or those HIDING information or have we really entered a parallel universe where black is white, good is bad, ‘libtards’ are honest and people who HIDE things are open and honest and people who merely ask to see them are CONSPIRACY NUTS and whats more RACISTS too.

  88. 88. Martin Knight

    The good thing is that none of the resident trolls Moho, bibio, Davod, etc. are able to defend what Contessa Brewer and her editors at MSNBC just tried to pull off. So we’re being treated to a rash of non-sequiturs, dumb snark and attempts to change the subject.

  89. 89. Cicero

    Roger: That rifle is almost certainly not an “assault rifle,” which is a select fire rifle capable of firing in fully automatic mode, like a machine gun. Such weapons have been heavily restricted under federal law since the 1930s. That rifle is in all likelihood a military styled sporting rifle, with far less power than most deer hunting rifles.

  90. 90. Roger Kimball

    # 93, “Cicero”: I bow to your superior knowledge!

  91. 91. Brian

    MSNBC is still broadcasting? Now THAT is news! I thought they had dried up and been buried years ago.

  92. 92. RogerWebb

    I always knew that MSNBC essentially made up their news stories, but I experienced it almost first hand when they attacked a firm I know very well, because someone at that firm had very conservative values. It was one person in a huge company, but they made it appear as if the entire company shared the same values, which was a blatant fabrication. Five minutes on the firm’s website would have proven otherwise.

    MSNBC and those like them (Stuart) are just hateful hating liars, and will do anything to further their agenda.

    Their agenda apparently being ANYTHING Barack Obama decides is a good idea, such as a health care plan before it’s even read or debated.

  93. 93. Tomp

    Proposal:
    In 2010 when the GOP retakes the house. A bill cancelling all General Electric government contracts.

  94. 94. Kazooskibum

    GE is a criminal enterprise.

  95. 95. Don

    I don’t know Walsh, I’ve heard the hue and cry (from major media) about the “birthers”, have to tell you, have never met one. I know they are out there, but a sizable majority of the right? I think you are buying your news from your local koolaid provider.

  96. 96. steveg

    #79 Walsh….I saw the woman you are referring to make her statement to Barney Frank on Fox News. As I recall, she was young and had short hair. BTW…She is a Lyndon LaRouche Democrat, just like the boob in Missouri carrying the Obama poster with a Hitler mustache, but you will never get this information from the so called mainstream media.

  97. 97. Banjo

    That thrill that went up Chris Matthews’ leg and evidently engorged his member appears to have delivered collateral damage throughout NBC. I sometimes wonder why MSNBC doesn’t originate its broadcasts from James Carville’s home. They could go in with Air America on the rent.

  98. 98. antilib

    25. bibio44:

    I think it’s despicable. I think she’s pathetically out of her depth, noting more. If it were up to me, displaying profanity in public would be outlawed. So would assault rifles. But, alas, it isn’t up to me.

    In short:
    1st Amendment, out the window.
    2nd Amendment, out the window.

    Are there any other rights you don’t think we should have? You might want to consider moving to Russia, China or the M.E. We don’t need your kind here.

  99. 99. Paulnashtn

    “No, Roger, Sarah Palin elected Obama. Democrats only hope she runs again.”

    Your ignorance of the facts is probably online with your general ignorance.
    According to at least 2 polls that I have seen Sarah Palin is the reason that the election was as close as it was. It seems that for at least 10 to 15% of the republican voters, her presence on the ballot was the only reason to vote for McCain or to vote at all.
    BTW one little entry in a Facebook blog and the senate removes the “death panels” for their version of Obamacare. She obviously is just a little hick with no influence LOL

  100. 100. Shart

    That’s NBC for you…

  101. 101. blotto

    I find it throughly interesting that it is the progressive white talking heads-in this case at MSNBC-who are always the first to find racism in everything and everyone in America. They go out of their way to find something they can point to and say it is racism and that blacks are always held down by the man. It becomes tedious.

