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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 19:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having just returned from Normandy, I cannot say enough about the bravery of those men who liberated France and defeated the essence of evil. To any living WW2 vet, THANK YOU!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having just returned from Normandy, I cannot say enough about the bravery of those men who liberated France and defeated the essence of evil. To any living WW2 vet, THANK YOU!</p>
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		<title>By: raven</title>
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		<dc:creator>raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our tolerance is to win in four days with no casualties on our side. 
  Makes a really outstanding argument to nuke an adversary, does it not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our tolerance is to win in four days with no casualties on our side.<br />
  Makes a really outstanding argument to nuke an adversary, does it not?</p>
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		<title>By: WebElf Report News Blogroll &#171; The WebElf Report</title>
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		<dc:creator>WebElf Report News Blogroll &#171; The WebElf Report</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 21:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] BREAKING NEWS! &#8220;US Army pinned down in bungled assault. Huge civilian casualties. Experts fear grave damage [...]</description>
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		<title>By: steve miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 14:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand the continual carping about the Iraq War II &quot;mistakes&quot; or &quot;failure&quot; as if this invalidates the entire war.

No plan of battle survives the first contact. You adapt, you change. The key goals are the removal of the threat of Saddam Hussein. 

What is so hard about that? 

And good point about how the MSM (but missing the Euros) tried their best not to look like they were paid informants of Hussein. Anyone remember the crocodile tears over the sanctions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand the continual carping about the Iraq War II &#8220;mistakes&#8221; or &#8220;failure&#8221; as if this invalidates the entire war.</p>
<p>No plan of battle survives the first contact. You adapt, you change. The key goals are the removal of the threat of Saddam Hussein. </p>
<p>What is so hard about that? </p>
<p>And good point about how the MSM (but missing the Euros) tried their best not to look like they were paid informants of Hussein. Anyone remember the crocodile tears over the sanctions?</p>
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		<title>By: Sceptic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sceptic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 14:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vincenzo says: &quot;by any reasonable measure, one would say that iran’s “sabre-rattling” of recent vintage has all the ring of desperation and fear.&quot;

I would have to agree that Iran&#039;s regime is indeed hollow.  That&#039;s why it pains me all the more that we invaded Iraq based on false pretenses. Let&#039;s look at what it has done for Iran:

1) Overstretched our military.   Iran knows that we cannot invade them while we are tied down in Iraq (and don&#039;t forget Afghanistan!).  At best, all we could muster is a few token airstrikes, which would only have the effect of strengthening their hold on the populace.  Our empty &quot;sabre-rattling&quot; only emboldens them.
2) We&#039;ve turned Iraq from an enemy to a future ally of Iran.  If only Bush would have known the difference between Shiite and Sunni...:)
3) The draining of our financial reserves has steadily weakened the dollar, increasing the relative cost of oil and given Iran a huge financial boost, which they can leverage to finance their surrogates (Hamas, Hezbollah) to further destabilize other parts of the middle east.

If only we had had a true conservative in the white house during this time.  They would have smashed Afghanistan (and captured Osama!) then been able to put massive pressure on Iran to stop their nuclear programs, not to mention the Pakis...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vincenzo says: &#8220;by any reasonable measure, one would say that iran’s “sabre-rattling” of recent vintage has all the ring of desperation and fear.&#8221;</p>
<p>I would have to agree that Iran&#8217;s regime is indeed hollow.  That&#8217;s why it pains me all the more that we invaded Iraq based on false pretenses. Let&#8217;s look at what it has done for Iran:</p>
<p>1) Overstretched our military.   Iran knows that we cannot invade them while we are tied down in Iraq (and don&#8217;t forget Afghanistan!).  At best, all we could muster is a few token airstrikes, which would only have the effect of strengthening their hold on the populace.  Our empty &#8220;sabre-rattling&#8221; only emboldens them.<br />
2) We&#8217;ve turned Iraq from an enemy to a future ally of Iran.  If only Bush would have known the difference between Shiite and Sunni&#8230;:)<br />
3) The draining of our financial reserves has steadily weakened the dollar, increasing the relative cost of oil and given Iran a huge financial boost, which they can leverage to finance their surrogates (Hamas, Hezbollah) to further destabilize other parts of the middle east.</p>
<p>If only we had had a true conservative in the white house during this time.  They would have smashed Afghanistan (and captured Osama!) then been able to put massive pressure on Iran to stop their nuclear programs, not to mention the Pakis&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sceptic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sceptic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 14:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Essucht says: &quot;[The poor reporting had] ...everything to do with Saddam’s money and influence&quot;

