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The Misfortunes of War

March 28th, 2014 - 8:49 pm

The New York Times reports an epic case of knocking on the wrong door:

KABUL, Afghanistan — The Taliban assailants apparently thought they were attacking an unprotected Christian-run day care center. But they mistakenly burst into the compound next door, where an American government contractor’s employees were heavily armed and ready, according to accounts that the contractor and the Afghan police gave on Friday of a wild four-hour shootout here.

Don’t you hate it when that happens?

The residents in the group’s house included the two Americans and an Australian, a Malaysian and a South African, who was the group’s security adviser. The group runs agricultural and demining programs in Afghanistan, as well as in Israel, Croatia and Vietnam.

A spokesman for the Taliban, Zabiullah Mujahid, reached by telephone while the attack was under way, said the target had been “a church used to convert Muslims to Christianity.”

Mujahid said the Taliban had intelligence that the suspected underground church was celebrating its anniversary in Kabul, and the insurgents timed their attack to what they thought was that celebration.

There are no known churches in Afghanistan, where the practice of Christianity is outlawed and conversion of Muslims is a crime. Aid groups supported by Christian groups abroad have in the past been accused of being missionaries, and two were expelled by Afghanistan in 2010.

Sometimes things don’t work out as planned.

It’s a reminder that Murphy is alive and well in this world. Reality is complex and nonlinear, however good your Five Year Plan and “let’s raid the day care center” operation might be. Surprises are part of life. Helmut von Moltke once said “no plan of operations extends with certainty beyond the first encounter with the enemy’s main strength”.

Well I guess that’s true.


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I used to carry with me a copy of the New Yorker from February, 2003. I did this because in that issue they argued with the reasons behind the attack on Iraq - all 19 reasons for justifying the attack, and would hold it up when ever I heard lunatics from the left chant, "Bush lied, people died" to remind them that there were 19 reasons we went in, not just one.

Personally, I think Saddam had WMD, which wound up in Syria, but even if you disagreed with that, you could't disagree that we went to war against Saddam for a lot of reasons. Folks like Bernard Lewis, all thought there was the potential for establishing democracy there to counter the jihadies. But, to remind lefties of this, they stick their fingers in their ears and try to shout you down screeching "Bush lied, people died."

The world is really in a far more dangerous spot right now and the left, democrats and MSM have placed us here. Like master Wormtongue, they have been whispering in the country's ear that everything is alright. The real danger comes from Christians and the tea party.Not Iran seeking nukes or militant Islam.
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For many if not most people mental shortcuts are the norm. Once they have a socially accepted template things become much simpler. Think of it as being like the Civil Law system. There are categories or precedents for dealing with a problem and once they are set then everything becomes a matter of finding the correct pigeon hole to put your problem in and there you will find the answer.

One major shortcut used is the credible authority standard. If an accepted source says it it must be true, and even more important if a rejected source says something then it must be false.

After 9-11 Ann Coulter said "...we should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity." That position meets with reflexive rejection from not only the Left, where the doctrine is that any Western values based alternative to a hostile culture is to be rejected, but also it is rejected by the claiming not to be on the Left but Libertarian Conservatives who prefer Isolationism. Neither do the interventionist argument the courtesy of examining it. Now I am not a Christian but the point of recognizing there is a problem and considering how to change the conditions that produce that problem merits discussion.

Is the best reaction to the threat ignoring it and letting it fester? Is the best answer the expectation that at some time in response to some outrage we may or might respond by simply exterminating million or tens of millions or hundreds of millions of human beings? How does the belief that we would do so fit with a sustained policy of reducing our military power and eliminating our nuclear arsenal?

Another pair of interventionists whose policies can be rejected without bothering to examine them were Bush and Cheney. The mention of their names is intended to end an argument and not invite further consideration. For all the screaming and brow beating and slander there has been almost no analysis of what the American policy in response to 9-11 was intended to achieve and whether a sustained commitment to such a policy could produce conditions that are more desirable.
21 weeks ago
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This is a fascinating story for me, for multiple reasons. Not that it anything really new.