    It is as if they must establish their stret cred to do as many racism stories as they can…. Then nobody will see that they are white progressives–and not blacks who dominate the MSM…

    IF they were truly so pro-black American and supporters of affirmative action, they would voluntarily give up their jobs and ask that a black or other “protected minority” get the job. But no, white progressives will not commit to their ideology if it means losing money.

    Personally I want to see more blacks on all the TV news stations-not just the tokens like Toure. I want to see more blacks on John Stewart’s staff, the staffs of all progressives in the Congress, more blacks in the upper management positions of NYT, WashPo and other MSM outlets. I want to see more blacks at the CAP, all the Soros funded 527s-like MoveOn, Kos, HuffPo, etc.

    Won’t happen because white progressives use race, fuax racism and racialism to maintain their positions and not worry that a black will replace them. Nary is there a word about the dearth of blacks in the MSM. Why?

  102. 102. tish

    #66 – Rhodenia
    You’re paranoid, get over yourself and grow up. Maybe if you’d stop obsessing about how much you think white Americans “hate” black Americans, you could get on with your life. You’re wasting precious time. Also, would you mind telling me what “wonderful thing” Obama has done for black folks? Please be specific.

    #79 – Walsh
    I didn’t see the barney frank clip. maybe you could enlightne me on that “important question” he was asked that deemed it necessary for him to lash out at one of his constituents. BTW – I don’t know your race and you don’t know mine, that said, can you understand why so many (taxpaying) Americans are passionately against nationalized healthcare, among other bills? You’ll find there’s a hint in the question. Please get back to me.

  103. 103. Manch

    Left wing liberals are the worst antisemites. However, the most hated person by libs are not even a “Zionist Jew” – it is a black person who run away from the plantation of his liberal masta. The libs then really get vicious. Join JTF.ORG to save America, Israel and the West!

  104. 104. Walsh

    First, steveg, i did know she was part of Larouche’s political cult, and he is not a democrat (anyone crazy enough to compare Obama’s health care reform initiatives to Hitler’s euthanasia program can not reasonably call themselves a member of any mainstream political party). The point of that comment was not to vilify her as a “right wing extremist”, but to highlight how fox removed the question to make barney frank’s response look crazier and out of touch.

    Second, don, i did not say they were a “sizable majority” of the right, i said they were a small minority, and if you want evidence of their existence just check out some of Pragmatists comments on this page. And I get my news from a local koolaid provider?

    Finally, john galt, sure affirmative action is not an ideal system, but to say thats the biggest example of racism today? Trying to equate affirmative action with the legacy of racism that helped build this country is ridiculous, they are not morally equivalent. Also, i really dont care that an ar15 is semi auto and not a machine gun, does that make it smart to bring it to a town hall that has nothing to due with second amendment rights? But i guess its a slippery slope right? First Obama takes over the auto companies, then health care, then his death panels are coming to take away all our guns. You guys can complain all you want about MSNBC, the NYT, and all the other “mainstream media”, and how theyre helping Obama destroy america and take away all your precious freedoms, but what exactly has Obama done except bailout corporations and guide a health care bill so full of loopholes and giveaways to insurance companies that no real reform can be enacted. You think this is socialized medicine? scary, right?

  105. 105. Walsh

    Tish, he was asked if he would stop supporting a “nazi” health plan, Barney Frank is jewish, that should be enough, and yes i can understand why, because youve been fed bullshit by the conservative media about a government takeover, which is not going to happen, in fact there are so many provisions in these bills to ensure the survival of blood sucking private health insurance firms that any reform will negligible. Many of the costs that taxpaying americans will have to pay are from these giveaways, if we had a real single payer system we could actually lower costs by eliminating a lot of administrative bs that insurance companies unload on people and employers, but that would be socialism, and socialism=bad

  106. 106. tish

    Walsh:

    And who do you think will be covering the cost of a single payer system? Reform insurance companies, cap medical lawsuits, clean up medicare/cade, clamp dowm on non-citizens using the ER like a fast food drive through but keep the government OUT of the equation.