This is an interesting theory.  Can you point to any evidence that Saddam was paying off the Nytimes, Fox, CNN, etc. to give the Bush admin. a pass to invade his country?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Essucht says: &#8220;[The poor reporting had] &#8230;everything to do with Saddam’s money and influence&#8221;</p>
<p>This is an interesting theory.  Can you point to any evidence that Saddam was paying off the Nytimes, Fox, CNN, etc. to give the Bush admin. a pass to invade his country?</p>
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		<title>By: Sceptic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sceptic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 14:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ChknLtL says: ...it will really be a “priceless expenditure of American credibility” if our next president doesn’t have the moral stature to stay long enough to win the peace there too.

To me this is the same old Vietnam-based argument (&quot;if we only would have stayed there long enough (and had many more of our soldiers killed without advancing any true national security objectives!) all would have turned out fine&quot;).  

We should all expect more out of our President to a) make sure that wars fought based on true national security interests (like WWII and Iraq I) and that b) they are fought with a minimum of competence.  

I fear that if we base them only on the ability to stay long enough to win, American power and standing in the world will only continue to decline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ChknLtL says: &#8230;it will really be a “priceless expenditure of American credibility” if our next president doesn’t have the moral stature to stay long enough to win the peace there too.</p>
<p>To me this is the same old Vietnam-based argument (&#8220;if we only would have stayed there long enough (and had many more of our soldiers killed without advancing any true national security objectives!) all would have turned out fine&#8221;).  </p>
<p>We should all expect more out of our President to a) make sure that wars fought based on true national security interests (like WWII and Iraq I) and that b) they are fought with a minimum of competence.  </p>
<p>I fear that if we base them only on the ability to stay long enough to win, American power and standing in the world will only continue to decline.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 13:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, imagine this story:

&quot;Pearl Harbor Bombed! FDR kills 4000 of our soldiers in mistaken attack on Bolivia. &#039;I thought they were Bolivians.&#039;  US mired in trillion dollar Bolivian civil war and occupation, with no end in sight.  6 years later, Tojo no closer to being brought to justice.&quot;

Of course, with FDR, if he had not been impeached, he would have resigned in disgrace.  American was a different country back then - we believed in accountability.

Discuss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, imagine this story:</p>
<p>&#8220;Pearl Harbor Bombed! FDR kills 4000 of our soldiers in mistaken attack on Bolivia. &#8216;I thought they were Bolivians.&#8217;  US mired in trillion dollar Bolivian civil war and occupation, with no end in sight.  6 years later, Tojo no closer to being brought to justice.&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course, with FDR, if he had not been impeached, he would have resigned in disgrace.  American was a different country back then &#8211; we believed in accountability.</p>
<p>Discuss.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Bensky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Bensky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 12:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have failed to mention the key fact, which is FDR&#039;s disproportionate reaction to the attack on Pearl Harbor, carried out by Japanese whose goal was to preserve their unique culture against the depredations of the western world.