First, that a decade-plus years after the 9/11 attack the same sort of thing is still going on. That is, muslims haven't learned- or I should rather say- still haven't been taught the lesson that attacking Westerners is a bad idea.

Second, that Westerners still haven't figured out that attempting to help muslims will eventually result in muslims killing or attempting to kill you, more often than not.

Third, that the 9/11 attack still has hasn't risen to the sort of existential crisis for the Western World that World War II became, because no real effort has ever been made to defeat and reform the society that attacked us.

I think everyone has essentially resumed thinking the same sort of thoughts that they would have had, absent that attack. Western aid workers still go to Afghanistan, to do nice things for the people who hate them and want to kill them.

Unfortunate, all that is. Because the same ideological forces that inspired the 9/11 attack are still there, essentially untouched. Sooner or later, there will be a sequel to the 9/11 attack.

Odds are it will far more destructive than the original attack if only because the attackers will have learned from experience. And then the other shoe will drop, resulting in the sort of phase-change mental re-evaluation that should have happened on September 12, 2001.

Pretty, it won't be.



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Giant headline at the top of CNN Frontpage:
"Malaysian official gives families sliver of hope"

Not found: Any stories about MSM's general failure to cover all the recent corruption busts, or if covered, the UNIVERSAL lack of including the word "Democrat" in the Head, Sub Head, or first paragraph...

Nor anything about Obama's failed policies, Holder's corruption, etc. but checking Drudge, it's the 5.1 in LA, then a link to "Time" featuring Colbert's plight and possible canceling for his "Blatantly Racist"
"“I’m willing to show the #Asian community I care by introducing the Ching-Chong Ding-Dong Foundation for Sensitivity to Orientals or Whatever.”"
Tweet.

Never enjoyed much of the less than 30 minutes I've seen of Colbert, but amazed that we've fallen this far.
No doubt if I was a Celebrity and they "retweeted" my comments here about
Shrimp Boy Chow and Mr. Yee, I'd be out on my butt forthwith, also.

The Society of the Offended Mass's Asses.
21 weeks ago
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Edit was going to include this under the "sliver of hope" Head:
Top Video: "First Look at Objects Found",

...but I was counted out even though the Timer showed only 3 minutes.
Such is Life.
21 weeks ago
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"The problem isn’t that we can’t take a joke. The problem is that white comedians and their fans believe they are above reproach."

http://content.time.com/time/video/player/0,32068,2330335920001_2142109,00.html?iid=tabvidrecirc

I was listening to this "White Dude" last night.
Didn't know 'til then Juan's son was a Conservative.
(Another son worked for Strom Thurmond!)

"Juan Williams and Son Blast Liberal ‘Uncle Tom’ Treatment of Black Conservatives"

RNC staffer Raffi Williams got some unwanted attention this week after an EBONY magazine editor mocked him on Twitter and called him a “white dude,” even though Williams is black. RNC Chairman Reince Priebus demanded an apology, and he got one. But on Fox & Friends Saturday, Williams (along with his father Juan Williams) took on the liberal bashing of people of color who just happen to hold conservative political views.

Raffi Williams told Tucker Carlson he was encouraged by all the conservative support he got after the EBONY editor attacked him, while his dad went off on the treatment black conservatives get when they don’t fall in line with liberal ideology.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/juan-williams-and-son-blast-liberal-uncle-tom-treatment-of-black-conservatives/
(show less)
21 weeks ago
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Mike Tyson was pithier: "Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth".
21 weeks ago
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Hah. The feel-good story of the week.
21 weeks ago
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Shivermetimbers: "... there were 19 reasons we went in [to Iraq], not just one."

The Bush Administration's big mistake was not conscripting every lawyer in the US and have them lead the charge against Saddam's forces. The "19 reasons" were just another example of lawyers letting the President (and the US) down.

In what passes for the US justice system these days, lawyers lover to throw the book at the target. If the jury acquits on the murder charge and the manslaughter charge and the aggravated assault charge, we will at least get the bum on tax evasion or jay walking. It might be good "law", but it is really bad politics.

