#103 dtmack

And I disagree with those who say our Countrymen can only be those who share a political history with us. We have many who have immigrated to this country who love and appreciate what we have here, who will be stouter defenders of same than many native borns.

I did not in any way mean to say that immigrants did not share the history. That is why I specifically mentioned the socialization process. Short form, it is the process wherein each generation [and for our purposes new, legal immigrants are becoming first generation Americans] learns and inculcates the morals, mores, and customs of a society [and it is not a linear process as there are always countervailing forces]. A legal immigrant JOB [Just Off the Boat] is frequently more socialized in our mores and history than someone raised in our school system. And is more willing to be further socialized than the native. With “and within the bounds of socialization [in the political science sense, not the sense of a Socialist Party], they must share a basic interpretation of that history.” that was the case I was thinking of. Immigrants tend to learn what I could call the Patriot version of our history, and assimilate it. There are few more fervent supporters of this country than immigrants, for they have already committed their lives, fortunes, and sacred honor by choosing to uproot and move here.

I apologize if I failed to make myself clear.

As far as the level of separation, and YMMV, I am thinking of the period 1775-1800. There were about 1/3 Tories here at the beginning if not more. As the conflict progressed, that percentage fell. From 1783-1800, about 1/3 of the shrunken number Tories remaining left the country, and the rest became ….. notably quiet … as far as politics were concerned. Being a Tory after 1783 had its consequences; be they social, economic, or … kinetic. It took a generation for the animosity to die down, and that was simply because the Tories themselves died out. Their descendents, in the main, did not have any loyalty to the mother country, and were socialized into the new civic model.

The Revolution was such a reset moment. And something as drastic and prolonged may be needed today and be in our future. Those who support TWANLOC today, and in the past, are going to have a very limited window for deciding where their loyalties are once we reach the tipping point. And indeed, so will those I denote as Patriots. For there is no guarantee, beyond faith, that “the good guys” will prevail. And I suspect that given the ideological heritage of TWANLOC, if they should win, those who can flee the country will be the fortunate ones. They will be called, “survivors”.

One thing I will guarantee. The history of the conflict will be written by those who prevail.

I think I will add a second guarantee. Those of us who comment here will be considered to have already chosen sides by TWANLOC.

Subotai Bahadur