Alexis @ 31:

I take Barack Hussein Obama’s Hawaiian birth certificate at face value;

WOW! That is NEWS! You are the only person that I have heard of outside of the Hawaiian gov’t and BHO himself that have actually seen it.

[snark off]

What you think you have seen that is a Birth Certificate is a Certificate of Live Birth, which is NOT THE SAME! Sorry, I rate that one FAIL, Alexis.

Alexis @ 36:

America must be something more than a negative sum competition for spoils where one side wins at the cost of all others. … We have real enemies who seek to destroy the United States of America. We must defeat them.

True, but the issue is that they have gained a foothold and a piece of the internal power game. When the Berlin Wall fell in 1989, the communists did not go away. It is more along the these lines – the wall kept them in, now they were free to roam the world and do their dirty work. Where else could have been an easier target than the inclusive US? Think about it. They are here and they have won. The coup was over at midnight Nov. 4th, 2008. Now all that is left is dividing the spoils. That seems to be the game that is afoot now. But first division must be sown, systems must be taken apart and the polity must be controlled. If you think of it in these terms and I do admit they did seem rather paranoid, then everything that has transpired since 1/20/09 makes sense. Ask ourself if any of what The 0bamanation has done makes sense if it is just a progrom of remaking the national structure. It does not. Only if you posit that there are nefarious other motives THEN it makes sharp sense. I struggled with it for months but I am now convinced.

And rememeber, just because Whiskey sounds slightly paranoid does not mean he does not have real enemies or that he may have a very cogent point or points. The AA construct is killing the US white male population as we ‘speak’. Over 80% of the jobs lost in this downturn are white males. THAT is certainly a telling demographic.

You also reference external enemies and I assume you mean the jihadis. They know that they cannot fight the US face on. Even if they try to come inside and fight they know they will be badly defeated and trigger reprisals the nature of which they DO NOT want to see.

The real issue is the internal enemies. They are here and working to fundamentally change the nature of the Republic. They may succeed at the end of the day, as it were. As long as they can keep us talking about minor distractions like Gates-Crowley-0bama then we are toast.

The House of the Rising Sun is ostensibly about a house of ill repute in NO. That says it all in this thread. The health care proposal just is haggling over the terms and price, there is not doubt about who is going to get screwed.