Comments on: “The kind of justice we need”? Life Experience, Affirmative Action, and You http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/2009/05/27/the-kind-of-justice-we-need-life-experience-affirmative-action-and-you/ Wed, 15 Feb 2012 13:59:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Steynian 359 « Free Canuckistan! http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/2009/05/27/the-kind-of-justice-we-need-life-experience-affirmative-action-and-you/#comment-19960 Steynian 359 « Free Canuckistan! Mon, 01 Jun 2009 14:40:58 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/?p=1062#comment-19960 [...] ROGER KIMBALL– The real question about Sonya Sotomayor; “The kind of justice we need”? Life Experience, Affirmative Action, and You …. [...] [...] ROGER KIMBALL– The real question about Sonya Sotomayor; “The kind of justice we need”? Life Experience, Affirmative Action, and You …. [...]

]]> By: Linguist http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/2009/05/27/the-kind-of-justice-we-need-life-experience-affirmative-action-and-you/#comment-19396 Linguist Sat, 30 May 2009 23:03:37 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/?p=1062#comment-19396 Interestingly, the battalion chiefs and such who were brought into New Haven to administer the oral exams were, themselves, in the majority non-white. And it was the minority-supported firefighters union that decided the written exam would count as 60% of the final, overall score. Do you think that perhaps testing was put in place that might actually FAVOR minority firefighters? So why, then, did so many of them fail to make a high enough grade to earn a promotion but a dyslexic could do it? Captain's exam Blacks: 3/8 passed (38%) Whites: 16/25 passed (64%) Hispanics: 22/41 passed (54%) Lieutenant's exam Blacks: 6/19 passed (32%) Whites: 25/43 passed (58%) Hispanics: 34/77 passed (44%) Interestingly, the battalion chiefs and such who were brought into New Haven to administer the oral exams were, themselves, in the majority non-white.

And it was the minority-supported firefighters union that decided the written exam would count as 60% of the final, overall score.

Do you think that perhaps testing was put in place that might actually FAVOR minority firefighters? So why, then, did so many of them fail to make a high enough grade to earn a promotion but a dyslexic could do it?

Captain’s exam
Blacks: 3/8 passed (38%)
Whites: 16/25 passed (64%)
Hispanics: 22/41 passed (54%)

Lieutenant’s exam
Blacks: 6/19 passed (32%)
Whites: 25/43 passed (58%)
Hispanics: 34/77 passed (44%)

]]> By: sam http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/2009/05/27/the-kind-of-justice-we-need-life-experience-affirmative-action-and-you/#comment-19140 sam Sat, 30 May 2009 05:01:08 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/?p=1062#comment-19140 All this talk of the wise Latina overcoming poverty is bunk. Her mom was a nurse so she had a solid middle class paycheck. In those days that was meant for a family of 4 so they had plenty of diposable income. On top of that they lived in city housing so their rent was very low. She is said to having been poor because all Puertoricans are supposed to be poor just like all Blacks live in the ghetto.This is the media story for you and everybody accepts it at face value. And what other great battle has the wise Latina won? Overcoming the fact that she has lived in the Latin neighbourhood. All this talk of the wise Latina overcoming poverty is bunk. Her mom was a nurse so she had a solid middle class paycheck. In those days that was meant for a family of 4 so they had plenty of diposable income. On top of that they lived in city housing so their rent was very low. She is said to having been poor because all Puertoricans are supposed to be poor just like all Blacks live in the ghetto.This is the media story for you and everybody accepts it at face value. And what other great battle has the wise Latina won? Overcoming the fact that she has lived in the Latin neighbourhood.

]]> By: Will http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/2009/05/27/the-kind-of-justice-we-need-life-experience-affirmative-action-and-you/#comment-18738 Will Fri, 29 May 2009 01:07:45 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/?p=1062#comment-18738 Promoters of entitlements due from slavery ignore biological facts. Each descendent of slaves resulted from the union of a particular sperm and a particular egg. For centuries slavery thoroughly scrambled procreative pairings from what they would have been without slavery. So, if not for slavery virtually no slave descendents alive today would ever have been born. Rather than reparations to slave descendents, it would make more sense for them to cut a check to their favorite former slave state. Promoters of entitlements due from slavery ignore biological facts. Each descendent of slaves resulted from the union of a particular sperm and a particular egg. For centuries slavery thoroughly scrambled procreative pairings from what they would have been without slavery. So, if not for slavery virtually no slave descendents alive today would ever have been born. Rather than reparations to slave descendents, it would make more sense for them to cut a check to their favorite former slave state.

