buddy @ 52: We may have another nation. One that exists under the radar. The one where the able and skilled hunt for their food and run small family gardens. Barter for other needs.

We could do this in the areas of the country away from the coasts and large population centers. Those areas are useless to the rest of us who are used to or have ever lived in the country. Hey, folks, we do not need you. Go find an old book called “Ecotopia”, scrub the deranged hippy ideas out of it and you have what I am talking about.