<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Remembering Hiroshima: Political wisdom from The Guardian</title>
	<atom:link href="http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/08/07/remembering-hiroshima-political-wisdom-from-the-guardian/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/08/07/remembering-hiroshima-political-wisdom-from-the-guardian/</link>
	<description></description>
	<lastBuildDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 13:59:50 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: Roger&#39;s Rules &#187; Theory and Reality in the age of Obama, Or, how what you don’t know can hurt you</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/08/07/remembering-hiroshima-political-wisdom-from-the-guardian/#comment-116057</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger&#39;s Rules &#187; Theory and Reality in the age of Obama, Or, how what you don’t know can hurt you</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 17:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/08/07/remembering-hiroshima-political-wisdom-from-the-guardian/#comment-116057</guid>
		<description>[...]  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]  [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: WebElf Report News Blog-O-Rama &#171; The WebElf Report</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/08/07/remembering-hiroshima-political-wisdom-from-the-guardian/#comment-4692</link>
		<dc:creator>WebElf Report News Blog-O-Rama &#171; The WebElf Report</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/08/07/remembering-hiroshima-political-wisdom-from-the-guardian/#comment-4692</guid>
		<description>[...] REMEMBERNG Hiroshima: Political wisdom from The Guardian &#8230;. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] REMEMBERNG Hiroshima: Political wisdom from The Guardian &#8230;. [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Joseph Somsel</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/08/07/remembering-hiroshima-political-wisdom-from-the-guardian/#comment-3400</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Somsel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/08/07/remembering-hiroshima-political-wisdom-from-the-guardian/#comment-3400</guid>
		<description>Excellent posting and comments.

I&#039;ve just read Sherman&#039;s Memoirs and did not detect any such genocidal inclinations towards Southerners.  Sherman had served in Florida, South Carolina, and, after resigning his commission, in Lousiana and had many friends throughout the South.

He fully intended to &quot;make Georgia howl&quot; as a matter of policy but was careful to minimize civilian distress so long as they did not interfer in his mission.  The memoirs contain his general orders to his troops.  He even publicly hanged one of his own men convicted of rape.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent posting and comments.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve just read Sherman&#8217;s Memoirs and did not detect any such genocidal inclinations towards Southerners.  Sherman had served in Florida, South Carolina, and, after resigning his commission, in Lousiana and had many friends throughout the South.</p>
<p>He fully intended to &#8220;make Georgia howl&#8221; as a matter of policy but was careful to minimize civilian distress so long as they did not interfer in his mission.  The memoirs contain his general orders to his troops.  He even publicly hanged one of his own men convicted of rape.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Polemicscat</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/08/07/remembering-hiroshima-political-wisdom-from-the-guardian/#comment-3398</link>
		<dc:creator>Polemicscat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/08/07/remembering-hiroshima-political-wisdom-from-the-guardian/#comment-3398</guid>
		<description>One of the major differences between the United States of 1945 and the United States of today is that, today, our citizens would not tolerate the kind of losses we were having during WWII. Today a complete victory would not have been possible because too many citizens would have wanted a settlement with Japan (and even with Germany)short of total surrender.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the major differences between the United States of 1945 and the United States of today is that, today, our citizens would not tolerate the kind of losses we were having during WWII. Today a complete victory would not have been possible because too many citizens would have wanted a settlement with Japan (and even with Germany)short of total surrender.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Jarhead</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/08/07/remembering-hiroshima-political-wisdom-from-the-guardian/#comment-3260</link>
		<dc:creator>Jarhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/08/07/remembering-hiroshima-political-wisdom-from-the-guardian/#comment-3260</guid>
		<description>I disagree that this was a difficult decision for the American President.  We had already kolled hundreds of thousands by firebombing cities - the nuclear bombs just did the same thing more effeciently.

