@John Samford
“I have heard this and while I don’t know if it’s true, I do think it’s accurate.
I consider the CIA to be a rogue agency, one that needs to be put down.”
I could not agree with you more.
“Moving it from a cabinet level bureaucracy to a branch on the Homeland security tree was a good thing….IF the Secretary of Homeland security keeps his eye on the ball.”
Personally I think HLS is bureaucratic nightmare who’s bad far out way its good.
“I think that a small group of CIA people are aiding Al Qaeda.”
Unfortunately it appears that is a very real possibility.
I have often tried to justify some of their actions by considering that when you get into such dark dealings as espionage you have to realize that some agents are merely pawns who may be giving aid only to build trust with the enemy and in some situations may even have to give up valuable state secretes (secretly with permission) in order to appear as though they can be trusted by the enemy (instead of double agents they are triple agents).
Its a dirty business what they do and I hate trying to justify much of their acts. Maybe I should face the facts and stop trying to explain actions that seem clearly to be inexcusable.
It is much simpler to just recognize that like you said there is “a rouge element” and when applying occam’s razor it does seem to fit much better than the elabrit explanations I have had to give so as to justify what the CIA have and in some cases haven’t done.
“I think that Osama is being hidden by them and the cave in Pakistan is a hoax.”
I have read so many reports and listened to so many different intelligence annalists that I have no idea anymore. I unfortunately have to admit (as much as I hate to) that what you suggest seems quite possible….actually makes more since.
“The CIA didn’t intend for 9-11 to happen, but it did.”
I think they intended to wait and gain as much intelligence as possible so as to be Americas savior at just the last minute with only little damage and little loss of life. But they were double crossed (some of which was irrefutably buy Saudi Arabia) and 9/11 spiraled out of control to were it became impossible to stop.
I am absolutely convinced that we were set up by the Saudis. They placed us in such an embarrassing position that we had to protect those most responsible (the Saudis) in order to protect the county from the public out cry that would have happened if the true cause of the intelligence failures came to light.
For example The FBI’s testimony before the 9/11 Commission revealed that the largest overseas money transfer the terrorists received had come from the UAE, for $70,000 to Mohamed Atta but the FBI didn’t point out to the Commission the significance of the address where the money was wired to: 201 Nokomis in Venice, the address of the Kwik-Check owned by “Makram Chams” a consultant for an American defense contractor and an FBI informant. The Kwik-Check was where many of the alleged hijackers and even Zacharias Moussaoui would visit according witnesses for the FBI.
(The $70,000 wire transfer receipt was shown during the 9/11 commission’s 12 public hearing. The video can be found by clicking the panel 2 statement on Wednesday, June 16, 2004. 38:40 into the clip.) http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/archive/hearing12/index.htm
Also according to the FBI Atta and his fellow terrorists also availed themselves of a second floor apartment Chams rented in a building across the street from the convenience store. The apartment was occupied by his sister, May Chams, and her husband, an Indian Muslim named “Khal” who disappeared from Venice in the aftermath of the 9/11 attack.
Even Zacharias Moussaoui, whose presence in Venice, was confirmed was seen at Chams’ apartment and according to witnesses like Local Venice Yellow Cab driver Bob Simpson (whose testimony about Atta’s local associates was used by the FBI to apprehend a half-dozen Saudi nationals in Venice after the attack) says he picked up Mohamed Atta and his bodyguard Marwan at the apartment in his cab on several occasions, and taken them to the Orlando Airport.
The defense contractor—convenience store owner—FBI informant (Makram Chams) who abandoned the mini-market on 9/11 (it has stood vacant since) now works in Saudi Arabia where he landed a $5 million contract in Riyadh for Surebeam with the Saudi Bin Laden Group.
(You see that Titan reported that Makram Chams had filed a $21 million lawsuit against them in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia for work he did just before 9/11 while he owned the Kwik Check store located at 201 Nokomis in Venice, that he abandoned on 9/11 after having been wired the largest overseas money transfer the terrorists received (according to the FBI).
http://sec.edgar-online.com/2005/11/23/0000950136-05-007545/Section25.asp
He has since been paid by Titan.)
Chams received a six-figure payout from Surebeam which, in the aftermath of the anthrax scare, (the most devastating and horrific biological attack against the US in the history of its existence), had been the lucky recipient of a big windfall (of your tax dollars) from the U.S. Post Office.
Surebeam announced in a press release that the post office “would use Surebeam’s electron beam systems to eliminate the threat of anthrax in the U.S. mail system.”
Despite there being not the slightest hint of scientific evidence that the company could perform as advertised, the firm was awarded a $40 million contract to set up machines to detect and kill anthrax spores. Don’t you feel safe knowing that the bin ladens received your tax dollars to protect you from a biological attack?
The consultant for the defense contractor–convenience store owner–FBI informant was also partners with terror flight school owner Wally Hilliard whom owned a casino boat.
