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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/10/12/a-technical-knock-out/#comment-6655</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 11:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why isn&#039;t Obama forthcoming with the actual birth certificate, signed by the delivering physician? That should lay any doubts to rest.

Assume that Obama&#039;s mother returned to Hawaii with baby Barry, and wanted to register his birth and obtain a US birth certificate. Wouldn&#039;t she just show up at a local hospital or at the state records office? Way back in 1961, was it possible for a mother to show up with her infant and  persuade hospital officials or state records clerks to issue a certificate of live birth? Tell them the two week old infant was born at home, with no physican attending?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why isn&#8217;t Obama forthcoming with the actual birth certificate, signed by the delivering physician? That should lay any doubts to rest.</p>
<p>Assume that Obama&#8217;s mother returned to Hawaii with baby Barry, and wanted to register his birth and obtain a US birth certificate. Wouldn&#8217;t she just show up at a local hospital or at the state records office? Way back in 1961, was it possible for a mother to show up with her infant and  persuade hospital officials or state records clerks to issue a certificate of live birth? Tell them the two week old infant was born at home, with no physican attending?</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/10/12/a-technical-knock-out/#comment-6631</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nonsense. I&#039;ve looked at Mr. Berg&#039;s lawsuit, it&#039;s at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2066207/posts  It’s not a real lawsuit pleading (any lawyer can confirm just from looking at it). This &#039;lawsuit&#039; is just desperation drool and shows that the wheels are coming off the McCain campaign as it puts out this type of thing. Expect more from the cult that checks their brains at the door and drinks the Kool-Aid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nonsense. I&#8217;ve looked at Mr. Berg&#8217;s lawsuit, it&#8217;s at <a href="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2066207/posts" rel="nofollow">http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2066207/posts</a>  It’s not a real lawsuit pleading (any lawyer can confirm just from looking at it). This &#8216;lawsuit&#8217; is just desperation drool and shows that the wheels are coming off the McCain campaign as it puts out this type of thing. Expect more from the cult that checks their brains at the door and drinks the Kool-Aid.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom G.</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/10/12/a-technical-knock-out/#comment-6601</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 23:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow...messin w/ the messiah...glad I&#039;m not you guys...change your logons soonest. Cheers, Alfred Dreyfus</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8230;messin w/ the messiah&#8230;glad I&#8217;m not you guys&#8230;change your logons soonest. Cheers, Alfred Dreyfus</p>
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		<title>By: Alo Kievalar</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/10/12/a-technical-knock-out/#comment-6565</link>
		<dc:creator>Alo Kievalar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Citizenship thru Birth vs Citizenship thru Naturalization
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In as few words as possible on a tricky subject:  You &quot;acquire&quot; US citizenship if:

1.  You were born on US soil to ANY parent, citizen or not (except foreign diplomats).

2.  You were born abroad to parents (or one parent) who were/was a US citizen at the time of your birth.  This is where most people get confused.  If you fall into this category you are considered on an equal footing is if you were born on US soil.  That is, you are not acquiring citizenship thru &quot;naturalization&quot;.

3.  You were originally foreign born and a citizen of another country BUT you emigrated to the US, acquired a Green Card and later took the steps to become a US citizen (THIS IS NATURALIZATION).

Since Obama was born in Hawaii (or even if he wasn&#039;t), his mother was a US citizen and thus Obama was a citizen AT BIRTH thru his mother.  There was no &quot;naturalization&quot; involved at all. Therefore, there is no question at all this he is eligible to run for the presidency.

This is just a summary, of course.  There are various other requirements, exceptions and interpretations, but in general the above is true.

For a clear and thankfully brief explanation of this issue, check out:

http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd342.htm

Note Also:

&quot;The requirements for citizenship and the very definition thereof have changed since the Constitution was ratified in 1788.

Congress first recognized the citizenship of children born to U.S. parents overseas on March 26, 1790, under the first naturalization law: &quot;And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond sea, or outside the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Citizenship thru Birth vs Citizenship thru Naturalization<br />
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<p>In as few words as possible on a tricky subject:  You &#8220;acquire&#8221; US citizenship if:</p>
<p>1.  You were born on US soil to ANY parent, citizen or not (except foreign diplomats).</p>
<p>2.  You were born abroad to parents (or one parent) who were/was a US citizen at the time of your birth.  This is where most people get confused.  If you fall into this category you are considered on an equal footing is if you were born on US soil.  That is, you are not acquiring citizenship thru &#8220;naturalization&#8221;.</p>
<p>3.  You were originally foreign born and a citizen of another country BUT you emigrated to the US, acquired a Green Card and later took the steps to become a US citizen (THIS IS NATURALIZATION).</p>
<p>Since Obama was born in Hawaii (or even if he wasn&#8217;t), his mother was a US citizen and thus Obama was a citizen AT BIRTH thru his mother.  There was no &#8220;naturalization&#8221; involved at all. Therefore, there is no question at all this he is eligible to run for the presidency.</p>
<p>This is just a summary, of course.  There are various other requirements, exceptions and interpretations, but in general the above is true.</p>
<p>For a clear and thankfully brief explanation of this issue, check out:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd342.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd342.htm</a></p>
<p>Note Also:</p>
<p>&#8220;The requirements for citizenship and the very definition thereof have changed since the Constitution was ratified in 1788.</p>
<p>Congress first recognized the citizenship of children born to U.S. parents overseas on March 26, 1790, under the first naturalization law: &#8220;And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond sea, or outside the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: ehunter</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/10/12/a-technical-knock-out/#comment-6499</link>
		<dc:creator>ehunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 08:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1.The document Obama put on the DNC website
IS NOT a Birth Certificate. Its a Certificate
of Live Birth.
2. A Birth Certificate states when the birth
took place, where, the parents addresses,
the attending physician.
3. The document Obama provides only states that a infant is alive and present.
It does NOT state where the birth took place.
4. According to the Constitution only a natural born citizen..not a &quot;naturalized&quot; citzen can be President.
5. WHERE IS THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE? WHAT IS OBAMA HIDING?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.The document Obama put on the DNC website<br />
IS NOT a Birth Certificate. Its a Certificate<br />
of Live Birth.<br />
2. A Birth Certificate states when the birth<br />
took place, where, the parents addresses,<br />
the attending physician.<br />
3. The document Obama provides only states that a infant is alive and present.<br />
It does NOT state where the birth took place.<br />
4. According to the Constitution only a natural born citizen..not a &#8220;naturalized&#8221; citzen can be President.<br />
5. WHERE IS THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE? WHAT IS OBAMA HIDING?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Skubinna</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/10/12/a-technical-knock-out/#comment-6434</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Skubinna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 09:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Judith, the President doesn&#039;t need a security clearance.  Do you really think William Jefferson Clinton could have gotten a Top Secret clearance?

