Comments on: “The moral influence which may be a powerful force with civilized countries is unlikely to to make an impression . . .” http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/08/09/the-moral-influence-which-may-be-a-powerful-force-with-civilized-countries-is-unlikely-to-to-make-an-impression/ Wed, 15 Feb 2012 13:59:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: satellite internet anywhere http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/08/09/the-moral-influence-which-may-be-a-powerful-force-with-civilized-countries-is-unlikely-to-to-make-an-impression/#comment-109592 satellite internet anywhere Thu, 01 Jul 2010 22:48:03 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/08/09/the-moral-influence-which-may-be-a-powerful-force-with-civilized-countries-is-unlikely-to-to-make-an-impression/#comment-109592 Intriguing post. I tend to agree with the stance on the issues, generally. I do believe you might have gone a lot more in depth though. Bookmarked. Intriguing post. I tend to agree with the stance on the issues, generally. I do believe you might have gone a lot more in depth though. Bookmarked.

]]> By: Yun http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/08/09/the-moral-influence-which-may-be-a-powerful-force-with-civilized-countries-is-unlikely-to-to-make-an-impression/#comment-3329 Yun Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:56:17 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/08/09/the-moral-influence-which-may-be-a-powerful-force-with-civilized-countries-is-unlikely-to-to-make-an-impression/#comment-3329 @Eric. 1) For one thing, during the Carter era there was an ACTUAL recession, not the "If we keep saying it's a recession maybe people will start to believe it" we're in now. A recession requires two consecutive quarters of negative growth. This is not happening now, and, as far as I know, has not happened since 2001, and even then it was A) a leftover from the Clinton years' dot-com bubble, 9/11, and the Enron scandal, none of which are attibutable to the Bush administration and B) SIGNIFICANTLY minor compared Carter's 13.5% inflation, 7.5% unemployment, and 11% interest rate. What we have currently is a SLOWDOWN, not a RECESSION. Point 2 I will not address as I was one year old at the time. 3) Considering the Democrats' response to every crisis is to ask the United Nations what to do, and then try to "understand" our enemies' "grievances" then yes, I have every confidence they would have screwed up the response to 9/11. To paraphrase Joe Lieberman, if you had your way Saddam Hussein would still be in power. You cannot convince me that the world would be better off if that was the case. @Eric.

1) For one thing, during the Carter era there was an ACTUAL recession, not the “If we keep saying it’s a recession maybe people will start to believe it” we’re in now. A recession requires two consecutive quarters of negative growth. This is not happening now, and, as far as I know, has not happened since 2001, and even then it was A) a leftover from the Clinton years’ dot-com bubble, 9/11, and the Enron scandal, none of which are attibutable to the Bush administration and B) SIGNIFICANTLY minor compared Carter’s 13.5% inflation, 7.5% unemployment, and 11% interest rate. What we have currently is a SLOWDOWN, not a RECESSION.

Point 2 I will not address as I was one year old at the time.

3) Considering the Democrats’ response to every crisis is to ask the United Nations what to do, and then try to “understand” our enemies’ “grievances” then yes, I have every confidence they would have screwed up the response to 9/11.

To paraphrase Joe Lieberman, if you had your way Saddam Hussein would still be in power. You cannot convince me that the world would be better off if that was the case.

]]> By: eric http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/08/09/the-moral-influence-which-may-be-a-powerful-force-with-civilized-countries-is-unlikely-to-to-make-an-impression/#comment-3274 eric Tue, 12 Aug 2008 00:05:33 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/08/09/the-moral-influence-which-may-be-a-powerful-force-with-civilized-countries-is-unlikely-to-to-make-an-impression/#comment-3274 hey, SAM - you made three statements that can't go unchallenged: 1) the state of the economy now vs. during the carter years. it was much worse then, huh? what measure are you using? or are you just talking out of your ... you know? do you have a reference for this statement? 2) you said you almost got drafted because of carter's policies. "almost"?!? how did you almost get drafted man? that makes no sense. either you got drafted or you didn't. there is no 'almost'. since there was no draft, i'm going to assume you were not drafted. 3) you intimate Al Gore and John Kerry would have somehow screwed up the response to 9/11. LMAO!!! have you noticed we've spent billions of dollars attacking and occupying the country that had nothing to do with the "planes flying into buildings"? not sure how anyone could have screwed this up worse. but suggesting that the dems would have does not make it so. sorry bud. three strikes and you're out. hey, SAM – you made three statements that can’t go unchallenged:

1) the state of the economy now vs. during the carter years. it was much worse then, huh? what measure are you using? or are you just talking out of your … you know? do you have a reference for this statement?

2) you said you almost got drafted because of carter’s policies. “almost”?!? how did you almost get drafted man? that makes no sense. either you got drafted or you didn’t. there is no ‘almost’. since there was no draft, i’m going to assume you were not drafted.

3) you intimate Al Gore and John Kerry would have somehow screwed up the response to 9/11.

LMAO!!!

have you noticed we’ve spent billions of dollars attacking and occupying the country that had nothing to do with the “planes flying into buildings”? not sure how anyone could have screwed this up worse. but suggesting that the dems would have does not make it so.

sorry bud. three strikes and you’re out.

]]> By: douglas Johnson http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/08/09/the-moral-influence-which-may-be-a-powerful-force-with-civilized-countries-is-unlikely-to-to-make-an-impression/#comment-3266 douglas Johnson Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:49:11 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/08/09/the-moral-influence-which-may-be-a-powerful-force-with-civilized-countries-is-unlikely-to-to-make-an-impression/#comment-3266 What course has McCain suggested at this point (I'm not being rhetorical...I really don't know)? The White House needs to come up with a response that does not hurt McCain in the election because to respond in a way that puts Obama in office would cripple our response before it even starts. Or if the best response would hurt McCain in the election, and so be it, then McCain needs to sit down with the President today over how to deal with Georgia. Of course the President is in Bejing and McCain is here. What course has McCain suggested at this point (I’m not being rhetorical…I really don’t know)? The White House needs to come up with a response that does not hurt McCain in the election because to respond in a way that puts Obama in office would cripple our response before it even starts. Or if the best response would hurt McCain in the election, and so be it, then McCain needs to sit down with the President today over how to deal with Georgia. Of course the President is in Bejing and McCain is here.

]]> By: Shef Rogers http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/08/09/the-moral-influence-which-may-be-a-powerful-force-with-civilized-countries-is-unlikely-to-to-make-an-impression/#comment-3256 Shef Rogers Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:16:46 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/08/09/the-moral-influence-which-may-be-a-powerful-force-with-civilized-countries-is-unlikely-to-to-make-an-impression/#comment-3256 Please don't moralize news about the Caucasus. There is no law there. There never has been. That was the case long, long before the Soviet Union was created. There are no good guys in this story, least of all the Georgians. They made a power play, miscalculated and lost, period. Please don’t moralize news about the Caucasus. There is no law there. There never has been. That was the case long, long before the Soviet Union was created. There are no good guys in this story, least of all the Georgians. They made a power play, miscalculated and lost, period.

]]> By: WebElf Report News Blog-O-Rama « The WebElf Report http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/08/09/the-moral-influence-which-may-be-a-powerful-force-with-civilized-countries-is-unlikely-to-to-make-an-impression/#comment-3231 WebElf Report News Blog-O-Rama « The WebElf Report Sun, 10 Aug 2008 23:19:33 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/08/09/the-moral-influence-which-may-be-a-powerful-force-with-civilized-countries-is-unlikely-to-to-make-an-impression/#comment-3231 [...] BLOOD FOR OIL FO’ REAL– “When Russian tanks and troops poured into the separatist Georgian province of South [...] [...] BLOOD FOR OIL FO’ REAL– “When Russian tanks and troops poured into the separatist Georgian province of South [...]

