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As unrest begins to spread across the Middle East, the news is starting to focus on oil. Some sample headlines are: the start of a civil war in Libya has sharply increased oil prices in Europe. Oil prices surge in Asia as Libyan tensions escalate. “The main driver is really the unrest in the Middle East,” said Victor Shum, senior principal for Purvin and Gertz energy consultants in Singapore.”
He added that fresh violence in Organisation of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) member state Libya was igniting fears of instability spreading throughout the key oil-supplying Middle Eastern and North African region.
Although the troubles in Libya have grabbed the headlines, its effects on production are limited. Analysts are more worried that the troubles in Bahrain may spread to Saudi Arabia. “Protests in Bahrain, provoked by discontent among the majority-Shiite Muslim population, have sparked concern violence will spread to neighboring Saudi Arabia, which holds one-fifth of the world’s oil. Saudi Arabia has a Shiite minority concentrated in its eastern oil-producing hub.”
Despite the looming threats to oil supply, the administration has remained steadfastly opposed to offshore drilling. U.S. Sen. David Vitter says he remains frustrated at the inability to resume drilling in the Gulf. “Eight months after the Deepwater explosion, there’s still not a single, not a single, deepwater exploratory permit that’s been issued.”
Vitter said the net result is that although the Obama administration did officially lift the ban on deep-water drilling, federal officials are still effectively keeping a lid on it. “This is a shutdown, this is a defacto moratorium. We’re all feeling it along the coast, and in our Louisiana economy,” Vitter said.
A sudden reduction in global oil supplies would lay bare the entire rotten edifice of Western wishful thinking which neither carbon trading nor Green Energy could substantially ameliorate. Lawrence Solomon at the Financial Post believes that a combination of suicidal energy policies and diplomatic fecklessness have destroyed the West’s ability to respond to a sudden disruption in supply which would in any case be far worse than that of 1979.
Where once the West could count on most of the Middle East’s oil exporters to rally to its support in times of crisis, today the West can count on none. Where once all in the Middle East understood that American military power would keep the sea lanes open at all costs, today most in the Middle East see the U.S. as a declining, largely impotent power. When the next oil crisis hits, the West will no longer be able to count on the co-operation of Middle East nations to limit anarchy in oil markets and economic convulsions at home.
In that scenario, President Obama could neither talk nor produce his way out of trouble. But even if the West could induce its allies to boost production, their ability to fill in for one or more oil-producing nations knocked offline is smaller than it used to be. MSNBC writes “a big issue for the oil market is whether OPEC has sufficient spare capacity to bring to the market in the event of a material supply disruption. The International Energy Agency estimates OPEC’s spare capacity fell in December below the 5 million barrels a day for the first time in two years.” An Oil Drum post argues that OPEC’s stated reserves are significantly below their stated value. A separate post examined the question of Saudi reserves in the face of production data that has been in actual decline.
The rest of the Middle East claims huge reserves, too, but looking at the Mideast in total doesn’t give a much more favorable picture. While production is a bit higher in total now, exports (in green) are down from the 1970s because of rising consumption.
If energy prices go up, what happens next? For one they would probably drive up food prices which would in turn lead to more unrest. Steven Erlanger of the New York Times writes that “higher crude prices could lead to further increases in food prices. The high cost of food has already led to unrest in several countries, even before political revolts began in the Middle East.” That specter was raised by no less than Mohammer Khadaffi’s son, who argued that civil war could destroy the oil infrastructure, which in turn would starve everybody.
We will have a civil war like in 1936. American Oil Companies played a big part in unifying Libya. Who will manage this oil? How will we divide this oil amongst us? Who will spend on our hospitals? All this oil will be burnt by the Baltagiya (Thugs) they will burn it. There are no people there. 3/4s of our people live in the East in Benghazi, there is no oil there, who will spend on them? Your children will not go to schools or universities. There will be chaos, we will have to leave Libya if we can’t share oil. Everyone wants to become a Sheikh and an Emir, we are not Egypt or Tunisia so we are in front of a major challenge.
Just how serious things have become is expressed in the young Khadaffi’s plaintive message: how can we live without the despicable and hated infidel, without whom we would have no oil, remain disunited and cut our own throats? But that will not stop them from doing it anyway, because in the next breath Khadaffi vowed to fight to the end. Bloomberg reports that other governments plan to subsidize food prices in an act of self-preservation. “Governments worldwide will increase their role in global food markets and may boost stockpiles and subsidies or impose trade curbs to head off the protests that have rippled through the Middle East, commodity traders said.” They will try to appease the masses with bread in order to avoid being fed to the lions at circuses. They will also have to subsidize locally consumed fuel. How will they pay for it? Probably by passing on the costs to the despicable infidel without whom they would starve or cut their own throats. After yelling ‘come back, Shane, come back’, the next cry is ‘pay more, Shane, pay more’.
That would knock the props out from under any “economic recovery” the West has planned but it would be nothing so bad as the misery that would descend on the Middle East. A period of easy money made it possible for the population to rise dramatically. That period is now coming to a close. Reality, long banished to the sidelines, is coming back to center stage. Now the youthful population is about to see the rug pulled out from under them just as they reach an age when they need a job. There’s a risk that an entire generation can grow from adolescence to adulthood without becoming economically productive.
The MERIA Journal says that after a long period of explosive growth, population increases in the Middle East are beginning to stabilize. This has created a window of opportunity in which a temporarily youthful population can build up their societies without bearing the crushing burden of a large aging population. But if the region misses this window, it bodes ill for the future. And there’s every chance the window will be missed.
A destructive cycle has set in whereby young people are prepared to wait unemployed for years in hopes of securing a public sector job at higher wages and more security than available in private firms; in response to students’ dreams of public sector jobs, the education system has become oriented to preparing bureaucrats rather than providing the skills needed by the private sector, with the result being that private employers place little value on education credentials and so offer graduates lower wages than they feel they deserve. The upshot is substantial youth unemployment, pressure on governments to hire people needlessly, youth with training inappropriate for the needs of the labor market, and private firms unable to find locals with adequate skills for the high wages they expect. This problem occurs across the region outside Israel, not just in oil-rich countries but also in such poor countries as Egypt.
Waiting unemployed for years in hopes of securing a public sector job? It almost sounds like Hope and Change.
But the current wave of unrest may simply be the leading edge of a much larger tsunami. What happens when vast numbers of people grow up without any prospects? The doomed youth of the Middle East can still export trouble, already the principal commodity of failed states like North Korea, the world leader in international blackmail. The prospect that hundreds of millions of people may find themselves in a future sans, jobs, sans oil and sans food and flush with nukes is a frightening one indeed. The challenges facing the region, which have only been highlighted by the recent unrest, underscore how vital it was to have conducted a sustained drive to reform the region. As it turns out, the main problem confronting the Middle East was not Israel, but the Middle East itself. As Saif Khadaffi said after extolling the central role of oil:
We all now have arms. At this time drunks are driving tanks in central Benghazi. So we all now have weapons. The powers who want to destroy Libya have weapons. There will be a war & no future. All the firms will leave, we have 500 housing units being built, they won’t be completed. Remember my words. 200 billion dollars of projects are now underway, they won’t be finished.
You can say we want democracy & rights, we can talk about it, we should have talked about it before. It’s this or war. Instead of crying over 200 deaths we will cry over 100,000s of deaths. You will all leave Libya, there will be nothing here. There will be no bread in Libya, it will be more expensive than gold.
Niall Ferguson remarked that the Fall of the Berlin Wall was fundamentally different from the collapse now pushing over regimes across the region because in the case of Eastern Europe, the US had been supporting the principal opposition groups for decades. Reagan was ready to reap the harvest because he had sowed the seed. President Obama’s take-the-credit-for-whatever-happens approach bids fair instead to reap the whirlwind. What happens next is anybody’s guess, but it is fairly certain to be beyond the powers of mere public relations or a teleprompter.
BTW, one our Belmont Club stalwarts, Leo Linbeck III is going to be interviewed by Dennis Prager on Monday, 2 pm Eastern. He may be discussing an important new development in the state’s response to Obamacare. Don’t miss it.
Leo’s interview has been postponed. I will keep people posted.
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According to Debka (grain of salt, etc.), as a result of the rapid escalation of events in Libya (aka elections, Libyan style?), the US and Europe are preparing to evacuate foreigners.
This likely includes oil field personnel.
Unless there are enough indigenous Libyans to man the installations (anyone want to take bets on that?) or enough technicians who stay put, Libyan oil production will be affected, um, shall we say, “adversely”?
The (short-term, at least) ramifications should be pretty obvious.
And pressure on Obama to drill will become thunderous (though keep in mind, dear Reader, that as far as the current administration is concerned, it seems that the worse it gets, the better it gets).
(Not to worry, overly, though, as pressure on Israel not to construct buildings where they’re supposedly not supposed to will continue to be relentless.)
File under: House of cards?
What’s happening in the M.E., particularly now Libya has erupted, makes a mockery of the UN and its tendency to place countries like Libya on Human Rights panels. But that’s no surprise. In the midst of this widespread rejection (by their own people) of the way things have been done in the Arab states for decades, the UN can think of nothing better to do than another (and there have been too many already) resolution critical of a properly democratic, truly creative, hard working, multi-ethnic state – called Israel.
Iranian history still hangs heavily over the whole scene. While the changes wrought by protests can be remarkably quick in some cases, the ultimate results might look more grim in two years time. We’ll have to hope that the democratic flowering doesn’t dissolve into one man, one vote, one time – followed by islamist takeover a la Iran, or the more “stealth” model as per Turkey.