    Take responsiblity for yourself and your family. If your parents need help, find a way to assist them. THAT’s the American way. If you don’t agree w/ the “blood sucking” private Health care providers then just say NO. I cash pay for any medical related expenses. I have an umbrella policy for my 3 children but I save thousands of dollars every year for electing not to insure myself and I receive discounts on the spot for paying cash. It’s a choice, as it should be for everyone.

    Stand up on your own two feet and start acting like a grown-up. Maybe if you’d stop relying on the government (hard working american’s $$) you would become liberated and probably a happier person. give it a try, you might even feel compelled to contribute to some charities. What a concept.

  107. 111. Walsh:

    A: “if we had a real single payer system we could actually lower costs by eliminating a lot of administrative bs that insurance companies unload on people and employers”

    B: “but that would be socialism, and socialism=bad”

    Yes, B is true (socialism is bad) if for no other reason (and there are others) than A can never be true (any single payer system will inevitably increase administrative BS and thus cost).

    The problems of the private insurance firms and system that you so clearly despise will pale in comparison to the behemoth of a (dis)organized administration that any government you seem to support will invariably morph into. This despite any supposed “best intentions.”

    That this is designed/intended to be a government takeover of health care does not come from conservative media but from the proponents of the plan themselves.

    I once heard Michael Moore make the astounding statement (paraphrasing here) that single payer (government run) health care is inevitable in this country … it is just another bureaucracy, something we know how to do really well. If you can repeat that with a straight face you are a better man than I.

    How anyone of any political philosophy other than statism can support this initiative is beyond me.

    –The UnPatriot

  108. 108. Granus

    Speaking as a former employee of the General Electric Company, including during the “high stress” Jack Welch years, it can only be described as having been then a dynamic, energetic workplace full extremely competent employees, most of whom were having fun and were proud to be there. If you’ve never been involved with something like it, you cannot imagine the technology, dedication, and commitment and humanity that goes into successfully designing, producing, and deploying an aircraft engine; a high-speed -pressure turbine; a nuclear power plant; a satellite constellation for military communications; medical imaging systems; diesel locomotives; lighting for everyone from football players to surgeons; plastics for the home, hockey rinks, TV dinners, and automobiles; work saving appliances of all manner for the home; and yes, a financial organization able to locate, accumulate, and make available cash in both the small number of immense amounts and the immense number of small amounts that made (and still make) these things possible and available to anyone, anywhere.

    I’ve little doubt those folks are still there, but these are hard times for me, and them I’m sure. They, like me, must be sick and disgusted at the way Jeffrey Immelt and NBC Universal are tarnishing the image of such a great company. The quality of their work in their professions bears no resemblance to ours and twenty years ago would not have been tolerated for ten minutes. It’s shoddy. It’s self-centered and contemptuous of people everywhere. It’s arrogant, thoughtless, petty, and smirking. It’s dishonest. And at the top it’s politically shameless – and worst of all, tolerated, if not encouraged.

    It is disheartening. You are a great, sickening embarrassment to hundreds of thousands of General Electric employees and retirees worldwide. We can’t be rid of you soon enough.

  109. 109. Scott

    #111 Walsh

    You must be a union member, government employee, or a fool. You’d create MORE administrative BS that would cost even more than it already does. I work for a government agency, and trust me when I say that it wastes money terribly, is infested with internal politics and empire building, and employs many more people than it should to do the job it does.

    I’ve seen people watching movies in their cubes, others playing cards in break rooms for 4-6 hours a day, people who spend more time on smoke breaks than at their desk. There are people who get promoted to get rid of them since they cannot be fired…yes it really happens.