This fiasco of an operation in France, which is killing women and children and destroying schools and hospitals, would never have happened if FDR had simply offered to meet with Hitler and Tojo without preconditions. After all, what problem can&#039;t be settled fairly if we just sit down and talk sincerely to the other side?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have failed to mention the key fact, which is FDR&#8217;s disproportionate reaction to the attack on Pearl Harbor, carried out by Japanese whose goal was to preserve their unique culture against the depredations of the western world.</p>
<p>This fiasco of an operation in France, which is killing women and children and destroying schools and hospitals, would never have happened if FDR had simply offered to meet with Hitler and Tojo without preconditions. After all, what problem can&#8217;t be settled fairly if we just sit down and talk sincerely to the other side?</p>
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		<title>By: nihil</title>
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		<dc:creator>nihil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 09:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We can never correct the blunders of the past. That&#039;s what &quot;the past&quot; means -- that which we cannot change. Counterfactual history is a waste of ink. All history can do is offer some rough guides. The leader of a gang of racist bullies is jailed in democratic countries. Tribal societies may still make him chief. Today&#039;s Germans would not vote for Hitler. Few Southerners would vote for Jefferson Davis or volunteer to fight to  pull our states out of the union. Our state is not the focus of patriotism: our country is. Being Catholic, Baptist, Holiness, Mormon, Adventist, Greek or Russian Orthodox, Reform, Orthodox, or Conservative Jewish, Sunni or Shi&#039;a Muslim, Hinayana, Mahayana, Zen Buddhist, Universalist, Agnostic, Atheist, or anything else doesn&#039;t keep us from being loyal Americans. All these sects have been persecuted, beaten, killed, sometimes  recently, sometimes in America. It doesn&#039;t happen in Germany or England, but a few hundred years ago Protestants and Catholics, beat, raped, lynched, and murdered each other. They&#039;ve learned from history. The democratic world has learned to stop dictators before they threaten their neighbors. We are trying to learn how to stop religious war, genocide, chaos, and aggression. We aren&#039;t very good at it yet. Peacekeepers, observed elections, and economic sanctions are flimsy interventions, but given time they usually work. Military intervention is a last resort. Even when it happens, as in Afghanistan, or Iraq, there are local allies for the invaders. The vast armies sweeping across countries are obsolete. Most countries have dropped conscription, it is too expensive, and too wasteful of &quot;human resources.&quot; We have perfected ways of killing an enemy with Predators, Robots, and ultimately atomic and thermonuclear weapons. Attempts to limit proliferation have not worked. Most countries have reason to fear nuclear neighbors. Rational leaders will limit their bullying of nuclear neighbors, if the people let them. Good reason not to ignite popular anger. So far so good. A country so crazy as to threaten the destruction of the U.S. would suffer asymetric destruction, Kilotons or none for us. Megatons for them, with gigatons for their allies if they want to play against the big boys. We now have some working anti-ballistic and anti-cruise weapons (Aegis and Patriot). These will shift the odds even more. We must learn how to bargain from strength, not bluff from weakness as Iraq did. Our would-be enemies must learn that we always hold something back, something more horrible  anything in their nightmares. Maybe Dick Cheney with a shotgun or Hillary stoked on boilermakers. Never to fear to bargain, but never to bargain from fear. To trust, but verify. To walk softly, and carry a big stick. To fear nothing but fear itself. 
To make the world safe for democracy. Let us have peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We can never correct the blunders of the past. That&#8217;s what &#8220;the past&#8221; means &#8212; that which we cannot change. Counterfactual history is a waste of ink. All history can do is offer some rough guides. The leader of a gang of racist bullies is jailed in democratic countries. Tribal societies may still make him chief. Today&#8217;s Germans would not vote for Hitler. Few Southerners would vote for Jefferson Davis or volunteer to fight to  pull our states out of the union. Our state is not the focus of patriotism: our country is. Being Catholic, Baptist, Holiness, Mormon, Adventist, Greek or Russian Orthodox, Reform, Orthodox, or Conservative Jewish, Sunni or Shi&#8217;a Muslim, Hinayana, Mahayana, Zen Buddhist, Universalist, Agnostic, Atheist, or anything else doesn&#8217;t keep us from being loyal Americans. All these sects have been persecuted, beaten, killed, sometimes  recently, sometimes in America. It doesn&#8217;t happen in Germany or England, but a few hundred years ago Protestants and Catholics, beat, raped, lynched, and murdered each other. They&#8217;ve learned from history. The democratic world has learned to stop dictators before they threaten their neighbors. We are trying to learn how to stop religious war, genocide, chaos, and aggression. We aren&#8217;t very good at it yet. Peacekeepers, observed elections, and economic sanctions are flimsy interventions, but given time they usually work. Military intervention is a last resort. Even when it happens, as in Afghanistan, or Iraq, there are local allies for the invaders. The vast armies sweeping across countries are obsolete. Most countries have dropped conscription, it is too expensive, and too wasteful of &#8220;human resources.&#8221; We have perfected ways of killing an enemy with Predators, Robots, and ultimately atomic and thermonuclear weapons. Attempts to limit proliferation have not worked. Most countries have reason to fear nuclear neighbors. Rational leaders will limit their bullying of nuclear neighbors, if the people let them. Good reason not to ignite popular anger. So far so good. A country so crazy as to threaten the destruction of the U.S. would suffer asymetric destruction, Kilotons or none for us. Megatons for them, with gigatons for their allies if they want to play against the big boys. We now have some working anti-ballistic and anti-cruise weapons (Aegis and Patriot). These will shift the odds even more. We must learn how to bargain from strength, not bluff from weakness as Iraq did. Our would-be enemies must learn that we always hold something back, something more horrible  anything in their nightmares. Maybe Dick Cheney with a shotgun or Hillary stoked on boilermakers. Never to fear to bargain, but never to bargain from fear. To trust, but verify. To walk softly, and carry a big stick. To fear nothing but fear itself.<br />
To make the world safe for democracy. Let us have peace.</p>
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