It just comes with the job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Judith, the President doesn&#8217;t need a security clearance.  Do you really think William Jefferson Clinton could have gotten a Top Secret clearance?</p>
<p>It just comes with the job.</p>
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		<title>By: Judith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 01:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny, w/ all of Obama&#039;s dubious baggage, he is still albe to get security clearance to be our Commander-in-Chief...where&#039;s the FBI&#039;s background check on this guy. Even a new colege grad is often asked by a potential employer for his college transcript &amp; birth certificate (these days employers, who don&#039;t verify an employee&#039;s nationality, get penalized for hiring illegal aliens.) Aside from his hidden documentation, every character reference is either a chicago politico or a anti-American socialist/marxist...never mind all the pro-Islamist Odinga/Khalidi?Said type of associations. Guess when it comes to being hired for President of the United States we can define security downward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny, w/ all of Obama&#8217;s dubious baggage, he is still albe to get security clearance to be our Commander-in-Chief&#8230;where&#8217;s the FBI&#8217;s background check on this guy. Even a new colege grad is often asked by a potential employer for his college transcript &amp; birth certificate (these days employers, who don&#8217;t verify an employee&#8217;s nationality, get penalized for hiring illegal aliens.) Aside from his hidden documentation, every character reference is either a chicago politico or a anti-American socialist/marxist&#8230;never mind all the pro-Islamist Odinga/Khalidi?Said type of associations. Guess when it comes to being hired for President of the United States we can define security downward.</p>
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		<title>By: Becky</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/10/12/a-technical-knock-out/#comment-6371</link>
		<dc:creator>Becky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama&#039;s history is a little muddy, his parents are both deceased, his family seems to be unreliable also, and he does not have a history of being easy to understand when he explains something. Mainly because he takes multiple liberties with the press to come up with an answer people will buy. Sometimes I think he and Michelle have a good laugh at night at how gullible they all are.

I don&#039;t think I know anyone that has had trouble with the request of showing a birth certificate when asked for legal requirements. I live in Michigan and we have been told that after 9/11, when traveling through Canada to New York, for example, you better have a copy of your birth certificate or passport with you. I haven&#039;t heard anyone I know protest.

I think he is being pretty silly and see no reason it had to become a lawsuit. The Obama campaign and his supporters seem to believe that whatever he states is the truth contrary to the fact he has altered some of his positions on a variety of topics including his personal history (Ayers, acorn, etc.) over the last year. Obama&#039;s version of the truth is a moving target.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama&#8217;s history is a little muddy, his parents are both deceased, his family seems to be unreliable also, and he does not have a history of being easy to understand when he explains something. Mainly because he takes multiple liberties with the press to come up with an answer people will buy. Sometimes I think he and Michelle have a good laugh at night at how gullible they all are.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think I know anyone that has had trouble with the request of showing a birth certificate when asked for legal requirements. I live in Michigan and we have been told that after 9/11, when traveling through Canada to New York, for example, you better have a copy of your birth certificate or passport with you. I haven&#8217;t heard anyone I know protest.</p>
<p>I think he is being pretty silly and see no reason it had to become a lawsuit. The Obama campaign and his supporters seem to believe that whatever he states is the truth contrary to the fact he has altered some of his positions on a variety of topics including his personal history (Ayers, acorn, etc.) over the last year. Obama&#8217;s version of the truth is a moving target.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Skubinna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Skubinna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 21:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My guess is that Obama and his camp are happy to let this be a distraction or red herring.  Chasing the elusive birth certificate down the rabbit hole is preferable to having people ask hard questions about Ayers and Dorhn, Wright and Pfleger, Rezko, Raines, and all the other assorted flotsam in Obama&#039;s closet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My guess is that Obama and his camp are happy to let this be a distraction or red herring.  Chasing the elusive birth certificate down the rabbit hole is preferable to having people ask hard questions about Ayers and Dorhn, Wright and Pfleger, Rezko, Raines, and all the other assorted flotsam in Obama&#8217;s closet.</p>
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		<title>By: George Beinhorn</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/10/12/a-technical-knock-out/#comment-6367</link>
		<dc:creator>George Beinhorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 21:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh Lord, if Colin Powell can&#039;t run, why -- WHY? -- should O&#039;Blamma?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Lord, if Colin Powell can&#8217;t run, why &#8212; WHY? &#8212; should O&#8217;Blamma?</p>
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