  110. 110. Amy in Austin

    It has been my experience that the single group most guilty of racism is the African-American group. Most Caucasians, Asians, Hispanics, and Native Americans are not as racist as most African-Americans. BTW, should I be identifying myself as Caucasian, European-American, Scottish-American, British-American, or what? It seems like we should all consider ourselves as Americans first. The rest is just trash designed to split the country apart.

  111. 111. Suzanne

    I sent my complaint to the FCC, noting potential bias and imcomplete reporting, followed by slanderous comment by the newstaff.

  112. 112. tish

    #114 – Granus
    “The quality of their work in their professions bears no resemblance to ours and twenty years ago would not have been tolerated for ten minutes. It’s shoddy. It’s self-centered and contemptuous of people everywhere. It’s arrogant, thoughtless, petty, and smirking. It’s dishonest. And at the top it’s politically shameless – and worst of all, tolerated, if not encouraged.

    It is disheartening. You are a great, sickening embarrassment to hundreds of thousands of General Electric employees and retirees worldwide. We can’t be rid of you soon enough.”

    If you simply substitute GE for the current administration and change the word employees to citizens, it’s a perfect discription. Interesting isn’t it.

  113. 113. Gaffe Prices

    The post is about how the firearms toting assembly attender was not yet another manifestation of MSNBC’s false narrative that there is an element to the protests of health scare/death care that is to be feared and dreaded, and its coming from the “conservative” right.

    MSNBC is in collusion with the government to use destablisation as the means to fabricate crisis (again), just as they did with “…Worst administration economic crisis since the great depression last February:
    http://tinyurl.com/mzt95x

  114. 114. Gaffe Prices

    And that crisis will come in the form of pandemic>/i>:

    the World Health Organisation has said this just today- H1N1 set to “explode” into a “pandemic” [this fall, apparently, if not sooner]

  115. 115. Calvin Ball

    We wanted post racial. We got post turtle. What’s my penance for that fit of racism?

  116. 116. sam

    Last year when I watched the huge white crowds prying to their Black God I thought that it was a powerfull therapy for some. Now it seems that the sickness that afekts people like Rhodenia went too deep. Seems only drugs will do. massive amounts of them. Hopefully with Obamacare plenty of free prozak will be required to be taken.

  117. 117. Walsh

    Tish, the whole keep the government out of everything argument can only go so far. Sure self reliance is great, and you can tell all the uninsured, unemployed people to just go get a job if they want to pay for health care. But in the real world not everyone has the opportunities that many of us take of granted, and this DIY philosophy only goes so far. In the end, especially to many disadvantaged people it looks quite arrogant and self serving. Paying out of pocket for medical expenses might work for you, but nearly 3/4 of all bankruptcies in america occur because people cannot do just that. Also, i happen to give to a number of worthy charities (its not just conservatives).

    Unpatriot, my remark about socialism was a bit of sarcasm meant to highlight the absurdity of such black and white thinking. Socialism is not bad, it is an economic system with certain flaws and certain benefits. Obama’s health care bill is not a single payer, government system. In such a system, the government does not replace your doctor, but merely takes the place insurance companies whose motive is to make a profit, the most of effective way of doing so being to deny people coverage. I know we all celebrate unabashed free market capitalism in this country, but does everything have to a for-profit venture in america? why not privatize the post office? the library? the police? People’s lives should not be subject to the decisions of private insurance companies. The profit motive puts profits above peoples lives. Single payer also lowers costs for individuals by spreading payments out among everyone

    Scott, a single payer system would save over a quarter trillion dollars in overhead and paperwork. Only about half the money spent on health care actually goes toward health care, the other half goes to paying of middlemen and insurance agencies, and again single IS NOT the government running hospitals, its the government paying for them. There are still private practices, and private hospitals. Yes the system is not perfect, but it is a hell of a lot better than the system we have right now, and despite the responees i know im going to get from you all, america DOES NOT HAVE THE BEST HEALTH CARE SYSTEM IN THE WORLD. I know its hard to think that were not first, but i guess you can live with it

  118. 118. ANTISOCIALIST

    Hey Walsh What kind of idiots do you think we are! Why do people from single payer health systems flock to the US for health issues that their government run healthcare cannot and will not take care of! Long waits, rationed care, and sub par doctors, theres your government health at its best! WOW!!!!

