What I am saying is that the reason given for many of that 69 million voting for Obama is not rational, or reasonable from either a self interested POV.
It is rare to find examples of people voting against their self-interest. The most potent critics of farm subsidies, for example, rarely get elected from states where farming is one of the major industries. Given this fact of life, what evidence do you have that you’re a better judge of other people’s self interest than other people themselves?
I disagree strongly that it is due to any racist tendency on the part of the GOP.
I didn’t say it was due to GOP racism. But I did point out that when one party manages to do so horribly with all but one race over time their incentives will change in favor of racism.
I do not think it is me that wishes to make 1867 the base line today, especially given discussions of reparations that arises from time to time.
Discussions from whom? Some college professor that makes it onto Bill O’Reilly? Show me a serious reparations idea from a serious person and I’ll show you Obama’s support slipping.
So the question still is the relationship of the individual to the larger sum of individuals. What is in your best interest is not necessarily defined by the color of your skin, but manner in which you pursue happiness, how you define happiness. There are many reasons why black people have not assimilated or been allowed to assimilate into the larger stream of American society, a struggle that begins and ends with the bias associated with looking at the issue as the matter between you people or your people or my people, instead of a collection of individuals.
I think here you are missing the correct POV. Black people have every right to say why should we assimiliate? In many cases we were here before many whites. Would you tell members of the Mayflower Society that their problem is they aren’t assimiliating? What I think is happening with the ‘post-racial’ meme that coems with Obama is a moving beyond of race. Society is assimiliating with black culture as well as black culture is assimiliating with white. Among many younger people today the obsession with race appears rather silly. This is a bit ancedotal but I’ve noticed that very little Obama support seems to center around race but a lot of anti-Obamaites are posititvely obsessed with race.
If the appeal of the Democratic party is an appeal to black people, or brown people based on a patronage system that favors unproductive behavior, how is it racist to oppose such thinking? I am guilty then, I make no protestation of innocence. That I want you as a person to do better than your perceived race, or even my perceived race, because it is in my and your interest, I am guilty.
Not seeing it man, not seeing it. I don’t see the election of Obama as either motivated by or in support of a ‘black/brown patronage system’. But you miss the point about the failure of your rhetoric so I’ll say it again. Telling people that they are stupid, that they are easily led astray, that they are essentially fools and should therefore buy your product because you know what’s best for them is highly unlikely to win you many converts.
BTW,McCain’s campaign would be correct, from a privacy rights pov, to deny you your personal copy, but demonstrations of the ability to make a copy of that list to proper authority should suffice.
Has the FEC found that Obama is in violation of any campaign rule or regulation? If so please provide the link, if not then he is not. From a privacy rights POV the FEC is only a proper authority if it has regulations requiring the collection of such data and requires the submission of such data. If the FEC has not requested it, then, I’m still at a loss for what you’re complaining about. And when and where has the McCain campaign ‘demonstrated’ that they could make a copy to the proper authority?