If Truman had decided to refrain from using the bombs, and invaded Japan instead, he would have been impeached the moment the truth came out.  The families of three hundred thousand dead soldiers and Marines would not have forgiven him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree that this was a difficult decision for the American President.  We had already kolled hundreds of thousands by firebombing cities &#8211; the nuclear bombs just did the same thing more effeciently.</p>
<p>If Truman had decided to refrain from using the bombs, and invaded Japan instead, he would have been impeached the moment the truth came out.  The families of three hundred thousand dead soldiers and Marines would not have forgiven him.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: srlucado</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/08/07/remembering-hiroshima-political-wisdom-from-the-guardian/#comment-3154</link>
		<dc:creator>srlucado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 18:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/08/07/remembering-hiroshima-political-wisdom-from-the-guardian/#comment-3154</guid>
		<description>It&#039;s also interesting to note what America did after the Japanese surrender.  I highly recommend the book &quot;Medic&quot;, the memoir of Dr. Crawford Sams, US Army doctor in charge of healthcare in Japan after the war.  

The US Army went to enormous lengths to save as many Japanese lives as possible, improving nutrition, health care, sanitation, and myriad other factors.  (How many people know that the leading cause of death in Japan at that time was tuberculosis?  Dr. Sams undertook a campaign that essentially eradicated tuberculosis from Japan.)

The dedication of this one man led to saving literally millions of lives after the war.

Were the atomic bombings terrible?  No doubt, though the alternatives were far, far worse.  Did the bombings reflect a genocidal American attitude toward the Japanese?  Exactly the opposite, as Dr. Sams and his staff attest.

Scott</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s also interesting to note what America did after the Japanese surrender.  I highly recommend the book &#8220;Medic&#8221;, the memoir of Dr. Crawford Sams, US Army doctor in charge of healthcare in Japan after the war.  </p>
<p>The US Army went to enormous lengths to save as many Japanese lives as possible, improving nutrition, health care, sanitation, and myriad other factors.  (How many people know that the leading cause of death in Japan at that time was tuberculosis?  Dr. Sams undertook a campaign that essentially eradicated tuberculosis from Japan.)</p>
<p>The dedication of this one man led to saving literally millions of lives after the war.</p>
<p>Were the atomic bombings terrible?  No doubt, though the alternatives were far, far worse.  Did the bombings reflect a genocidal American attitude toward the Japanese?  Exactly the opposite, as Dr. Sams and his staff attest.</p>
<p>Scott</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Steven Earl Salmony</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/08/07/remembering-hiroshima-political-wisdom-from-the-guardian/#comment-3153</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Earl Salmony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 15:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/08/07/remembering-hiroshima-political-wisdom-from-the-guardian/#comment-3153</guid>
		<description>Greetings to all:

We have a very serious problem concerning another kind of bomb, not an atomic bomb.

Denial of emergent and convergent global threats by informed leaders and delaying tactics by their many minions are threatening life as we know it and the integrity of Earth today.

We are not seeing colleagues speak out loudly, clearly and often to report that The Human Species’ Population Bomb is Exploding NOW, as I did in 2005.

http://www.fragilecologies.com/mar22_05.html

The deafening silence of too many reputable scientists and the shrill voices of many too many political hacks and ideologues are symptomatic of deeply distressing problems. Top rank scientists in many places are either being subjected to venal pressures and, in some cases, driven out of “politically incorrect” areas of research or else their positions and programs are cut out of the government’s budget. Low rank scientists, willing to subscribe to whatsoever is politically convenient and economically expedient, remain in place.

By recklessly funding such entities like the Department of Defense and related `defense’ activities for the sake of winning military battles in distant lands, we are losing “the war” against environmental degradation, biodiversity extirpation, and the preservation of Earth as a fit place for human habitation by our children and coming generations. 

How could my single, admittedly not-so-great generation of wrong-headed leading elders have become so terribly misdirected? These self-proclaimed “masters of the universe” have vanquished moral authority, but not the designated enemies. Perhaps wanton greed, acquisition of too much power, and idolatry of endless wealth accumulation and economic growth-mania of many too many leaders have something to do with my `religious’ generation’s adamant pursuit of so many unfortunate errands perpetrated by a confederacy of fools.