Clashes In Tripoli
Emerging reports early Feb. 21 indicate the unrest in Libya is spreading from eastern Libya to the capital of Tripoli. According to initial reports, heavy gunfire was heard in central Tripoli and in other districts with Al Jazeera reporting 61 people killed in Tripoli on Feb. 21. Other unconfirmed reports say that protesters attacked the headquarters of Al-Jamahiriya Two television and Al-Shababia as well as other government buildings in Tripoli overnight. According to Saudi-owned al-Arabiya, the government-owned People’s Conference Centre where the General People’s Congress (parliament) meets when it is in session in Tripoli was set on fire. U.K. energy firm British Petroleum reportedly said it would evacuate its personnel from Libya and suspend its activities due to massive unrest. Spain’s Foreign Minister Trinidad Jimenez said on Feb. 21 that the EU member states are coordinating possible evacuations of European nationals from Libya. A Turkish Airlines flight was arranged to evacuate Turkish citizens from Benghazi but was denied the opportunity to land by Libyan authorities and returned to Turkey.
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How the Heck did Larsen make the frontpage of Drudge?
When the Poesti fields were destroyed Germany fueled it’s war machine with synthetic oil from coal. This technology is almost 70yrs old. IIRC synthetic oil in the US is profitable if oil remains over $70/bbl. America could be completely oil independent using coal alone – if it had the will. Not to mention all the new oil discoveries in North America. There are very few problems in this world, that after 5 minutes of thought, I can’t blame on leftists.
A weak-kneed US President leads to a weak and unstable economy world wide.
I see the Great 0bama Train wreck continuing until he quivers out of office. The sooner he leaves the better.
UPDATE: Leo’s interview at Dennis Prager has been postponed.
Wretchard said…
“BTW, one our Belmont Club stalwarts, Leo Linbeck III is going to be interviewed by Dennis Prager on Monday, 2 pm Eastern. He may be discussing an important new development in the state’s response to Obamacare. Don’t miss it.”
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Is it not ironic that as the 3rd World melts down we find ourselves with a 3rd World President who proposes 3rd World solutions to not only the 3rd World but also for the USA?
Missing birth certificate or no (and it is indeed missing as we know now) it is clear that Obama views things from a 3rd World perspective. Presidential Edicts can substitute for plans, principles, and popular support. A cult of personality can overwhelm the institutions of a democratic republic. And there is always a “stash” of money somewhere belonging to someone else that can let you pull a rabbit out of a hat and keep the scam going until your own Swiss bank account is full. All while, of course, control of the State-Run Media keeps the lid on things.
Until all of a sudden, it does not work any more.
BBC:
Khadaffi has left Libya
RWE said…
“Until all of a sudden, it does not work any more.”
Deuce said…
Today and everyday the US spends $600 million on interest. That is our daily, repeat daily interest payment!
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I replied…
At historically low, and artificially maintained rates.
The fecal matter rapidly approaches the fan.
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63. derek said…
This happened in British Columbia in 1983. The years of government overspending along with the collapse of the largest resource industry due to high cost structures pushed the government into a restraint program. They passed legislation that removed job protection from public unions and a bunch of other things. Specifically they could lay off anyone without cause.
The union movement, one of the most powerful in Canada at the time hit the roof. There was talk of general strikes. They shut down the government for a period of time.
It fizzled out. It was the first of many provinces and eventually Federal shrinking of government, matching expenditures to revenues.
What forced the issue was the inability of governments to borrow at less than usurious rates.
Word for word, what we hear from Obama, the unions, the democrats were said in those days. The media reports were identical. The euphoria of the left was identical, but short lived.
A year later Alberta did the same, then one province after another to some measure, eventually the Federal government. Governments started losing elections for running deficits. And winning by cutting and demanding performance out of the civil service.
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Berry needs to go. Impeach him NOW! See who in the Senate has the courage to convict.
It is going to be a long hot summer. Riot weather doesn’t start for another month.
Old cartoon of a long line of repulsive looking creatures chasing each other down the street. One spectator on the sidewalk tells another,
“It seems like it is just one damned thing after another all the time these days.”
We’ve got a self-sustaining chain reaction mechanism going here. Unrest in oil-producing countries leads to higher oil prices leads to higher prices for combine fuel leads to higher wheat and corn prices leads to more unrest in oil-producing countries. Lather, rinse, repeat.
The Fed refuses to tamp it down because both food and energy costs are removed from their calculations for “core inflation” so their mandate for lower unemployment overrides, and they refuse to set rates back to the historical 3%-5% level.
Frank Herbert had a theory in his Dune books that the human race instinctively sought chaos to mix the genes without plan. Thus the periodic convulsions in history that no one could prevent. We saw a little of this instinct here at the Belmont Club when Israel and Lebanon went at it in 2006, people got their popcorn ready and were disappointed at all the restraint on the part of the IDF. Sixty years of stasis since the last World War has resulted in a lot of kindling on the floor of the world forest, and she’s already burning.
The Suicide Watch Continues:
BP to Pay $7.2 Billion for India Energy Fields Stake
MUMBAI, India — The deal with Reliance is the second major agreement signed by BP in recent months.
The company also made a deal with Russia’s Rosneft to drill in the Arctic.
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Bullet Trains and Windmills!
Ms. T, that goes with the barbarians every 1200 years or so theory. I forget where I read it, but Every major civilization gets wiped out by barbarian hordes after about 1200 years. Civilizations grow to be “major’ because the are vigorous and expanding. After a certain amout of time, they grow decadent and weak. Their neighbors see all that wealth undefended and want their share (ALL). Egypt, Persia, Rome, China several times, the Empires along the Indus. Now Europe. I have some issues with the theory, mainly the fact that most of the Empires in Question overlap. When you consider that Europe was first defined by the Iron King in 800 AD, the timing is right.
If the USA is considered different from Europe, then we still have time. A little.
America has enough untapped hydrocarbons to last thousands of years. Our technology base will eventually produce an alternative to hydrocarbons for energy. Still need them for Chemical Processes.
Re #4 Charlie:
I remember reading reading 5 or 6 yrs ago that coal to gas would work at $40/barrel. The problem was the lag time between concept and completion of a plant and the unknown price oil at the completion date. What if the oil price collapsed and you have billions in a plant that can’t compete?
3 or 4 years later I read of some interests wanting to build at least one plant, but, are you ready for this? The plan was essentially killed because the fuel would emit too much carbon.
Once again the people that want this country starved for energy have the way blocked.
I really think 0bama and his cronies would like nothing better than to take advantage of the turmoil in the Middle East to ration fuel. Sure, there has been no talk of it, but rationing would require more government jobs to administer it and it would enable the government to exert more control over our lives. Those are the advantages of such a scheme if you are a dem.
….the human race instinctively [seeks] chaos to mix the genes without plan…. We saw a little of this instinct here at the Belmont Club when Israel and Lebanon went at it in 2006….
Mixing genes at the Belmont Club during that hot summer of 2006?
Gosh, who knew?
(Cue music to “Summer in the City…)
Surely an, um,
orgyconvocation not to be missed—the results of which surely must have done wonders for the Global average IQ…Or was it a virtual rave with posters dancing ecstatically while shouting out choice passages from “The Road to Serfdom” with wild abandon….?
Does anyone have a video?
Drunks driving tanks?? Allllrightttt!!! Once in college we got drunk and stole a front-end loader but I can see we were just amateurs.
toad/11 –an old Gary Larson toon, an old married couple are sitting in the living room bickering –they’re both single-cell organisms –the caption is the guy saying “hey, I got news for you, Sweetheart, I AM the lowest form of life on Earth!”
It isn’t just oil, of course, but as Wretchard pointed out in another post, it’s about money. It’s about ‘how a nation makes wealth’. By public or private means?
Understand wealth as energy or work. It’s enables This to do That. It’s the metabolism of life.
In the MidEast, the basic method for making wealth was by public action. The government not the individual, sold raw resources for money. They then redistributed the income to the population, who could then purchase their metabolic necessities (food, clothing, cars, telephones, guns etc) – most of which was manufactured outside the country.
This is a no-growth economy. In the beginning, it’s also a no-risk economy; you rely on that raw resource. It rests on the limits of that raw resource.
There are a number of problems. One, is that this is two-class; an elite class emerges who run that economy and they take the majority of the economic wealth. The masses subsist.
Then – the problem emerges when the population increases beyond the limits of the wealth resulting from selling that raw resource. And, you don’t have the political capability or will – to change your economic structure. That’s the Middle East – stuck in its dictatorships, rejecting a middle class economy, rejecting individual freedom.
In the West, the road-to-wealth was carried out by enabling a private capitalist economy. That’s one where individuals create wealth by manufacturing goods and services, at their own risk, and selling them to consumers who can choose, based on the ‘goodness’ of that product or service. This is a growth economy, for it increases or decreases depending on supply and demand.
The problem in the West has emerged, since the world wars, when the government began to expand and moved into more areas of redistribution of goods and services. It moved out of its former limited functions of commonly used goods (roads, defense, communications, energy) and moved into providing food, housing, education, health care etc – all goods used by individuals.
The result was a shrinking, a massive shrinking of the private economy as more and more goods and services were provided by the central government. So, we end up with families living with most if not all of their income coming from the government. That is – from the taxpayer. The taxpayer’s wealth in the West comes from the private economy. Not from oil.
The problem of course, is that the source of wealth, both in the ME and the West, is finite. The oil ends; the private sector simply cannot support both itself and the non-contributing public sector.
That’s where we are now. The expansion of a redistributive economy in the West, relying on wealth extraction from one source (oil, the private sector) has to end. The economy has to return to one based around capitalism – the private sector economy.
Notice that Obama’s agenda is the exact opposite; he’s focused on the expansion of a public redistributive economy. He can’t accept that the private sector can’t pay for such a mode of existence. So, he either prints money or he borrows it from the Chinese. He’s destroying the American economy.
Post WWII, the US led the western world in a very boring period of industrialization. Boring to the libs that is. Industrialization created a virtuous circle of economic value creation, which led to job creation, community prosperity and many other benefits which led to the buildout of the the US middle class.
