cjm wrote:

“why would anyone ascribe rational or honset intentions to the grren party or its members? that in itself is irrational. they are after political power for the hard left, end of story.”

I don’t believe that I nor Slade ascribed rational motives. If anything, we made a point about unintended consequences. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Even habitual liars sometimes say true things, and observing them can reveal some truths.

There are always lessons to be learned from your opponents. Frequently they can become a source of useful arguments or enlightening chains of thought, if they lead you to different conclusions.