I like the arguments on this blog. I note that many other anti terrorist torture sites like Mark Shea Catholic and Enjoying It ban anyone that argues effectively against their point of view. When you post there, you need to agree with Mark very soon or you will be banned from any more comments.

For me, the school is still out on torture during war which we are currently fighting worldwide. According to Mark and his supporters, there is nothing worthwhile that you can obtain from torture. I used the same argument about the french resistance making rapid changes to their network when anyone was captured because no matter how brave, they would break and give up everything. If torture were not effective, it would have ended centuries ago.

Is it ethical in wartime? Is it OK if a city is saved from attack? It would seem if you can legally and morally protect your family from someone breaking in even to shooting them in their defense, then there has to be some argument about obtaining information in this war to save thousands of lives. But Mark Shea says no and if you try to reason why, you are banned. What does Mark fear in argument? why so timid on debate.