It did not come without risks though, and there were environmental, health and safety issues that came with this progress. Most industries have done a phenomenonal job of addressing these. The safety and environmental records of the responsible industrialists today are unmatched are exemplary and unmatched in history.
However, that hasn’t been good enough for the Greenies of the world. Nothing is good enough save a return to Eden. Witness how John Brown destroyed the culture and capabilities of BP in order to appear Green to the Green cocktail circuit, and thus we get Texas City and Deepwater Horizon.
We are being led by people who couldn’t change a flat tire. While I don’t envision a return to the America of the 50′s, it is clear that we have a lot of industrial challenges that we have got to get to work on (buildout of the shales, offshore exploration, conversion of the auto fleet away from oil to cng/power). People like the Kochs provide that kind of leadership daily, and see what it gets them in the court of public opinion?
We desperately need good leadership; I hope that the Walkers, Christie’s, Daniel’s and the like are showing us the way here.
Wisconsin Update:
(sorry for the OT)
1. The quorum requirement in the state senate applies only to fiscal measures. There is beginning to be buzz that the senate will procede with non-fiscal bills. Presumably, this could even include all the collective bargaining provisions in Gov. Walker’s bill, although Republicans have not yet said they plan to go down that path.
2. Similar to a possible Federal Gov’t. shutdown, if a Wisc. “Fiscal Repair Bill” is not passed very soon, the state may have to begin taking draconian actions, such as mass furloughs/layoffs and shut-down of some services.
3. The Wisc. teachers’ union has called for teachers to return to their classrooms. Is this surrender? At a minimum, it indicates that teachers realize they are losing the PR battle.
The following may seem obvious to many of you and very strange to others. I’ve been on both sides of this, having lived most of my life in metro Chicago, but the past 10 years in Wisc. Wisc. culture is somewhat fanatic about playing by the rules. Chicago – what rules? It’s a very big deal in Wisc. that doctors are writing phony notes to excuse teachers who skipped work to protest in Madison. Similarly, many Wisc. voters are incensed that the 14 Democrat senators are not doing the job that taxpayers are paying them to do. In Chicago, these issues would warrant little more than a shrug or a wink and a “whaddy ya expect”. In Wisc., these are significant issues.
W: “What happens when vast numbers of people grow up without any prospects?”
We’re finding out right now in this country. Recent grads sign up for Americorps, if they’re lucky. Jobs are scarce. Recent grads are scared, heading to a precipice, as far as I can tell, with modest or large loans chained to their legs. The most talented are flocking to rent-seeking positions in government, finance and health care.
Reminds me of Dickens:
“Scrooge followed to the window: desperate in his curiosity. He looked out.
The air was filled with phantoms, wandering hither and thither in restless haste, and moaning as they went. Every one of them wore chains like Marley’s Ghost; some few (they might be guilty governments) were linked together; none were free. Many had been personally known to Scrooge in their lives. He had been quite familiar with one old ghost, in a white waistcoat, with a monstrous iron safe attached to its ankle, who cried piteously at being unable to assist a wretched woman with an infant, whom it saw below, upon a door-step. The misery with them all was, clearly, that they sought to interfere, for good, in human matters, and had lost the power for ever.”
Ariel, a spirit in the air bound to Prospero the Magician, aboard the storm-toss’d ship in Shakespeare’s The Tempest:
“Hell is empty, and all the devils are here”
Call me crazy, but I am increasingly optimistic about things.
First, I think that ar al-Facebook has conquered dar al-Islam. Resistance is futile. The digital age owns 98% of the yutes, and they look at their iPhone, and they look at the Koran, and one goes down the toilet.
Second, the oil crisis is over, we can frack oil fields as well as gas fields. We are golden for the next century – peak oil is now at least a generation away. Oil prices will stabilize under $100/barrel, at which price Canadian oil sands, US coal gassification, and probably even shale oil are profitable. We’ll drill offshore after Barry goes home.
If a little turbulence in the middle east shuts down production and handicaps Europe, Japan, and China for the next ten years, the laugh is on them. They misjudged – everything, the politics, the military, the value of our friendship.
If the house of Saud *doesn’t* fall, I will be disappointed. They have been a fishbone in the throat of world peace for three generations.
Oh, the US might have a little discomfort for a couple of months to a year, while new sources are brought hurriedly online. If Barry had a brain in his pretty little head, of course this would be his #1, #2, and #3 priorities – hey it even creates jobs and improves the balance of payments. Increased oil prices have already raised food prices, been going on since 2007. Tough on the third world, but what isn’t?
Nope. We’re free to work on expelling Barry from our politics, desalinating drinking water, putting a thorium reactor in every pot, and bringing up our own Borg’d children. Oil, and middle east peace – how 20th century.
/maybe
Excellent post by wretchard. At one time within the memory of living men the response to a situation like that in Libya would have been obvious. Americans and Europeans would have flooded the place, with missionaries. We should be trumpeting a clear message,
Libya and Tunisia have a rich heritage as part of the Greco-Roman world. Most of their ancestors were Jewish or Christian, Augustine was a Berber. Their people need not be chained to the failed vision of a minority that invaded from the East. They can choose to be individuals and humans whose lives and creativity have meaning in this world. They can choose freedom.
I live in a former industrial center where retirees had to take cuts in benefits that make those that government workers are facing look like a pittance (and are relying on guarantees that aren’t guaranteed). Plus they still have property taxes to pay. These are traditional Democrat voters who marched to the polls to vote for Obama in 2008. If they are marching in 2012, I don’t think that will be the purpose.
As rapper Ricky Ro-say would say: Where my money!
http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/rickross/wheremymoneyineedthat.html
If you belong to the teachers union you can get it as a ring-tone.
Perhaps we are at our tipping point, much like an alcoholic face down in the gutter. There comes a point where something must be done – death or life.
This country still has boundless potential. The policies of the last 100 years have decimated our ability to innovate, motivate, elevate. It’s time to purge the progressive kudzu.
We have the talent and wherewithal to solve our problems and enrich our people. First, we must close our borders. We’ve lost control, and folks are not assimilating. Every time I see a burka I get sick. Talk about slavery.
Next, we must blow to smithereens the current curriculum in our schools, fire half the teachers and revamp the way and the what of teaching. To illustrate, note the success of Catholic schools and home schools. The schools must, must be a resource to inspire those who are victims of bad parenting and progressive excess. The damaged goods are destroying our society, and something must be done to intervene.
Our financial and trade policies need the same explosion. Enough of exporting our processes, wealth and jobs.
Then strip Soros of his citizenship and deport him.
Granting his amazingly tin ear on immigration policy but reviewing military procurement policy, foreign policy, energy policy and willingness to tell idiots off; John McCain looks better and better.
Maybe we will wake up and our present cabal will also be on a plane for exile. America is the land of Do-Overs and second chances. Maybe the rest of the world now gets a second chance. Maybe we are all Americans.
In the more bad news category, another volcano blew up in the Philippines.
#24
My optimism, such as it is, speaks to the inability of the MB to offer the vision of an economic future that could meet the rising tide of expectations.
I doubt that many young Arabs see Gaza as a desirable end for themselves.
Josh 24 – Optimism? Yes! So long as we have sufficient reserves to negotiate the various Black Swans that keep popping up.
The U.S. is straining at the leash. The only thing holding us back are lousy policies coming out of Washington.
#4 the USGS estimates that the potential coal reserves of Alaska is 4 trillion tons. You read that right. 4 trillion tons. The vast majority of this tonnage is light coal; unsuited for industrial use but ideal for the feeder stock needed to make sythnetic fuel. We have the resources. Only thing missing is the will.
Re: Unreast in ME and China. Did a flock of black swans just land on the “pond”?
The O Admin is still at war with coal. Friend owns property in WV flush with coal and can’t get a mining permit, even though demand is exploding. Progressives see coal as the one thing that could save this country, and they must shut it down.
If we’d put the amount of money into coal technology that we’ve put into abortion, there wouldn’t be any oil angst. It appears our government has actively worked against companies engaged in clean coal technology and synthetic fuels.
a interesting blog on Lybian events:
“The London School of Economics – where Saif al-Islam Gaddafi attended university – says it is reviewing its links with Libya. The university says it has previously “delivered executive education programmes to Libyan officials, principally from the Economic Development Board”. It has also received funding for scholarships in return for “advice given to the Libyan Investment Authority in London”.
It is not expecting any further funds, the school says, but “intends to continue its work on democratisation in North Africa funded from other sources unrelated to the Libyan authorities
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/middle-east/2011/02/17/live-blog-libya
and don’t shiver brave popole:
OPEC unlikely to take action in Riyadh: delegates http://dlvr.it/HB4TL c’est dire si les autres royaumes arabes apprécient Kadhafi !
Here’s a very good piece that was picked up by a talk radio guy in Milwaukee.
http://www.620wtmj.com/shows/charliesykes/116529988.html?blog=y
It describes in some detail exactly what has been going on inside the Capitol in Madison. It ain’t pretty.
24.
I would be more optimistic if the Iranians were successful last year in their efforts to topple the mullahs. Regardless, the oil crunch that is likely to result will be bad. This isn’t the 70′s anymore. Just in time shipping, the massive entitlement state and the fragility of our socio-economic position…. Warning: Tipping Point may occur at anytime.
rb @ 30: The U.S. is straining at the leash. The only thing holding us back are lousy policies coming out of Washington.
With all due respect to Dubya, he should have lead on this stuff, too, but he was too old-school oil-patch Saudi-buddy, and the frackin’ business came along just a year too late for him.
Obambus is frackin’ lucky, under his barely discernible leadership, the US is going to recover its energy independence, and if he follows Charles’ advice and puts his name on a thorium reactor project, he could go down as some kind of hero – like Bill Clinton who Balanced The Budget (yeah right).