Steven Earl Salmony
AWAREness Campaign on The Human Population
established 2001</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greetings to all:</p>
<p>We have a very serious problem concerning another kind of bomb, not an atomic bomb.</p>
<p>Denial of emergent and convergent global threats by informed leaders and delaying tactics by their many minions are threatening life as we know it and the integrity of Earth today.</p>
<p>We are not seeing colleagues speak out loudly, clearly and often to report that The Human Species’ Population Bomb is Exploding NOW, as I did in 2005.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.fragilecologies.com/mar22_05.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.fragilecologies.com/mar22_05.html</a></p>
<p>The deafening silence of too many reputable scientists and the shrill voices of many too many political hacks and ideologues are symptomatic of deeply distressing problems. Top rank scientists in many places are either being subjected to venal pressures and, in some cases, driven out of “politically incorrect” areas of research or else their positions and programs are cut out of the government’s budget. Low rank scientists, willing to subscribe to whatsoever is politically convenient and economically expedient, remain in place.</p>
<p>By recklessly funding such entities like the Department of Defense and related `defense’ activities for the sake of winning military battles in distant lands, we are losing “the war” against environmental degradation, biodiversity extirpation, and the preservation of Earth as a fit place for human habitation by our children and coming generations. </p>
<p>How could my single, admittedly not-so-great generation of wrong-headed leading elders have become so terribly misdirected? These self-proclaimed “masters of the universe” have vanquished moral authority, but not the designated enemies. Perhaps wanton greed, acquisition of too much power, and idolatry of endless wealth accumulation and economic growth-mania of many too many leaders have something to do with my `religious’ generation’s adamant pursuit of so many unfortunate errands perpetrated by a confederacy of fools.</p>
<p>Steven Earl Salmony<br />
AWAREness Campaign on The Human Population<br />
established 2001</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: 11B40</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/08/07/remembering-hiroshima-political-wisdom-from-the-guardian/#comment-3149</link>
		<dc:creator>11B40</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 02:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/08/07/remembering-hiroshima-political-wisdom-from-the-guardian/#comment-3149</guid>
		<description>Greetings:

A little bit of infantry folk-wisdom.  Two young riflemen are discussing their targeting preferences.  One prefers head-shots, the other center-mass (torso) shots.  The head-shooter opines that if you hit him, he&#039;s done; the torso shooter likes the larger target area.  As the discussion goes back and forth, their sergeant comes by.  Head-shooter asks: &quot;Sarge, where do you like to shoot the bad guys?&quot;
&quot;In the back,&quot; replies the sergeant.

If you don&#039;t understand this, stay out of the infantry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greetings:</p>
<p>A little bit of infantry folk-wisdom.  Two young riflemen are discussing their targeting preferences.  One prefers head-shots, the other center-mass (torso) shots.  The head-shooter opines that if you hit him, he&#8217;s done; the torso shooter likes the larger target area.  As the discussion goes back and forth, their sergeant comes by.  Head-shooter asks: &#8220;Sarge, where do you like to shoot the bad guys?&#8221;<br />
&#8220;In the back,&#8221; replies the sergeant.</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t understand this, stay out of the infantry.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: John P. Owens</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/08/07/remembering-hiroshima-political-wisdom-from-the-guardian/#comment-3148</link>
		<dc:creator>John P. Owens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 18:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/08/07/remembering-hiroshima-political-wisdom-from-the-guardian/#comment-3148</guid>
		<description>Wonderful article and learned, thoughtful  commentaries above. By chance, the 509th Air Group (they were hand picked to work on the delivery end of the Bomb) held their reunion at the hotel I was staying at last summer. It was my honor to meet a number of the men and their family members while I was there. To a man they were proud of their roles they played in war preparing for their missions over Hiroshima and Nagasaki. There was no lack of clarity on their parts about the necessity of their missions. In our post modern world the presence and recognition of evil seems to be a quaint notion that only the lumpens believe anymore. Perhaps we have won the battle but lost the war if we have surrendered our ability to make difficult moral decisions and label evil for what it is. Say what you will about Bush but I don&#039;t exactly see the Left in a frenzy about jailed homosexuals and the de facto enslavement of women in the Middle East. Ah, but bring that indelicate point up at the next cocktail party you attend and see the if &quot;evil&quot; is  mentioned in that context or not. The fact that you can guess the answer with high probability should lead you to believe that we have abandoned the notion of evil as a society. Yet bring up the topic of &quot;hope&quot; in today&#039;s politcal environment and you will be seen as a fellow elite of rarified moral character and charm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful article and learned, thoughtful  commentaries above. By chance, the 509th Air Group (they were hand picked to work on the delivery end of the Bomb) held their reunion at the hotel I was staying at last summer. It was my honor to meet a number of the men and their family members while I was there. To a man they were proud of their roles they played in war preparing for their missions over Hiroshima and Nagasaki. There was no lack of clarity on their parts about the necessity of their missions. In our post modern world the presence and recognition of evil seems to be a quaint notion that only the lumpens believe anymore. Perhaps we have won the battle but lost the war if we have surrendered our ability to make difficult moral decisions and label evil for what it is. Say what you will about Bush but I don&#8217;t exactly see the Left in a frenzy about jailed homosexuals and the de facto enslavement of women in the Middle East. Ah, but bring that indelicate point up at the next cocktail party you attend and see the if &#8220;evil&#8221; is  mentioned in that context or not. The fact that you can guess the answer with high probability should lead you to believe that we have abandoned the notion of evil as a society. Yet bring up the topic of &#8220;hope&#8221; in today&#8217;s politcal environment and you will be seen as a fellow elite of rarified moral character and charm.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: RiverC</title>
		<link>http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/08/07/remembering-hiroshima-political-wisdom-from-the-guardian/#comment-3147</link>
		<dc:creator>RiverC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 13:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerkimball/2008/08/07/remembering-hiroshima-political-wisdom-from-the-guardian/#comment-3147</guid>
		<description>In the west, because of our particular religious language and its legalistic overtones, we take the word &#039;justify&#039; in the wholly wrong sense, I think. War is immoral, but necessary. That is, whenever we talk about the morality of actions in war we are always speaking of relative levels of morality, and not justification before God. In a very peculiar sense, no killing is just before God. But when we get into politics, as most wise generals know, we wound ourselves so that others may be saved. We also in the west think of &#039;saved&#039; as meaning eternal salvation, but the plain fact is, most salvation we receive is that of the material type. 