  119. 119. Pragmatist

    So Mr WALSH I am a fringe Right Wing Nut am I so I assume that you must have ALL the information and documents us Right wing Nuts say the Obamanation is HIDING because if you dont have that makes YOU a gullible , emotional know nothing blind Obamanation worshiper. So come on prove us wrong tell us where we can find ALL the documents and information on his life the Obamanation is HIDING. Because if you cant you expose yourself as the CHARLATAN Obambi drum beater you are we KNOW you are. Ball is in YOUR court put up or SHUT UP.

  120. 120. Pragmatist

    Here they are WALSH I look forward to YOU enlightening us, Dont worry guys its all a misunderstanding WALSH knows where all this information is after all he would not be so moronic as to vote for a man who HID all that information would he. We are waiting WALSH after all you dont want to be called a blindly worshiping Obamaton do you.

    An open CHALLENGE to all the loyal Obamanation worshipers who post on here in his defense. I notice that in doing so not ONE of you attempts to challenge the FACT that all of those documents listed below are HIDDEN. So take the list of documents that he is HIDING and give us a point by point explanation why each one is being HIDDEN or alternatively show WHERE that information is AVAILABLE for scrutiny. Only when you have done that can you then throw out your wild accusations of conspiracy nut against anyone. The ones who ARE CONSPIRING are the ones who are HIDING the documents not those merely asking to see them and only a blind worshiper would have the reverse morality to see it any other way. So lets see what you are made of.
    Oh and just in case you want to pretend you dont know what is missing here is a list .

    Here apart from his Vault Birth Certificate are just some but my no means ALL of the OTHER documents and information the Obamanation is HIDING.

    There is a lifetime of “missing” documentation — but it must a coincidence — it has to be a coincidence — just keep telling yourself, “it’s a coincidence.”

    Obama/Dunham divorce — Released (by independent investigators)
    

Soetoro/Dunham marriage license — Not released


    Soetoro adoption records — Not released


    Punahou School records — Not released


    Soetoro/Dunham divorce — Released (by independent investigators)
    Soetero/Obama name change documentation – Not released
    

Selective Service Registration — Released — Probable counterfeit
    

Occidental College records — Not released and vigorously defended
    

Passport records — Not released and official government passport files scrubbed clean by John O. Brennan — now Obama’s terrorism and intelligence czar

    Just a coincidence???????????

    Columbia College records — Not released


    Columbia thesis — “Soviet Nuclear Disarmament” — Not released


    Harvard College records — Not released


    Harvard Law Review articles — None


    Illinois Bar Records — Not released
    

Baptism certificate — None
    

Medical records — Not released (unless you count a one-pager from his personal physician saying Obama’s healthy)

    Just a coincidence????????

    Law practice client list — Not released
    

University of Chicago scholarly articles — None
    

Annenberg Challenge Board Minutes — None
    

Illinois State Senate records — None


    Illinois State Senate schedule — Lost

    Almost 50 years old and there’s no paper trail — coincidence, Would you hire someone with this curriculum vitae? The man is completely undocumented. You don’t know anything about Obama — operative word, KNOW. None of us really do because he and his life are undocumented — an impossible coincidence — and Obama fiercely defends the release of what documentation is available.
Some of us believe that something isn’t on the level and that we are entitled as United States citizens to ask any damned politician who he is, what his politics are, what his agenda is, where he came from and who sent him.
You do know Obama could end all of this with a single phone call — why doesn’t he press the button?


  121. 121. Pragmatist

    How strange WALSH seems to have disappeared. LOL

  122. 122. Paul -Indiana

    66. Rhodenia:………..Keep your prayers.

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