@Reuters Reuters Top News
FLASH: British Foreign Minister Hague: Have seen some information to suggest Libya’s Gaddafi on his way to Venezuela
I spent way too much time in the sphere yesterday and woke this morning melancholy. I recalled the lyrics of a song that used to lift me from the funk. Here is a young lady doing a simple cover of that tune:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ER67ov7CNSY&feature=related
The instrumental arrangement on the original cut is truly amazingly uplifting.
Now I can go split some firewood and clean out the chicken coop.
oh and btw, nice posts today ⚢ Teresita.
The immediate effect of ME oil supply disruption will be higher capital costs and inflation. These factors will make new capital-intensive energy projects like coal-to-oil and new nuclear look uneconomic, at least for awhile.
Historically, this happened during the Carter Years. The Iranian oil crisis and his inflationary policies killed off a large number of uncompleted nuclear power projects (Marble Hill, WPPSS, Watts Bar, etc.)
No, the time to prepare for the next energy price run-up is when times are good and money cheap. Cheap energy means cheap steel and cheap concrete, both highly energy-intensive raw materials. The Leftists understand that and have been running that play for decades. Instead, the West has WASTED billions on wind and solar.
We’ll recover in time, so long as we have free elections in this country.
Josh @ 24: “Call me crazy, but I am increasingly optimistic about things.”
Far from crazy. There are excellent reasons for long-term optimism. Real wealth is the ability to mine things, grow things, transport things. So far, no-one (except for Western Leftists) is doing anything to harm those real wealth-generating capacities. And when Barrack’s Paper Pyramid collapses, the real wealth-generating capacity will still be there.
The situation has to get worse first, unfortunately, so that we come to our senses and change direction. Then things will start to get better — the rapid recovery of Japan & Germany after WWII is an example of how much can change in 15 well-used years. The tough part is to guess the timing for when we hit rock bottom — which could be much sooner, or much more distant, than most of us think.
But be optimistic. Change is coming! We don’t even have to Hope for it.
edf@32: The O Admin is still at war with coal.
“There’s no such thing as clean coal.”
Even Jim Cramer makes the claim.
Same attitude with the piping infrastructure required to commercialize thorium reactors (ref bl’s end of previous thread) – it’s not “smart” “modern” “sleek” – it’s complicated, dirty, noisy, smelly….
There seems to be a weird aesthetic opposition to the various elements of energy programs. Part of the reason why this country at least seems stuck in the edelweiss stage of windmills and solar.
The economic and political establishment back in 2008 were scared by the crisis, but failed to recognize how serious was/is the problem. The Fed saw it as a liquidity trap, the classic nail to a hammer. The Obama administration thought that it would be a tough year, maybe two, with the fix coming on strong in 2011 to pave reelection. Both have spent money like crazy. It will turn around, they say, we have hit bottom, they say.
All they did is blow their wad. They had some assets left. The faith and confidence in the US dollar, the ability to borrow large amounts based on that faith. The decades long price stability and reputation of the Fed.
They spent them all in the attempt to get things back to what they were. They failed to recognize that what they were was the problem.
So now second order effects are starting to hit. And some unexpected shocks. Unexpected only in the sense that a date can’t be put on them, but fully expected if you consider the reality.
The US has nothing left. Inflation is starting to show up. If the Fed implements a tight money policy to fight that, interest rates will rise and that will cause a crisis due to the Federal debt. The Treasury can’t come up with emergency short term money to tide over a crisis, simply because they already did and the cupboard is bare.
Nassim Taleb won’t go to any conference to discuss the issues if there are people on the panel who didn’t predict the 2008 crisis. He says that you don’t give the keys to the driver who crashed the bus. He is right. We were led by fools, and they are still in control.
Which tells me that this isn’t an economic crisis. This is a political fight, a fight to the death where those who hold the reins of power won’t let go.
These situations are always resolved in one way.
w: ‘What happens when vast numbers of people grow up without any prospects?’
In the past they emigrated from Europe and Britain – to the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Argentina, Brazil, Chile etc. Then they emigrated from Asia, the ME and Africa to the Anglosphere and Europe. People without prospects start to move. Mass movement to the Anglosphere isn’t likely to be allowed now and the Europeans will resist it too (maybe). If the ME turmoil produces some civil wars, there could be spontaneous mass movements of people across borders within the ME. That movement would bring its own kind of chaos.
Regardless, in the ME they will still be without prospects. As people have said here before, they either go Bolshevik/Islamist and destroy what promise they do have, or they go rational and enlightened and work to slowly and painfully create prospects at home. What are the chances of rational and enlightened?
Colleagues,
PLEASE get off the “Right-Wing Magic Energy Bullets” – thorium reactors, small modular reactors, cold fusion. These are distractions from the problem at hand.
Long-term R&D in these areas is something to consider,debate, and maybe fund but remember these are decades away from having commercial impact on the energy supply market.
They have no place in current policy discussions and offer no remedy for the energy issues we face today and through the next few election cycles.
YBR#41
Over and over again, that “no such thing” mantra is repeated. Big lie. I’ve worked with companies over the years who had clean coal technology and were bought out, and that’s the last you hear of their technology. Same for hydrogen fuel cell techology. The o admin stripped funding from one of the most promising companies as soon as they took office. Almost as if they had a list of who to shut down.
Something very wicked has a hold of this country, and the people know it. Either that, or this is a long term strategy to ensure our survival by keeping certain resources in house.
wh @ 44: PLEASE get off the “Right-Wing Magic Energy Bullets” – thorium reactors, small modular reactors, cold fusion.
Oh, I totally agree that the thorium reactors is still a research bet, and at best would take a generation to work out completely, though with hard work and luck and a combination of mild panic and green weinieism we might be able to start fielding some in maybe five years and we still have no plan for radioactive waste and that has to be done, too.
But, Obama could put his *name* on the idea now, and when it came to fruition fifteen years later, it might still have the association.
Hydrogen fuel cell technology was one of the largest and longest energy scam that I have seen.
Where pray tell do you get the hydrogen?
Clean coal and all these other technologies exist. The problem is that they cost a fortune. They are only viable compared to solar and wind, which cost dramatically more than any other. We don’t hear about them any more because the buzz was created for the purpose of driving up the price for the sale. Once the sale happens, and someone actually looks at the numbers with a gimlet eye, the only thing you can do is bury it so that no one calls you out on your foolishness.
Energy is going to cost more. At the higher cost, new sources and methods become economical. At higher cost, the price of efficiency technologies becomes viable.
Derek/42 is right. The people that ran the scams that blew up in the early Bush I and took shareholders money are the same people who did it again and took taxpayers money in 2008, and are the same people doing it again and taking the worlds money this time. The predicate is laid already, the IMF ‘special drawing rights’ for international trade will supplant the dollar, but first a 100 trillion QE will be tried –search [100 trillion] and take a look. The same people started saying a week or two ago that the world economy was in need of credit, and 100 trillion dollars of it should be pumped into the system. Again, Treasury and Fed are acting like they don’t savvy the diff between liquidity and solvency.
In the Carter oil crisis of the 70s, USA imported 30% of its burn –today it is 70%. Just putting –or just ‘having put’ –the large haulers on CNG would save –would have been saving –half of what we buy from OPEC, which is where the pain is fixing to originate, as the wolves who can do better off the global auction market start to break it up.
Egypt as you’ve heard has tossed the old constitution and has commissioned a board to write a new one –on the board is the Muslim Brotherhood’s current spiritual leader. They didn’t even give Google and the twenty-somethings in the state dept a decent interval to get their skirts back down off their faces.
God help the people of Israel, who must be wondering why there’s no place on earth they can just live and be left alone.
Josh/46, re nuke waste, please search [ yucca mountain report redacted ]
Derek 47 .. Not correct about fuel cell and clean coal. Nuclear was an expensive development. It got here. GM purchased one of the fuel cell technologies. Big oil and big auto spend a lot of money making sure you think the way you think.
Energy guys,
A lot of “good-enough” technologies exist in the here and now. “Clean coal” may be a myth or a budget buster, but pretty clean coal – using higher pressures in the boiler, advanced emissions controls and improved fuel quality – can be done next week. Such plants already exist elsewhere and some are under construction in the US. However, the hostility of government to these technologies, not just at the federal level, but in the states as well, guarantees that we will face problems with the older coal and nuke plants before we wake up. New high pressure boilers (called supercritical and ultra-supercritical) use about 40% less coal per kWh than the current average US coal-fired plant. This makes it possible to stretch out the resource life for centuries, plenty of time to come up with better solutions.
With nukes as with coal we do not need a game changer right now, we simply have to make better use of the fuel that we already have processed with multiple fuel cycles. That buys plenty of time to develop some of the technologies that are not yet feasible.
However, it should be noted that the US still lives with the bitter legacy of the Carter years, a web of rulings that have crippled the upstream oil gas and electric power industries. Just because it makes sense and people want it does not mean the government will permit it.
Going to quickly side with eagles on this one. There’s actually quite a bit of literature on-line but you have to follow it – and/or (put on your blert glasses and) keep up with the oil and gas journals (which I don’t do) but I do know that “clean coal” is technically feasible and cost effective particularly when part of co-generation facilities.
eaglesdontflock: GM went bankrupt due to their stupidity.
I don’t listen to big oil. I have to actually justify, prove to my customers that the solutions I sell will save them money.
Clean coal is a marketing campaign with the goal of preventing regulatory shutdown of the coal industry. Coal generation is cheap, coal is plentiful. Clean coal, referring to low carbon emission coal generation is technology in response to regulatory pressure. All it does is raise the cost and complexity of the technology. No one in their right mind would implement it unless forced by regulatory agencies.