Therefore, I think the concept of Just War is bunk, especially if we want to say that our war was justified before God. If God loves all of his creation, then we can&#039;t say he is happy when we go around destroying it. It is also a good point to note that God forgives, so even though we screwed ourselves up getting in the position where &#039;laws failed&#039;, and then did more evil - relatively - to get us out of that position, there is still forgiveness. 

If there is any &#039;just&#039; war it is that we believe - in the sense of the judgments made about this fallen existence - that we made the best choice we could. 

Besides, if moralists argue that the ends never justify the means, then they surely can&#039;t be Christian moralists. I would think that if they were in a legal battle with God himself, he would maintain quite firmly that some pretty extreme means are justified in light of the eternal salvation of man. 

Denis is right, the argument really is &#039;what means are justified&#039;? When we speak of worldly, and thus to a degree relative things, we know from the beginning that &#039;any&#039; means are not justified. 

This is why even with the technocracy and science and all-what-have-you we still need men of wisdom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the west, because of our particular religious language and its legalistic overtones, we take the word &#8216;justify&#8217; in the wholly wrong sense, I think. War is immoral, but necessary. That is, whenever we talk about the morality of actions in war we are always speaking of relative levels of morality, and not justification before God. In a very peculiar sense, no killing is just before God. But when we get into politics, as most wise generals know, we wound ourselves so that others may be saved. We also in the west think of &#8216;saved&#8217; as meaning eternal salvation, but the plain fact is, most salvation we receive is that of the material type. </p>
<p>Therefore, I think the concept of Just War is bunk, especially if we want to say that our war was justified before God. If God loves all of his creation, then we can&#8217;t say he is happy when we go around destroying it. It is also a good point to note that God forgives, so even though we screwed ourselves up getting in the position where &#8216;laws failed&#8217;, and then did more evil &#8211; relatively &#8211; to get us out of that position, there is still forgiveness. </p>
<p>If there is any &#8216;just&#8217; war it is that we believe &#8211; in the sense of the judgments made about this fallen existence &#8211; that we made the best choice we could. </p>
<p>Besides, if moralists argue that the ends never justify the means, then they surely can&#8217;t be Christian moralists. I would think that if they were in a legal battle with God himself, he would maintain quite firmly that some pretty extreme means are justified in light of the eternal salvation of man. </p>
<p>Denis is right, the argument really is &#8216;what means are justified&#8217;? When we speak of worldly, and thus to a degree relative things, we know from the beginning that &#8216;any&#8217; means are not justified. </p>
<p>This is why even with the technocracy and science and all-what-have-you we still need men of wisdom.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