]]> By: Fausta’s Blog » Blog Archive » Uncovered faces, resting laurels, and t-shirts http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/2009/05/27/the-kind-of-justice-we-need-life-experience-affirmative-action-and-you/#comment-18684 Fausta’s Blog » Blog Archive » Uncovered faces, resting laurels, and t-shirts Thu, 28 May 2009 21:01:33 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/?p=1062#comment-18684 [...] like to know where are the advocates for the disabled. If Frank Ricci had availed himself of the American With Disabilities Act due to his dyslexia, he would have the job. We’re all victims now, unless you want to become [...] [...] like to know where are the advocates for the disabled. If Frank Ricci had availed himself of the American With Disabilities Act due to his dyslexia, he would have the job. We’re all victims now, unless you want to become [...]

]]> By: Tina Trent http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/2009/05/27/the-kind-of-justice-we-need-life-experience-affirmative-action-and-you/#comment-18647 Tina Trent Thu, 28 May 2009 18:34:39 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/?p=1062#comment-18647 To "Robotech": only this, the Dwyer article itself: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/27/nyregion/27about.html?_r=1 To “Robotech”: only this, the Dwyer article itself: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/27/nyregion/27about.html?_r=1

]]> By: clare spark http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/2009/05/27/the-kind-of-justice-we-need-life-experience-affirmative-action-and-you/#comment-18584 clare spark Thu, 28 May 2009 16:36:46 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/?p=1062#comment-18584 Underneath the conundrum of not enough jobs to absorb the population with its attendant preferential treatment is the question of job creation: who does it? Gung-ho statists will say the state, and it is true that there is a role of the state in this effort, but free-market advocates will reply that wealth-creation and job creation are primarily the business of the private sector, and will be enhanced when taxes are low and unions and entitlements are reined in so that they do not serve unhelpful ends. If we do not address this division of labor between state sectors and private sectors (and we need both, but how?), there is no way out of the affirmative action mess, or of any other of the debates now on the table. Underneath the conundrum of not enough jobs to absorb the population with its attendant preferential treatment is the question of job creation: who does it? Gung-ho statists will say the state, and it is true that there is a role of the state in this effort, but free-market advocates will reply that wealth-creation and job creation are primarily the business of the private sector, and will be enhanced when taxes are low and unions and entitlements are reined in so that they do not serve unhelpful ends.
If we do not address this division of labor between state sectors and private sectors (and we need both, but how?), there is no way out of the affirmative action mess, or of any other of the debates now on the table.

]]> By: David Thomson http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/2009/05/27/the-kind-of-justice-we-need-life-experience-affirmative-action-and-you/#comment-18551 David Thomson Thu, 28 May 2009 12:55:49 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/?p=1062#comment-18551 "As far as I can tell, she’s pretty much a slam dunk" The odds are on our side. We only need a little courage. The MSM is no longer that powerful. And if we shy away from this fight---we might as well throw in the towel. It will only embolden the leftists to increase their race card attacks in the future. “As far as I can tell, she’s pretty much a slam dunk”

The odds are on our side. We only need a little courage. The MSM is no longer that powerful. And if we shy away from this fight—we might as well throw in the towel.
It will only embolden the leftists to increase their race card attacks in the future.

]]> By: Patrick http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/2009/05/27/the-kind-of-justice-we-need-life-experience-affirmative-action-and-you/#comment-18538 Patrick Thu, 28 May 2009 06:31:22 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/?p=1062#comment-18538 I'm a 17 year old white male and I'm applying for college in the fall and I think that it's absolutly unfair that any lower qualified student should be accepted over me because of race and gender. Affirmative action is bullshit and unconstitutionall. When black people were freed from slavery Abraham Lincoln said that they were equal to white people. Why is it that now they have the advantage? Is it payback? Do they deserve affirmative action as additional reparations to a couple of generations of slavery? Again it's unconstitutional and the founding fathers would have none of it I’m a 17 year old white male and I’m applying for college in the fall and I think that it’s absolutly unfair that any lower qualified student should be accepted over me because of race and gender. Affirmative action is bullshit and unconstitutionall. When black people were freed from slavery Abraham Lincoln said that they were equal to white people. Why is it that now they have the advantage? Is it payback? Do they deserve affirmative action as additional reparations to a couple of generations of slavery? Again it’s unconstitutional and the founding fathers would have none of it

]]> By: robotech master http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/2009/05/27/the-kind-of-justice-we-need-life-experience-affirmative-action-and-you/#comment-18537 robotech master Thu, 28 May 2009 06:24:55 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/?p=1062#comment-18537 To 2. Tina Trent You got a link/more details about that case... that has epic win written all over it. To 2. Tina Trent

You got a link/more details about that case… that has epic win written all over it.

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