Where does the hydrogen come from? If it comes from hydrocarbons, what advantage does it have over current technologies? And if so, it isn’t a source of energy as much as another way to use diminishing/more costly hydrocarbons.
A very easy way to disabuse yourself of these notions is to get a calculator. You will find that big oil is big because it delivers high density energy source for a low price.
Same with engine technologies.
Coal Gasification raises conversion efficiencies from 30% to 70/80%:
Efficiency gains are another benefit of coal gasification. In a typical coal combustion-based power plant, heat from burning coal is used to boil water, making steam that drives a steam turbine-generator. In some coal combustion-based power plants, only a third of the energy value of coal is actually converted into electricity.
A coal gasification power plant, however, typically gets dual duty from the gases it produces. First, the coal gases, cleaned of impurities, are fired in a gas turbine – much like natural gas – to generate one source of electricity. The hot exhaust of the gas turbine, and some of the heat generated in the gasification process, are then used to generate steam for use in a steam turbine-generator. This dual source of electric power, called a “combined cycle,” is much more efficient in converting coal’s energy into usable electricity. The fuel efficiency of a coal gasification power plant in this type of combined cycle can potentially be boosted to 50 percent or more.
Future concepts that incorporate a fuel cell or a fuel cell-gas turbine hybrid could achieve efficiencies nearly twice today’s typical coal combustion plants. If any of the remaining heat can be channeled into process steam or heat, perhaps for nearby factories or district heating plants, the overall fuel use efficiency of future gasification plants could reach 70 to 80 percent.
Higher efficiencies translate into more economical electric power and potential savings for ratepayers.
Agreed – “clean coal” was a political marketing term for CO2-less coal-fired electric plants.
It would NEVER work – except to bankrupt the economy. It required 75 to 100% MORE coal and three times the capital expense for the same output. Then you still had to do something with the CO2 (or slime in some versions.)
The warehouses are full of hydrogen fuel cells, just waiting for cheap hydrogen fuel.
The Bush Administration was going the right direction on nuclear waste – start a spent fuel recycle program. That would reduce the Yucca Mountain problem to insignificance – 5% the volume, one two-thousandth the design life, and make new fuel for a trillion dollars of electricity at wholesale prices.
Seems to me that the most basic citizen action for our energy policy is elect overwhelming Republican majorities in Congress, state legislatures, governorships, and in the White House.
#53 derek Didn’t say GM was smart. They bought the technology to bury it for the time being.
I’m pretty good with a calculator and will not disabuse myself of clean coal and fuel cell technology.
The prospect of ME meltdown is central to my thesis that we must protect the West from the coming Muslim tsunami. Jihad is coming to a city near YOU – and it is only the presence of far too many Muslims on your soil which magnifies their threat and makes Jihad possible in the first place. Jihad requires fuel – the money component of that fuel comes solely from our pockets. With that money the Muslims have explodes their populations. In addition to exporting their oil to the West, Muslims have added the export of millions of surplus and pissed off Islmamic foot-soldiers and baby machines, rampant mosque building, and relentless Jihad fomentation with Muslim sponsored Imams.
This will only get worse.
The best possible point to stave off this hideous nightmare is NOW – quarantining Muslims won’t look so radical a few years from now… It is and will remain the best, most humane, and least violent alternative to a menu of far far worse alternatives. But today I’m sure I’m considered the radical.
Morton @ 57
You must have been reading this website. Good for you.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/
I only wish more did.
Derek,
Higher efficiency coal plants burn 40-50% less fuel than current average plants in the US. That is a LOT of carbon reduction. In fact it is more savings of CO2 than just about any other short term option. And while it is true that the plants still emit CO2, they put out much less POP (plain old pollution – SOX, NOX, CO, etc). Along with smaller plant footprints, fewer unit train deliveries of fuel, smaller reserve piles, willing investors no subsidies – what’s not to like about such an interim solution? (see http://www.masterresource.org/2009/02/mr-president-how-about-these-shovel-ready-projects/).
Without such an approach how will the US satisfy base load electricity demands – wind, batteries, perpetual motion machines? What else can the masters of thermodynamics concoct? The alternative will be a steadily falling reliability of service for baseload plants as ever-more-ancient generation stations are forced to operate at 80%+ plant factors.
#48 buddy larsen said…
God help the people of Israel, who must be wondering why there’s no place on earth they can just live and be left alone.
February 21, 2011 – 9:36 am
We’re counting on it. There is not a chance that the Obama is going to leave us alone. Tony will be on board as well.
Is Gaddafi going to stand trial for crimes against humanity? How about Tony Blair, who helped arm him? What would the UN be doing now if Israel had used indiscriminately aircraft to strafe and bomb Palestinians…scum of the earth, Brits…Some Americans are never going to forget Lockerbie and British greed. Some Israelis will never forget British duplicity.
Oh, the big-brains at Reuter’s are reporting that Gaddafi used military aircraft to use “live ammunition” against the demonstrators. Is there some other kind one would use in military aircraft against a threat – say turkeys…?
On a happier note, if the Muslims are itching for a fight with Israel, their big battalions are in total disarray.
“Power to the Peoples!”
___Yasser Arafat
I was just remarking to someone last night that it must have felt like this in August, 1939. Events are coming so thick and fast that even the PR machines cannot spin them quickly enough to appear in control. “The future … has become like a black highway at night. We were in uncharted territory now … making up history as we went along.”
Of course those Augusts — whether of 1914 or 1939 — will never come again. The past sometimes echoes in the present. But our future is always new.
energy issues
Where pray tell do you get the hydrogen?
Comets?
More seriously a fuel cell that could directly or even indirectly react methane might in theory be more efficient than a reciprocating heat engine, just not yet.
Yucca Mountain
Works for me. Glassify the waste, seal it in barrels, dump it down a mine. Problem isn’t technically difficult, just politically, and I didn’t mean to imply otherwise.
clean coal
We’ve already cleaned out the soot, NOx and mercury, and I wish to heaven the Chinese would, too. “Cleaning” out the CO2 is a joke. The combined gassification and generation plan might be nice. That cheap natural gas facilitates cheap gassification is a double-bonus.
The advantage of gasification power generation (IGCC) is the feedstock flexibility – coal, oil, natural gas (of which this country has quite large deposits so I read) and (future) municipal solid waste and other forms of biomass. The IGCC plants provide the infrastructure for future carbon-based feedstocks while nat gas will probably be applied at the refineries.
“Cleaning” the process stream is not the problem. The problem is waste disposal and even that is under development using CO2 recycling technologies.
The problem of energy is political, not technical. We’ve just seen the Obama regime urinate away vast sums of wealth in exchange for approximately nothing. Imagine if he had instead spent a trillion dollars to commence building dozens of new nuclear power plants along with facilities to turn coal into vehicle fuel. Worse, he essentially shut down new drilling in the Gulf while loaning Brazil billions so they could drill off their coast. And his party has blocked blocked drilling in ANWAR for almost two decades.
Pity them. Once foreign supplies dry up or become significantly more expensive there will be hell to pay, obviously. Obama and his democrats will be stuck trying to explain to an enraged electorate just what the hell they were thinking by blocking the development of domestic energy supplies.
It won’t go well for them. People might not care that much when gas is $3-something per gallon- in the US I should add- but they certainly will when it’s $7-something or more. And the record of who wanted to do what and when is all written down in black and white.
I doubt yammering about “green jobs” and windmills will enough to save them.
Wretchard,
The vision of Krugman clinging to his sofa has inspired me with hope today.
Not in the realm of discussion, but Krugman’s entire understanding of the coal industry can be summed up by this: http://snipr.com/23ues9
57. Morton Doodslag: The best possible point to stave off this hideous nightmare is NOW – quarantining Muslims won’t look so radical a few years from now… It is and will remain the best, most humane, and least violent alternative to a menu of far far worse alternatives.
Oh, I get it, sort of like the minutes of the Wannsee Conference, except Arabs instead of Jews!
“Under proper guidance, in the course of the final solution the Muslims are to be allocated for appropriate labor in the East. Able-bodied Muslims, separated according to sex, will be taken in large work columns to these areas for work on roads, in the course of which action doubtless a large portion will be eliminated by natural causes. The possible final remnant will, since it will undoubtedly consist of the most resistant portion, have to be treated accordingly, because it is the product of natural selection and would, if released, act as the seed of a new Muslim revival.”
Not meaning disrespect to anyone here, but derek asked about where to get hydrogen. And Xennedy mentioned urine, so I turned to Wikipedia to seek a correlation:
“Hydrogen can also be made from urine. Using urine, hydrogen production is 332% more energy efficient than using water.[12][13] The research was conducted by Geraldine Botte from the Ohio University. Recently, Dr. Shanwen Tao of the Heriot-Watt University has invented a Carbamide Power System Fuel Cell that can immediately convert urine into electricity”
Trrasita: It takes one helluva twisted lesbian to trot out such a smug, ignorant Nazi defamation, and in defense of a religion which mandates her annihilation, no less. You have a genuinely perverted mind, and I don’t mean because of your sexuality.
Brian Williams:
“From the Mideast to the American Midwest tonight, people are rising up.”
Williams set up his Friday newscast by equating the left-wing protests with those against Arab dictatorships:
“From the Mideast to the American Midwest tonight, people are rising up. Citizens uprisings are changing the world,”
he championed, citing what “we’ve witnessed from Tunisia to Egypt” and now Wisconsin where “the state capitol has been taken over by the people.”
Without ever mentioning the involvement of President Obama’s Organizing for America, reporter John Yang trumpeted from Madison how “tens of thousands of public workers have come here to make their voices heard.”
Scolding incivility certainly didn’t interest Yang, who cued up a protester to trash Wisconsin Republican Governor Scott Walker without making any note of the sign he was holding which showed a hammer and sickle below “Scott Stalin.”