As President Bush found out, a lawyer wins when he can make one charge out of 19 stick; a statesman loses when one charge out of 19 is debatable.

President Bush should have made his one charge the undeniable assertion that Saddam had repeatedly flouted UN dictates. If the UN had gone along with ousting Saddam -- great! If the UN had decided that it didn't matter when a dictator thumbed his nose at them, Bush should have pulled the US out of a patently worthless UN. Either way, he would have been a winner.
21 weeks ago
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Obviously there was a terrible mistake made here.

Sen Patty Murray (D, Nutjob) said that while we were running around blowing things up, OBL was out building day care centers.

No doubt the Taliban just wanted to ensure that day care center was simply being run in accordance with proper principles. They probably were going to do an OSHA inspection, make sure that Common Core was being implemented, that the workers were unionized and that there were no foods with trans-fats being served to the toddlers.

They simply brought weapons along as part of a show and tell to explain to the young'uns what they should never touch if they happen on a gun that was not secured.

And I certainly hope the U.N. will investigate why armed men were working on a regular basis within 500 ft of a day care center.
21 weeks ago
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I keep saying, get hold of Pizza Hut's delivery guys before doing a dynamic entry. They never go to the wrong address.
Gonna happen here, sooner or later.
21 weeks ago
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Happens on average about twice per month in most urban areas of the U.S.
You just don't see it in the media unless the homeowner shoots back or the family pet is killed...
21 weeks ago
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Day care center? That means small children were the target of this attack by these animals. I am not surprised by any of this, nor that the left would look at them as kindred spirits. Look at Bernadine Dohrn's 'dig it' comment when she learnt of Sharon Tate's pleading for her child's life as they were both brutally murdered by the Manson klan.

They are enemies of humanity. But in this crazy country, we on the right are the ones considered evil.
21 weeks ago
21 weeks ago Link To Comment
For many if not most people mental shortcuts are the norm. Once they have a socially accepted template things become much simpler. Think of it as being like the Civil Law system. There are categories or precedents for dealing with a problem and once they are set then everything becomes a matter of finding the correct pigeon hole to put your problem in and there you will find the answer.

One major shortcut used is the credible authority standard. If an accepted source says it it must be true, and even more important if a rejected source says something then it must be false.

After 9-11 Ann Coulter said "...we should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity." That position meets with reflexive rejection from not only the Left, where the doctrine is that any Western values based alternative to a hostile culture is to be rejected, but also it is rejected by the claiming not to be on the Left but Libertarian Conservatives who prefer Isolationism. Neither do the interventionist argument the courtesy of examining it. Now I am not a Christian but the point of recognizing there is a problem and considering how to change the conditions that produce that problem merits discussion.

Is the best reaction to the threat ignoring it and letting it fester? Is the best answer the expectation that at some time in response to some outrage we may or might respond by simply exterminating million or tens of millions or hundreds of millions of human beings? How does the belief that we would do so fit with a sustained policy of reducing our military power and eliminating our nuclear arsenal?

Another pair of interventionists whose policies can be rejected without bothering to examine them were Bush and Cheney. The mention of their names is intended to end an argument and not invite further consideration. For all the screaming and brow beating and slander there has been almost no analysis of what the American policy in response to 9-11 was intended to achieve and whether a sustained commitment to such a policy could produce conditions that are more desirable.
21 weeks ago
21 weeks ago Link To Comment
I used to carry with me a copy of the New Yorker from February, 2003. I did this because in that issue they argued with the reasons behind the attack on Iraq - all 19 reasons for justifying the attack, and would hold it up when ever I heard lunatics from the left chant, "Bush lied, people died" to remind them that there were 19 reasons we went in, not just one.

Personally, I think Saddam had WMD, which wound up in Syria, but even if you disagreed with that, you could't disagree that we went to war against Saddam for a lot of reasons. Folks like Bernard Lewis, all thought there was the potential for establishing democracy there to counter the jihadies. But, to remind lefties of this, they stick their fingers in their ears and try to shout you down screeching "Bush lied, people died."