A casino boat that some of the hijackers had been identified as having visited owned also by Jack Abramoff.
Jack Abramoff whom owned the casino boat with terrorist flight instructor Wally Hilliard and his terrorist befriending partner Makram Chams was also a Tom Delay appointee and was the CEO of the firm that claims to specialize in counter-terrorism called Surebeam! The same Surbeam that paid Makram Chams $5 million for landing contract in Riyadh with the Saudi Bin Laden Group.
Guess what the address was for Surbeam (it has since gone bankrupt in part for their failed machines that could not do what they claimed)?
If you guessed at the Venice Airport in a hangar owned by terror flight school Huffman Aviation the very same address the hijackers trained at then your correct.
And thats not the only company that listed the terrorist flight school’s address another company that also specialized in counter-terrorism called Skyway used it AT THE SAME TIME.
And SkyWays planes are panted so as to EXACTLY impersonate official U.S. Government aircraft from the Dept of Homeland Security, complete with an official-looking Seal.
How do I know? Because SkyWay’s DC9 (N900SA) caught carrying 5.5 tons of dope destined for the U.S. at an airport in Ciudad del Carmen.
James Kent (President of SkyWay) had been involved with Air America working for the CIA in Vietnam and so was the very same plane DC9 (N900SA) which according to congressional records was also involved in the Iran Contra drug/weapon running.
But according to SkyWay SEC filings, Kent “served in various government contract management positions supporting projects of the Department of Defense, National Security Agency, and Department of the Navy.” http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:fSlGEbKkX64J:sec.edgar-online.com/2003/06/03/0001213900-03-000046/Section3.asp+%22jim+kent%22+AND+National+Security+Agency&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1
As far as the drugs go maybe that was why the DEA were secretly conducting an investigation of drug smuggling from the same apartment building that Atta was staying at which was located right by the flight school.
The same month after Mohamed Atta arrived to attend his flight school in Venice, Huffman Aviation, the owner of that flight school, Wallace J. Hilliard, had his Lear jet (N351WB) confiscated on a runway at Orlando Executive Airport by DEA agents who found 43 pounds of Bin Laden’s best uncut Al Qaeda heroin on board. (It was, said the Orlando Sentinel, the “biggest drug bust in Central Florida history”)
That jet that belonged to terror flight school owner Wally Hilliard’s company Lear (N351WB) was leased to Jeb Bush (who was intentionally placed in a compromising position) for FREE. (It has since been used for rendition flights)
And speaking of free, the pilot and every one else got off scot-free just as they did in the DC9 (N900SA) caught carrying 5.5 tons of dope that was painted to impersonate official U.S. Government aircraft from the Dept of Homeland Security.
I guess if you you the address of the terror flight school then you have a green light to ship drugs.
Sibel says:
“For years and years, information and evidence being collected by the counterintelligence operations of certain U.S. intelligence and law enforcement agencies has been prevented from being transferred to criminal and narcotics divisions, and from being shared with the Drug Enforcement Agency and others with prosecutorial power. Those with direct knowledge have been prevented from making this information available and public by various gag orders and invocation of the State Secrets Privilege. Why?”
Some of the wiretaps relate to drug trafficking, some relate to the nuclear black market and other weapons trafficking, and some refer to terrorist activity – including 9/11.
Sibel says:
“The Department of State is easily the most corrupted of the major government agencies….
In some cases where the FBI stumbles upon evidence of high-level officials being involved in drug-smuggling, they’re even prevented from sharing it with the DEA [Drug Enforcement Agency]. The Department of State just comes in and says, “Leave it.””
Sibel Edmonds said;
“Essentially, there is only one investigation, a very big one, an all-inclusive one… But I can tell you there are a lot of people involved, a lot of ranking officials, and a lot of illegal activities that include multi-billion-dollar drug-smuggling operations, black-market nuclear sales to terrorists and unsavory regimes, you name it… You can start from the AIPAC angle. You can start from the Plame case. You can start from my case. They all end up going to the same place, and they revolve around the same nucleus of people.”
Afghanistan supplies almost 90% of the world’s heroin, and most of that goes straight to Turkey where it is processed, packaged, warehoused, and then re-exported to other countries for final consumption. Turkey supplies approximately 80% of Europe’s heroin, and 15% of heroin in the US – worth approximately $40 billion at street prices.
Heroin trafficking is also the main source of funding for the al-Qaeda terrorists. A Time Magazine article reported that al-Qaeda has established a smuggling network that is peddling Afghan heroin to buyers across the Middle East, Asia, and Europe, and in turn is using the drug revenues to purchase weapons and explosives.
Maybe the funding of the 9/11 operation should be looked at rather than ignored. And Saudi people need to be liberated and their oil made secure so that its revenue can be used to repay the damages caused by the crime committed by the Saudi Government on 9/11.