ABC and CBS on Friday night, as they did on Thursday night, ignored the instigation by Organizing for America as CBS’s Cynthia Bowers, who never identified anyone as liberal, concluded:
“More protests are planned for tomorrow and for the first time conservative activists are calling upon their supporters — including Tea Party groups — to hold rallies of their own.”
63. YBR
CO2 IS NOT “WASTE!”
About using coal for electric power plants. You might want to check out how Oklahoma has been doing it for the last sixty years.
Doug
You ask too much of our overburdened journalists.
If you faxed them a story on some official looking letterhead about how the Wisconsin brouhaha was about the Tea Party keeping Mexicans from crossing the border and flooding the Madison school system, more than half would repeat it as true.
I would bet anything that the average TV and print journalist knows knows less about geography, history, math and science, and philosophy than the average high school student in 1900.
70,
Yes, the US uses coal for about 45% of its power generation. We know all about that and can do it a lot better now than we did 60 years ago. The problem is that it now nearly impossible to obtain a license to build a new plant, and no new coal-fired plant has commenced construction since some time in 2008. As with Carter and nuclear plants the obstacles thrown up by the Obambi may paralyze energy production and power generation for years.
Light crude oil from coal was THE process used to produce kerosene and whatnot in the 19th Century. It used steam distillation. The condensate was termed ‘coal tar.’ Oil refining was derived entirely from coal tar refining — the earlier resource.
Coal tar was the original feedstock that provided synthetic dyes, new medicines — generally triggering a chemical boom in the Ruhr.
AEP ( American Electric Power ) operates the most coal-fired generating capacity in the nation. ( privately owned ) They have a new-wave coal to syn-gas to brayton cycle to rankine cycle process installed on the banks of the Ohio River. It’s got great numbers and figures to have by far the lowest heat-rate yet achieved. ( Heat-rates are like golf scores: lowest is best. )
If the coal was subjected to steam distillation 1bbl / ton would be thrown off. The energy used to do so could be recovered in the synthesis gas process and in the brayton+rankine cycles. The light coal tar = light crude oil = negative cost of fuel for electric power!
Unlike crude oil, distillate coal tar is easily fractionated at the point of creation. Meaning that instead of selling the coal tar as ‘crude’ a hefty fraction could be sold straight away as refined product. Then the dregs could be barged down the Ohio to a world scale oil refinery.
For perpetual power — place run-of-the-mountainside hydo-plants on the east slope of the Andes. Then either use the juice to split water or wire it in all directions from Amazonia. The power of the Sun drives the system and the collection area is the size of nations. It then showers the east slope with rainfall and snowmelt of titanic measure. This hydro-potential dwarfs the energy reserves of oil, coal, tar sands, etc. It is effectively endless.
And we could begin with current technique — it’s entirely conventional, except in scope. And you can’t get any greener.
WRT recycling Carbon Dioxide — Amazonia has that covered. It’s plant fertilizer. An exponential ramp in partial pressures causes an exponential ramp in plant growth. Yes, plants burn a lot of solar energy sucking down carbon dioxide. It’s a rate limiting factor!
This was noted decades ago by NASA.
Today, bio-diesel from algae is viable ONLY when the critters are able to receive super elevated carbon dioxide pressures. Imagine that!
68. Morton Doodslag Trrasita: It takes one helluva twisted lesbian to trot out such a smug, ignorant Nazi defamation, and in defense of a religion which mandates her annihilation, no less.
Yeah, I get that a lot. When I object to WiO/Pork Rinds for Allah nuking Mecca on account of the women and children there, he trots out my sexual preference too, as if that has anything to do with anything. It’s called an ad hominem attack.
Quarantining Muslims in labor camps is not the Solution we’re looking for.
Portable nuclear power plants are available now. However, the USA doesn’t have the regulatory ability to handle them currently–and probably won’t as long as a democrat is in office.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/nuclear/4273386
http://www.hyperionpowergeneration.com/news/news122010.html
http://bit.ly/fftP09
Planned first shipments are slated to go abroad.
I had a meeting with someone from a major company who went to the Department of Energy offering a portable nuclear power plant. They told him “we don’t have inspectors trained in supervising this technology. Why don’t you offer to arrange to fund their training?” Ok, he said. How long will it take? “Come back in 20 years,” was the answer.
The so called “energy policy” in the USA is about as close to criminal mismanagement as a democratic government can get. Obama is the worst offender but that is probably because he is the most recent offender.
If government just got out of the way there would not be an energy problem.
wretchard,
Your friend asked the Drug Enforcement Administration if they could inspect his nuclear power plants and they said they would in 20 years? We found the problem. The boys are sampling the contraband again.
Your friend asked the Drug Enforcement Administration if they could inspect his nuclear power plants and they said they would in 20 years? We found the problem. The boys are sampling the contraband again.
Sorry, that was the Department of Energy. I fixed it above. But I was shocked to hear it at first, but then on reflection I wasn’t really surprised, and then I just felt sad.
@76 W
Gee, you would think resourceful DOE types would have thought to obtain expertise from, I don’t know, maybe the Navy, which has safely been running “portable” nuclear plants for over 50 years. I say safely, because unless there has been a huge cover up, the Navy nuclear program has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy’s car in all that time. Wasn’t the DOE established by Carter to help us towards energy independence? Seems all they are now is a (16,000 strong) extension of the EPA. Another epic government FAIL.
Charles
“Portable” Nuclear Power Plants is a terrible misnomer.
They’re not portable at all. They are mass-produced to a consistent design.
The Soviets approached nuclear power that way. Trouble was they chose the wrong design. ( Carbon pile )
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I see Thorium brought up as a substitute for Uranium. But it doesn’t work that way. Thorium only works because it is FERTILE not fissile. And it works by being promoted up to Uranium 233. ( IIRC )
So all Thorium cycles require Uranium/Plutonium to get rolling. They are ‘thermal’-neutron breeder designs. ( Thermal = Slow in the argot of the trade. ) ( I’ve never seen any attempt at fast-neutron+Thorium breeders. )
The other breeder scheme was U238 ==> Pu239 via fast-neutrons. ( Fissioned neutrons would not be moderated down so that they’d be hot enough to enter the ‘absorption window’ of U238. )
That design was abandoned decades ago after swallowing staggering sums to not build a working plant. Molten NaK is just too touchy to build around.
If we really want a good Energy Policy it would be very easy to do:
(1) Don’t give ANY government subsidies or loan guarantees to anyone for the purpose of energy production.
(2) Set it so that, until a given date, say 2031, anyone who creates or invests in any domestic energy producing enterprise, whether it be oil wells, nuclear power plants, windmills or unicorn-driven treadmills, will have all of the income that derives from such efforts be exempt from taxation of any kind.
(3) Capital investments in such enterprises need not be amortized. They can be written off as straight business costs in the year in which they are made.
(4) Make it optional for such enterprises to file their plans with the government. If they do so, they are not subject to any federal regulations pertaining to their operations which are promulgated after the date of that filing.
I suspect that the US would be energy independent within five years, and that the economy would boom in the meantime.
48. buddy larsen
I got it any time they need it.
http://libertyledger.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/zimbabwe_100_trillion_dollar_bill.jpg
I missed reading many of the posts which I am sure were lush with knowledge but I did have an almost immediate reaction to the threads heading, Downstream. With very few exceptions on this earth almost everything is either literally of metaphorically “downstream” so let’s all just buck up and be happy that we are with, and not against, the current.
Also, when camping, be very careful drinking the water that is downstream.
Finally, the world does seem somewhat in a dither at the moment. I believe it started with flouride in the water and later anti-bacterial hand sanitizer. Darn commies.
I believe some of the comments here have referred to two different technology(s) by the same term: Clean Coal. I distinguish between coal gassification and clean coal. Coal gassification is a process where coal is “gassified”, and a methane-like gas called Syn-Gas is produced, which can then be burned to make electricity. Other useful by-products are also produced, and none of the particulate pollution or acidic gasses go up the chimney. This is the cleanest possible way to generate electricity from coal. When global-warmist politicians talk about “Clean Coal”, they are talking about some scheme where the coal is gassified, burned to make electricity (as before) but then somehow, the CO2 in the exhaust is captured. This CO2 capture raises the price of the electricity produced by an order of magnitude.
We should start building coal gassification plants, Small Modular Reactors (SMR’s) and coal-to-diesel plants right now. If there is a breakdown in the Middle East, and gasoline costs $12/gallon, coal to diesel plants will spring up like mushrooms across the US, and all plans to “capture” the harmless CO2 in the exhaust will be ditched. But it will take at least 6 to 10 years to really build up an infrastructure of coal-to-diesel plants, and what happens to the economy in the meantime (if the Middle East explodes)?
Unrest and the Libyan Military
Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi has ordered the Libyan air force to fire on military installations in Libya, according to what the BBC has characterized as a reliable source. Al Jazeera has suggested that air force fighters have opened fire on crowds of protesters.
Though the latter would be particularly draconian, the more important question is whether these signs reflect a split within the regime and Gadhafi using military force to crush opposition to his regime emerging from the military or other security forces. Similar reports of the Libyan navy firing on targets onshore also are emerging, as well as reports that Gadhafi has given execution orders to soldiers who have refused to fire on Libyan protesters.
Charlie Don’t Surf @ 4 said:
“When the Poesti fields were destroyed Germany fueled it’s war machine with synthetic oil from coal. This technology is almost 70yrs old. … There are very few problems in this world, that after 5 minutes of thought, I can’t blame on leftists.”
We should have converted over to nukes and synthetic petroleum back in the late 1970s. This was an obvious decision after the continental US went past Peak Oil and we began importing foreign oil. Most of our current economic troubles can be traced back to that stupid decision.
stoicheion @ 9 said:
“Berry needs to go. Impeach him NOW! See who in the Senate has the courage to convict.”
