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		<title>By: Whistle_Blower</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/2009/02/15/now-they-tell-us/#comment-11289</link>
		<dc:creator>Whistle_Blower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 22:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NO COMMENT - 2
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UBS ADMITS TO HELPING CLIENTS HIDE ACCOUNTS


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UBS will pay $780 million in fines and provide the U.S. with client identities [!] as part of a settlement in which the Swiss bank admits to helping taxpayers hide bank accounts from the IRS. 
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Well, there goes my 401K.  


I thought Justice Holmes (see #28 above) said that &quot;. . .we should be proud. . .&quot; because Americans &quot;. . . pay their taxes honestly and of their own free will.&quot;

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<p>UBS ADMITS TO HELPING CLIENTS HIDE ACCOUNTS</p>
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UBS will pay $780 million in fines and provide the U.S. with client identities [!] as part of a settlement in which the Swiss bank admits to helping taxpayers hide bank accounts from the IRS.<br />
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<p>Well, there goes my 401K.  </p>
<p>I thought Justice Holmes (see #28 above) said that &#8220;. . .we should be proud. . .&#8221; because Americans &#8220;. . . pay their taxes honestly and of their own free will.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Whistle_Blower</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/2009/02/15/now-they-tell-us/#comment-11271</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 19:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NO COMMENT
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Found on the 2nd page of every IRS Tax Return Instruction booklet:
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A Message From The Commissioner: [Commissar?]


Dear Taxpayer,


U.S. Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. notably said “Taxes
are what we pay for civilized society.” 


We should be proud that the vast
majority of American citizens pay their taxes honestly and of their own free
will. 


In an ever more complex and global world, we cannot take for granted this
cornerstone principle of our democracy.
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SOURCE:  http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/i1040gi.pdf


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As I said, no comment.</description>
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<p>Found on the 2nd page of every IRS Tax Return Instruction booklet:<br />
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A Message From The Commissioner: [Commissar?]</p>
<p>Dear Taxpayer,</p>
<p>U.S. Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. notably said “Taxes<br />
are what we pay for civilized society.” </p>
<p>We should be proud that the vast<br />
majority of American citizens pay their taxes honestly and of their own free<br />
will. </p>
<p>In an ever more complex and global world, we cannot take for granted this<br />
cornerstone principle of our democracy.<br />
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<p>SOURCE:  <a href="http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/i1040gi.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/i1040gi.pdf</a></p>
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<p>As I said, no comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Shawty</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/2009/02/15/now-they-tell-us/#comment-11245</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you know..I am a somewhat educated LOW income person.who has been a stay at home mom for 16 years now and i apologize if that pisses people off.. working when i am able and can..choosing to stay home and raise my kids because i thought that was the better choice as a single parent.. with the support of their father.. that he DOES pay faithfully.. but is nowhere in sight as far as moral support..and i am not bitter about that..but it seems to me that all the people on this forum seem to have all the answers..but yet no solutions.  I myself only want to see my children have a fighting chance to succeed at life and make something of themselves and have tried to teach them not to hate and be disrespectful..My observation is that the whole country is in a terrible mess right now and all the finger pointing and name calling and hate and discontent is not going to fix that.. so instead of whining about things.. if you have the better answer why don&#039;t you send it to the President and see what he says.. I myself will just do my best every day to take care of what needs my immediate attention and hope like hell the walls don&#039;t fall in around me..for it seems the simple man pays the bills that matter....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you know..I am a somewhat educated LOW income person.who has been a stay at home mom for 16 years now and i apologize if that pisses people off.. working when i am able and can..choosing to stay home and raise my kids because i thought that was the better choice as a single parent.. with the support of their father.. that he DOES pay faithfully.. but is nowhere in sight as far as moral support..and i am not bitter about that..but it seems to me that all the people on this forum seem to have all the answers..but yet no solutions.  I myself only want to see my children have a fighting chance to succeed at life and make something of themselves and have tried to teach them not to hate and be disrespectful..My observation is that the whole country is in a terrible mess right now and all the finger pointing and name calling and hate and discontent is not going to fix that.. so instead of whining about things.. if you have the better answer why don&#8217;t you send it to the President and see what he says.. I myself will just do my best every day to take care of what needs my immediate attention and hope like hell the walls don&#8217;t fall in around me..for it seems the simple man pays the bills that matter&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: dephine</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/2009/02/15/now-they-tell-us/#comment-11196</link>
		<dc:creator>dephine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 00:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AlexinCT, you are dead on balls right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AlexinCT, you are dead on balls right.</p>
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		<title>By: apostle of love</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/2009/02/15/now-they-tell-us/#comment-11162</link>
		<dc:creator>apostle of love</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 07:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama is too beholden to special interests to seriously challenge the forces of greed. Sure, they Wall Street pigs might be forced to share a little so some children of workers can eat. However, the kind of redistribution that would provide prosperity for all will never occur as long as the corporate monopoly in the media lasts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama is too beholden to special interests to seriously challenge the forces of greed. Sure, they Wall Street pigs might be forced to share a little so some children of workers can eat. However, the kind of redistribution that would provide prosperity for all will never occur as long as the corporate monopoly in the media lasts.</p>
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		<title>By: AST</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/2009/02/15/now-they-tell-us/#comment-11158</link>
		<dc:creator>AST</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 03:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why I think the U.S. is doomed:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why I think the U.S. is doomed:</p>
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		<title>By: Jobs &#8217;saved&#8217; by &#8217;stimulus&#8217; reduced to 2.5 million. - Moe_Lane&#8217;s blog - RedState</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/2009/02/15/now-they-tell-us/#comment-11143</link>
		<dc:creator>Jobs &#8217;saved&#8217; by &#8217;stimulus&#8217; reduced to 2.5 million. - Moe_Lane&#8217;s blog - RedState</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Wizbang and Roger Kimball, this is actually the latest estimate of Mark Zandi, not the Obama administration itself. What the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Wizbang and Roger Kimball, this is actually the latest estimate of Mark Zandi, not the Obama administration itself. What the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Moe Lane &#187; Jobs &#8217;saved&#8217; by &#8217;stimulus&#8217; reduced to 2.5 million.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moe Lane &#187; Jobs &#8217;saved&#8217; by &#8217;stimulus&#8217; reduced to 2.5 million.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Wizbang and Roger Kimball, this is actually the latest estimate of Mark Zandi, not the Obama administration itself. What the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Wizbang and Roger Kimball, this is actually the latest estimate of Mark Zandi, not the Obama administration itself. What the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: AlexinCT</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/2009/02/15/now-they-tell-us/#comment-11138</link>
		<dc:creator>AlexinCT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 19:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is this coming as a surprise to anyone? Democrats where only able to pass this patronage bill masquerading as a stimulus bill on a partisan vote (3 RINO senators from the NE don&#039;t count). Then the lost Judd Gregg and his support too when he realized he was being used to give democrats cover. Basically this bill is the democrat’s baby. Owned lock, stock, and barrel. It will do nothing to stimulate the economy at all. In fact, the massive borrowing for this payoff bill will dampen any economic upturn that low oil prices and any rebound in the housing market would have caused. 