The world is really in a far more dangerous spot right now and the left, democrats and MSM have placed us here. Like master Wormtongue, they have been whispering in the country's ear that everything is alright. The real danger comes from Christians and the tea party.Not Iran seeking nukes or militant Islam.
21 weeks ago
21 weeks ago Link To Comment
I not sure I understand your juxtaposition of the Bush lied; lie and "the real danger comes from Christians and the tea party."
21 weeks ago
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Didn't Churchill say something about gunfire sharpening the mind, depending on whom was being fired upon?

We can only hope that CNN will have access soon to the lone Malaysian just in case he might have had a sudden insight concerning the fate of Flight 370.
21 weeks ago
21 weeks ago Link To Comment
This is a fascinating story for me, for multiple reasons. Not that it anything really new.

First, that a decade-plus years after the 9/11 attack the same sort of thing is still going on. That is, muslims haven't learned- or I should rather say- still haven't been taught the lesson that attacking Westerners is a bad idea.

Second, that Westerners still haven't figured out that attempting to help muslims will eventually result in muslims killing or attempting to kill you, more often than not.

Third, that the 9/11 attack still has hasn't risen to the sort of existential crisis for the Western World that World War II became, because no real effort has ever been made to defeat and reform the society that attacked us.

I think everyone has essentially resumed thinking the same sort of thoughts that they would have had, absent that attack. Western aid workers still go to Afghanistan, to do nice things for the people who hate them and want to kill them.

Unfortunate, all that is. Because the same ideological forces that inspired the 9/11 attack are still there, essentially untouched. Sooner or later, there will be a sequel to the 9/11 attack.

Odds are it will far more destructive than the original attack if only because the attackers will have learned from experience. And then the other shoe will drop, resulting in the sort of phase-change mental re-evaluation that should have happened on September 12, 2001.

Pretty, it won't be.



21 weeks ago
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Your post spurred multiple thought threads for me.

"That is, muslims haven't learned- or I should rather say- still haven't been taught the lesson that attacking Westerners is a bad idea." That's because;
First, we didn't do total war on them; we are allies with some, and pay billion$ to others. Why is this?

"that Westerners still haven't figured out that attempting to help muslims will eventually result in muslims killing or attempting to kill you, more often than not."
Second, it's not Westerners, it's progressive globalist governments, N,E,S, and W.

"Because the same ideological forces that inspired the 9/11 attack are still there, essentially untouched."
Third; it's not ideology that drives the "forces", it's a death and hate cult with no kinship to a religion, much less an ideological manifesto.

Me and mine have no delusions nor did we when 9-11-01 transpired. We know all muslims hate us. We know there are no moderate muslims if they follow the teachings of the Koran. We know they will murder us when ordered to or they will be murdered themselves.

The only solution is the Genghis Khan one. Spare only those children that are as tall as a wagon wheel, release all the others to their master.
21 weeks ago
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On the road to the Three Conjectures! More exciting than "On The Road to Mandalay"!
21 weeks ago
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What was Obama saying about nukes in Manhattan?
21 weeks ago
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As you know, the Society, Culture and Government on which events impact now, vs 1941, are in different leagues, entirely.

The US alone produced 324,750 aircraft, of which nearly 100,000 were fighters and 100,000 bombers.

22 Carriers 8 Battleships 48 Crusisers 349 Destroyers 203 Subs

830 Barrels of crude, more than 3 times the rest of the World combined!

Pre-Modern Feminist woman in WWII: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/WomanFactory1940s.jpg/1160px-WomanFactory1940s.jpg

Propaganda that was actually on our side (compare with today's MSM)

Schools, News, Pop "Culture" on and on... (Let's not forget political "Leaders")

Who knows? All I know is that my memories of the first 5 hours of my family's life on 9-11 will still be vivid in my mind on my dying day.
21 weeks ago
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"of at least the first 5 hours"
21 weeks ago
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In short, our society needs almost as much reform as the ROP's does.
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