Dream on dude. A Democrat controlled Senate convicting the Messiah! What utter fantasy! If the MSM seduces the sheeple into reelecting the Messiah in 2012 –and– Republican majorities gain control of both the House and Senate –then– talk of impeaching the Messiah makes sense. Until then such talk is just a waste of bandwidth.
TCobb in #82
Your point about the financials of energy sources and how government treats its favorites is well made.
Here’s a specific look at how favorable the tax treatment for wind is relative to the taxes for nuclear:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/10/how_taxes_pervert_our_energy_c.html
re alternative energy: If someone found a way to plug electric appliances directly into the ground (ala Tesla), the Democrats would squash it because the slight shift in the Earth’s magnetic field might interfere with the navigation organs of a certain species of moth.
Doug: …reports that Gadhafi has given execution orders to soldiers who have refused to fire on Libyan protesters.
Gosh Doug, I think you’re getting your news from Right Wing Propaganda Outlets or something, after all, Libya is a member of the UN Human Rights Council. Ghaddafi would never do something like that!
Xenndady #64:
I recall a radio ad the Democrats were running shortly after Pres Bush took office. It ended with “And he proposes drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge!” – delivered in the same tone of voice as saying “In your mother’s flower garden!” to a filthy 5 year old caught manipulating a spade.
They ran that ad right up to 11 Sep 2001 and then for some reason pulled it. I wonder why?
HABU: Finally, the world does seem somewhat in a dither at the moment. I believe it started with flouride in the water and later anti-bacterial hand sanitizer. Darn commies.
Habu, my apologies, you were right about the moderation issue. It’s not software, it’s deliberate. Accordingly this will be my last post to BC.
VDH has a nice column on the radicalization of American born muzzies. It is not encouraging:
“Consider: the West’s unique stress on the law as supreme arbitrator, translates into a stress to establish sharia law, Islam’s supreme arbitrator of human affairs; the West’s unwavering commitment to democracy, translates into an unwavering commitment to theocracy, including an anxious impulse to resurrect the caliphate; Western notions of human dignity and pride, when articulated through an Islamist mindset (which sees fellow Muslims as the ultimate, if not only, representatives of humanity) induces rage when fellow Muslims — Palestinians, Afghanis, Iraqis, etc. — are seen under Western, infidel dominion; Western notions of autonomy and personal freedom have even helped “Westernize” the notion of jihad into an individual duty, though it has traditionally been held by sharia as a communal duty.”
And there are those here in this country that worry about not taking them OUT, that their precious children will be harmed etc…well what about the entire American way of life being harmed , including our children?
Deport Islams, what ever changing of the laws describing what a legit reliligion vs. a pholosophy truly is. Islam and freedom are totally immiscible and those who defend it are hopelessly deep in the deep deep underbrush.
Interesting how it’s now first world countries exporting 90% of the basic foodstuffs. We should create an “OCEC” – an Organization of Cereal Exporting Countries and peg our market-basket of a bushel of grain to 2x whatever the price of oil is (better yet, a gallon of gasoline as sold in, say, Houston)..
And we’d agree to dissolve our cartel a few years after they dissolved theirs (a few meaning maybe one year per decade of OPEC existence).
What are the odds they’d double production in 2-3 years and prices would drop back to the mid 80s? (15-20$ a barrel) (granted, at less than $20 a barrel the Saudis can’t cover the rate of their government spending & entitlements).
stoicheion @9: I clicked on my Drudge link and saw the headline ‘Obama flees to Venezuela!’. But then I woke up.
1) derek has demonstrated to my satisfaction that he understands the fundamentals of the issues addressed @47 and @53.
To clarify – fuel cells work wonderfully and have important applications providing power in certain applications where price is not an issue. It’s the claim that they provide a viable solution for our future energy needs as an alternative to oil which creates the scam.
GM’s RD&T work on fuel cells applications in motor vehicles was performed as a contractor to the DOE, for a fee which allowed a very handsome profit. I recall being quite impressed at the time by the profit level that GM had received from the DOE. When the DOE contract was completed, GM shelved the technology. Of course! Its not viable in any foreseeable market for civilian vehicles.
2) As blert@73 described, production of liquids from coal stems from 19th century technology.
Aware of the German success in producing synfuels from coal, in 1944 Congress established R&D centers at Bruceton, Pa (near Pittsburg) and at Morgantown, WV to develop and refine the technology for producing synfuels from coal.
The Fischer Tropsh reaction used by the Germans (and later by the South Africans) has been refined further at the Morgantown facility over many decades. I’ve visited both the Morgantown and Bruceton facilities and I can confirm blert’s bottom line — we are talking about very mature technology here.
3) W@76: Perhaps the DOE folks were thinking of how Iran might use that reactor concept as a faster track to a nuclear arsenal than their jinxed centrifuge efforts.
4) blert@81. Breeder development was stopped for reasons other than the NaK coolant. NaK is but one of many possible coolants for breeders – it was explored at the Idaho Falls facility for the thermodynamic efficiency it potentially provides.
Your basic points are, as is usual in all your posts, entirely correct. Thorium 232 breeds to Uranium 233 (which, like U235, is fissile) in a manner similar to Uranium 238 breeding to Plutonium 239. Thorium fuel has been successfully tested in the US in the Molten Salt Reactor at Oak Ridge.
5) eaglesdontflock. I love the name you use here, and it inspires me to relate to you an experience I enjoyed one mid-winter afternoon several years ago. At an isolated lake in the southern Rockies, I came across a flock of bald eagles fishing from the edge of the ice at midlake. What impressed me, other than the experience of seeing more than a dozen eagles in one place, was the ease and effectiveness at which they went about their task. I watched them for at least two hours as they socialized and fished. An experience never to be forgotten!
AEP and Integrated Gasification Combined Cycle (IGCC) Power Plants:
In August 2004, AEP announced its intentions to construct an Integrated Gasification Combined Cycle (IGCC) power plant and place it in commercial operation by 2010. However, the prospects for our two proposed IGCC project in Ohio and West Virginia are uncertain. Without full support from regulators and legislators in Ohio, West Virginia and Virginia (the West Virginia plant also would serve customers in Virginia), we cannot make the massive investments needed to build this technology, especially when cash flow is tight and access to credit is difficult and expensive. We continue to talk with our regulators and legislators about these options because we believe this technology is critical. IGCC is a clean coal technology.
Note the last sentence. I take bc@85′s point, but the vocabulary is changing in real time.
Regarding the difference between the IGCC design and the combined Brayton & Rankine cycle design, I leave to the more sophisticated students of thermodynamics. My understanding is that the two processes are the …… similar.
Last point is capital cost. The brief blurb above suggests that front end costs are prohibitive. I find that hard to believe. Maybe someone can enlighten me. I recall the availability of venture capital during the run-up to the dot com bubble. Now, suddenly there’s no capital anywhere? Maybe someone should suggest to Goldman Sachs that it might take more than six months to see a ROI.
Loss of industrial base?
wc@94: I clicked on my Drudge link and saw the headline ‘Obama flees to Venezuela!’. But then I woke up.
The news reports that Gaddafi has fled the country. Has anyone checked Sean Penn’s place?
We should always remember when discussing OPEC that the most important member of OPEC is the Democratic Party of the United States of America. They keep more oil off the market than any other member of the Cartel. They were caught a little flat footed by “shale gas” but they are even trying to shut that down — along with Gulf oil and a lot of oil on public land. They should send representatives to OPEC meetings (and who knows, maybe they do).
Remember, for their alternative energy future to work, they need the equivalent of $7 a gallon gas at the pumps.
ybr @ 63: THERE WILL NEVER BE a way to recycle CO2 that leaves the overall process energy-positive … that is, never be except for the one we already have, as blert mentions – the Amazon, the biosphere. And THAT only works because it has an external power source – the sun.
Annals of Improbable Technology, Chapter XIII
So, if one verrrrry carefully funnels *all* of the exhaust of a big coal-fired power plant directly into the cornfields, and, um, maybe only runs it during sunny daylight hours, then one could claim “clean coal”. I won’t even try to run the numbers, but even during sunny days it would probably take many square miles of corn to absorb that much CO2, better yet feeding square miles of greenhouses where the CO2 can be held more tightly and concentrated. Say, a five-mile radius around the power plant.
But then, since you can only run it a maximum of 8 hours a day, or maybe with fancy CO2-storing tricks 10 or 12 hours a day, your return on investment would still be reduced by 50% or more. If indeed turning on and off gigawatt generating facilities was just as easy as flipping a switch, which it is not.
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So, maybe if we have Wisconsin teachers required to put in another four hours a day in three shifts on exercise bikes hooked to generators, that could shine lights on the plants so they could soak up CO2 more hours a day, …
hat tip to Rube Goldberg, wherever you are!
#88. Whitehall
Yeah–I don’t know if current policy is set because of scientific illiteracy, corruption, stupidity, or a blend of the three. The idea that wind power can provide us with reliable power is a joke, and not a very funny one at that. In order to keep a reliable electric grid up you must have the ability to maintain a certain reliable level of power, not necessarily a constant, but it needs to be close.
You can’t do that with the wind. The power of the wind is proportional to the cube of its velocity. And in how many places is the velocity of the wind a constant, or anywhere near close to one? You tell me–I don’t know of any.
#91. Ari Tai
Yes–the nasty little regimes of the ME really need food more than we need their oil. The hand wringing little people in the West say its immoral to use food as a weapon. How is it any more moral for the nasty little ME to use oil as a weapon against us when our economy depends upon it?
We can develop our economy where we are energy independent. They cannot develop their economies where they are food import independent. Who has the greater leverage here over time? Its time for us to quit being the touchy-feely cat that lets the rats eat all our food because we don’t want to hurt their feelings and becoming a real cat that knows how to treat rats it comes into contact with–with fangs.
b@73: Today, bio-diesel from algae is viable ONLY when the critters are able to receive super elevated carbon dioxide pressures. Imagine that!