There have been too many people that have pointed out that the democrat’s promise that this bill was absolutely needed, not stimulate the economy, but to avert disaster, was bogus. Everyone that is not a collectivist shill covering for democrats knows this bill is intended to both give the democrats access to tons of cash for the next election and help them institute a massive collectivist takeover of our private sector by government, at the tax payer’s expense. Europe is about to crash economically. Asia will follow that move. The world is looking at a depression, and the democrats are busy using that to grab as much power, as fast as they can. The economy being in the can allows them to preach gloom and doom and institute solutions nobody would accept otherwise. In fact, the democrats already are discussing the next bill, likely to require another $2 trillion in borrowed cash, and intended to do more of the same as the first bill. Hence this need to now get some cover. That’s why they are telling people not to expect much. It leaves the door open to more drastic moves and more borrowing and pay offs.

Our worst enemy right now is the very collectivist ideology that is driving government to wreck our economy. The major underlying reason for our current economic downturn, the stupid practice of forcing banks to loan money to people that can not pay it back in the name of “social justice”, is being made worse by ideologues that now not only wish to keep that underlying cause in place, but whom are then using billions of tax payer dollars to help people that should have never gotten those loans keep what they got. Of course, at the expense of those of us that did the right things. Right has become wrong, good evil. No amount of collectivist talk and money will fix the economic problems we have now if we refuse to address the underlying reasons for those problems. If you are a hard working, tax paying, law abiding citizen that has not borrowed more than you can pay, get ready to receive the shaft from these collectivists for being so stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is this coming as a surprise to anyone? Democrats where only able to pass this patronage bill masquerading as a stimulus bill on a partisan vote (3 RINO senators from the NE don&#8217;t count). Then the lost Judd Gregg and his support too when he realized he was being used to give democrats cover. Basically this bill is the democrat’s baby. Owned lock, stock, and barrel. It will do nothing to stimulate the economy at all. In fact, the massive borrowing for this payoff bill will dampen any economic upturn that low oil prices and any rebound in the housing market would have caused. </p>
<p>There have been too many people that have pointed out that the democrat’s promise that this bill was absolutely needed, not stimulate the economy, but to avert disaster, was bogus. Everyone that is not a collectivist shill covering for democrats knows this bill is intended to both give the democrats access to tons of cash for the next election and help them institute a massive collectivist takeover of our private sector by government, at the tax payer’s expense. Europe is about to crash economically. Asia will follow that move. The world is looking at a depression, and the democrats are busy using that to grab as much power, as fast as they can. The economy being in the can allows them to preach gloom and doom and institute solutions nobody would accept otherwise. In fact, the democrats already are discussing the next bill, likely to require another $2 trillion in borrowed cash, and intended to do more of the same as the first bill. Hence this need to now get some cover. That’s why they are telling people not to expect much. It leaves the door open to more drastic moves and more borrowing and pay offs.</p>
<p>Our worst enemy right now is the very collectivist ideology that is driving government to wreck our economy. The major underlying reason for our current economic downturn, the stupid practice of forcing banks to loan money to people that can not pay it back in the name of “social justice”, is being made worse by ideologues that now not only wish to keep that underlying cause in place, but whom are then using billions of tax payer dollars to help people that should have never gotten those loans keep what they got. Of course, at the expense of those of us that did the right things. Right has become wrong, good evil. No amount of collectivist talk and money will fix the economic problems we have now if we refuse to address the underlying reasons for those problems. If you are a hard working, tax paying, law abiding citizen that has not borrowed more than you can pay, get ready to receive the shaft from these collectivists for being so stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The economic cycle will ensure that we pop out of this recession and Obama is right to realize that he will occur before 2012 with or without the pork bill.  Our expectation is that if he doesn&#039;t have us out by 4Q&#039;09, which is the date the non-partisan CBO says we&#039;ll emerge, then he has failed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The economic cycle will ensure that we pop out of this recession and Obama is right to realize that he will occur before 2012 with or without the pork bill.  Our expectation is that if he doesn&#8217;t have us out by 4Q&#8217;09, which is the date the non-partisan CBO says we&#8217;ll emerge, then he has failed.</p>
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