]]> By: Sojerofgod http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/08/09/the-moral-influence-which-may-be-a-powerful-force-with-civilized-countries-is-unlikely-to-to-make-an-impression/#comment-3227 Sojerofgod Sun, 10 Aug 2008 22:26:59 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/08/09/the-moral-influence-which-may-be-a-powerful-force-with-civilized-countries-is-unlikely-to-to-make-an-impression/#comment-3227 This war was stage-managed from moscow. The Ossetian militiamen were shelling Georgian towns-where, pray tell did they get cannon? Saakashvili got suckered into responding and gave Russia the opening they needed. A tank brigade just doesn't pack up and cross the border on 6 hours notice. It takes days to weeks to prep one for such a movement. Blaming Georgia for this is like blaming the rape victim for fighting back against her attacker. This war was stage-managed from moscow. The Ossetian militiamen were shelling Georgian towns-where, pray tell did they get cannon? Saakashvili got suckered into responding and gave Russia the opening they needed. A tank brigade just doesn’t pack up and cross the border on 6 hours notice. It takes days to weeks to prep one for such a movement. Blaming Georgia for this is like blaming the rape victim for fighting back against her attacker.

]]> By: R.C. http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/08/09/the-moral-influence-which-may-be-a-powerful-force-with-civilized-countries-is-unlikely-to-to-make-an-impression/#comment-3221 R.C. Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:15:44 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/08/09/the-moral-influence-which-may-be-a-powerful-force-with-civilized-countries-is-unlikely-to-to-make-an-impression/#comment-3221 Hello? Illiterates? In English, "George" is spelled "George," not "Jorge." Hello? Illiterates? In English, “George” is spelled “George,” not “Jorge.”

]]> By: Gary http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/08/09/the-moral-influence-which-may-be-a-powerful-force-with-civilized-countries-is-unlikely-to-to-make-an-impression/#comment-3216 Gary Sun, 10 Aug 2008 20:41:16 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/08/09/the-moral-influence-which-may-be-a-powerful-force-with-civilized-countries-is-unlikely-to-to-make-an-impression/#comment-3216 All these posts about "U.S. Intelligence Services and State Department were asleep", Bush doing nothing, whether Geogria looks West or wants to be in NATO or not is irrevelevant. Russia is resurgent and that is a fact. Quite possibly as the country's standard of living rises and its consumerist middle class grows it may become more interested in trade and commerce rather than the Imperial Russia/Soviet Union of old. In the meantime Georgia is within Russia's sphere of influence and the United States (and most certainly a nearly disarmed Western Europe) has as much chance to influencing events there as Russia does in the Dominican Republic or Guatemals... All these posts about “U.S. Intelligence Services and State Department were asleep”, Bush doing nothing, whether Geogria looks West or wants to be in NATO or not is irrevelevant. Russia is resurgent and that is a fact. Quite possibly as the country’s standard of living rises and its consumerist middle class grows it may become more interested in trade and commerce rather than the Imperial Russia/Soviet Union of old.

In the meantime Georgia is within Russia’s sphere of influence and the United States (and most certainly a nearly disarmed Western Europe) has as much chance to influencing events there as Russia does in the Dominican Republic or Guatemals…

]]> By: What Do We Owe Georgia? http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/08/09/the-moral-influence-which-may-be-a-powerful-force-with-civilized-countries-is-unlikely-to-to-make-an-impression/#comment-3212 What Do We Owe Georgia? Sun, 10 Aug 2008 20:18:20 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/08/09/the-moral-influence-which-may-be-a-powerful-force-with-civilized-countries-is-unlikely-to-to-make-an-impression/#comment-3212 [...] differ widely on the international significance of Russia’s latest imperialist adventure. I regard it as a dangerous–well, “precedent” isn’t quite right, since we have been down this road [...] [...] differ widely on the international significance of Russia’s latest imperialist adventure. I regard it as a dangerous–well, “precedent” isn’t quite right, since we have been down this road [...]

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