Habu – I am puzzled. You would say this about Maj. Hasan and Muslims:

They will never integrate with western culture. They are trying to destroy it. …. Kill them before they destroy us.

but you chose to let the PC world infect your view of Indians/Native Americans? There seems to be some cognitive dissonance here. How many treaties were broken with Muslims? I am just arguing the point here, btw. The Muslim world seems to think the west is completely disingenuous vis-a-vis contact with Western culture.

I have lived my life amongst the pueblos on the Rio Grande and the Apache tribes of the SW. They do just fine and really feel, for the most part, that they do not need to white man’s help or consideration.

My point is that I believe you are applying The Sanction of the Victim to one group of people but not another. This is inconsistent. Either we are all the same or not. We sanction victims or refuse to. Me, I refuse to.

…. “the willingness of the good to suffer at the hands of the evil, to accept the role of sacrificial victim for the ‘sin’ of creating values.”

And no, I am not going to supply the list of broken treaties, do it yourself. That is just a cheap rhetorical trick applied to dismiss the discussion of the issues with someone considered inferior.

Oh, and I never said anything remotely like this:

….received fair and honorable treatment by the United States during it’s drive for manifesy destiny.

The losers of a war never do feel that way. The only society that has ever even attempted to treat the vanquished somewhat fairly? The US.