I am.
I’m also thinking the numbers are getting pretty complicated.
O/T but maybe not entirely unrelated to the general tone of the last few BC posts: someone asked a question (last week, I think) about Zombie and whether he/she/it had left PJM. The answer to the mystery is in Zombie’s new post, “Death Channels.” It has to do with having to care over a period of weeks for an uncle dying of AIDS and coping with the fallout (legal and moral) of an advanced health care directive that the uncle had signed years earlier during an episode of depression. The post is well worth reading in its entirety; Wretchard will be interested in Zombie’s contrast between the kindness of the Filipino hospice orderlies toward his uncle and the coldness of the “(secular no-nonsense) hospital staff,” particularly one “Nurse Kevorkian.”
The moral and political implications of Zombie’s post are chilling, particularly in the brave new era of Obamacare.
http://pajamasmedia.com/zombie/2011/02/21/death-channels/?singlepage=true
Actually, there have been some exciting news about some breakthroughs the Texas Aggies have made in converting coal to liquid fuel. It was estimated as being very competitive with oil even before the latest price increases and does not require large refineries, being easily scalable. Meanwhile the Univ of FL has developed a process for turning various plants into methanol fuel, including waste materials. And there is a company in the midwest that has successfully turned vegetable feedstocks into aviation gasoline – not kerosene but fuel that will run in lieu of 100LL in aircraft.
Josh #99:
I read recently that at a location in the west where they are pumping CO2 into the ground to capture it the process is causing all sorts of problems, including making the groundwater carbonated. Maybe they should change the old TV commercial to “I’d like to turn the world into Coke…”
91. ⚢ Teresita
I don’t think it’s BC. I first came to BC when the USS Clueless went into drydock. I went thru SDB’s blogroll checking out the blogs there, figuring if they were on the Clueless they couldn’t be too bad. As Tomanbeg, IIRC. Then I ended up at mostly Samizdata, till they asked me to leave. Went to ITM as Typos_R_US. Came back here after ITM folded. In all those years, I have not had censorship issues with Wretchard. Until PJM.
I consider PJM to be a “honeytrap” sorta. Get a fake conservative site going, lure conservatives, then use the blog management tools to control the conservatives trapped in the honey.
The gatekeeppers are trying to re-establish control and stifle voices in opposition.
Quitters never win. I’m going to copy this post to a file I keep for that purpose. Since it is in compliance with the published rules, If the censors block it, I will just paste it again. Silly I know, but it takes them longer to block it then it does me to re-post it. While they are blocking me, they cannot be blocking you or anybody else.
If enough of us do it we will give the censor migrains. WE can create our own Tahrir square on PJM.
Algae + CO2 = Biofuel
Right now the problem is timing. There are short and long term solutions to the energy shortage, but from my read the financial aspect and problem of commodities being priced in US dollars that are fast declining in anticipated value is the one that most urgently needs to be addressed.
A current shortage of truck diesel will drive up the price of everything short term and crash jobs.
Wretchard #61
I was just remarking to someone last night that it must have felt like this in August, 1939. Events are coming so thick and fast that even the PR machines cannot spin them quickly enough to appear in control. “The future … has become like a black highway at night. We were in uncharted territory now … making up history as we went along.”
The Poles were expecting war since april 1939
and on our side it was the phoney war until may 1940
But the very excitation for the war was in 1914
The events in Maghreb go faster and aleatory
I don’t think it’s BC. I first came to BC when the USS Clueless went into drydock. I went thru SDB’s blogroll checking out the blogs there, figuring if they were on the Clueless they couldn’t be too bad.
Because of the exchanges that have been occurring between certain commenters, I put some in the moderation queue. You will note that I have been approving them, though there may have been delays on occasion.
I’ve been trying to thread the way between trying to enforce the stated policy of “no ad hominem” and censorship. Basically I check to see if anybody is calling anybody a name, and if not, let it through. And after a time, I normally remove the moderation flag, figuring things have cooled down.
That is the duty of any host. I should add that it affects everybody who may address or refer to a commenter, not just a commenter. So it acts to stop anyone from calling a certain commenter a name as well as to prevent a commenter from going overboard in a heated exchange. Those who think they have been wronged should also consider that I’ve spent time keeping them from being called names.
In general, there are only two rules here. Argue anything, but not to death. And don’t call each other commenters names or attach labels to them. Attack the ideas, not the person.
This in practice means to try and avoid dozens of comments in a single post. Four is the suggested number. But the spirit is to keep the thread varied and alive. It also means we ought not to ordinarily words like “jigaboo”, “lesbian”, “Zionist”, etc in reference to each other.
Nobody likes the referee. It is always “kill the bum”. But some degree of refereeing is necessary if this is to remain a pleasant place. I am sorry for any offense that has been taken. None has been intended.
I predict that The Pickens Plan, which would convert the truck fleet to nat gas, will not be passed by Congress.
@95 A rare sight indeed, but perhaps you saw pigeons or buzzards? Eagles don’t flock.
Science and technology change at warp speed. It’s hard to keep up isn’t it? Do you use an Android or iPhone? Imagine that concept in 1965, vis a vis the IBM 360.
Coal is plentiful and breakthrough technology is on the horizon. Same with fuel cell.
YBR…
It’s the EPA tax on conversions that’s frustrating any aspect of the Pickens dream.
The tax is $20,000 per location, per engine type, per year.
Plainly, only a national manufacturer can afford this tax/fee.
Thusly, no retro-fit operations exist.
It solves the chicken or egg question with: neither.
Thanks (again) blert. I knew there was a hangup somewhere.
Zionist?
Agree that clean coal is doable — if by “clean” you mean reducing sulfer and other by-products like that. But the climate alarmists say that good-old CO2 (what you emit when you breathe) is a pollutant. There is no way to not emit CO2 when burning coal, hence to the climate alarmists there is no such thing a clean coal.
BTW — CO2 is not a pollutant, so there is no need to pump CO2 into the ground from coal plants.
Why not do the easy things first…We’ve been flaring natural gas in Prudhoe Bay for the last 40 years so build the Alaskan natural gas pipeline along side the Aleyeska Pipe Line. Restore drilling and production in the Gulf, develop ANWR and the Bakin fields, kill the Dept of Energy and set up a fund for R&D to develop; small nukes, thorium reactors et all. The wind energy business is a total flop without massive government subsidies, solar is still expensive per watt and all of the other stuff not very scalable. Drill Baby Drill!
RWE #90
I suspect we might start hearing those advertisements again- only it will be the GOP shining a spotlight on what the left will attempt to deflect. E. g., George Bush was President when an attempt to drill in ANWAR was blocked! So it’s all George Bush’s fault!! Blame him, not us!!! Look over there, a shiny thing!!!!
stoicheion #104
Forgive me for saying this, but your comment made me laugh out loud. As I’m sure you know our host is famously the author of the Three Conjectures. I don’t think I’ll be surprising or offending anyone if I note that by the standards of our lamestream media they were quite politically incorrect. Hence I have a rough time squaring that with the idea that his site is nothing more than some sort of honey pot for conservatives.
You note that you’ve been asked to leave another site. Uhm…maybe you should wonder about that a bit, instead of- well, you know…
Sigintel…
To my knowledge methane is used to heat and pump Alaskan crude. Beyond that it is injected into the thick crude to cut its viscosity. And then, finally, it is re-injected to increase oil production. Flaring is mostly avoided.
Fracking is going to extend the life of the North Slope.
It also may be a politically viable way of extracting oil from the ANWR. It reduces the foot print considerably.
The Bakken is ramping exponentially and is already calculated to be equal to all other American reserves – excluding off shore. The build out continues.
Fracking may do wonders in the Philippines. Her oil deposits are similar to the Bakken: thin & high quality.
114, 115. etal. I settled on coal and fuel cell because they are the two energy options the Obama administration is trying to obliterate. From my observations, this isn’t something Obama thinks up on his own. It’s usually driven by some America hating poohbah in the background with an agenda.
I’m dismayed at the condition of my country, with its vast natural and human resources. With the right leadership, shining cities are once again possible. But not with the Middle East and parasitic cabals sucking out our last dime and sending our will up in smoke.
Revolution at the ballot box until we get thought leadership and purge the scum.
CB@114 (and Doug earlier): CO2 is not a pollutant
Neither is water, but it still floods. Nature is more than elementary particles. Nature is balance. How much is too much might be in question, but I look at it like derivatives – 12:1 is ok but 40:1 not so good.
And there is a use for excess CO2: Algae + CO2 = Biofuel
eagles@118: I’m dismayed at the condition of my country, with its vast natural and human resources.
Agreed. I’m putting ‘a substantial portion’ of the blame (50%) on Wall St. They are not creating the conditions to finance build-out because the time frame for ROI is years rather than months.
Informally, there’s a lot of spare cash out there, sloshing about in the system. Why is it not being put to productive work?
Nobody likes the referee. It is always “kill the bum”. But some degree of refereeing is necessary if this is to remain a pleasant place. I am sorry for any offense that has been taken. None has been intended.
Wretchard, you apologized because you are a gentlemen. But, really, no apology was needed. This is a fantastic blog and you are a fantastically gracious host and terrific writer. I’m sure I speak for many when I say that I appreciate all you do in maintaining this place as a hangout for the rest of us.
BTW, got your book, have not read it yet (multiple bouts of flu, moving residences, snow that won’t quit, massive dejection after some rotten team posing as my Steelers laid a dino-sized egg in the biggest game of the year), but will post a review on Amazon when I do.
#120. YBR
Informally, there’s a lot of spare cash out there, sloshing about in the system. Why is it not being put to productive work?
Because there are sucking tax vampires ready to pounce upon it if the cash ducks out of cover.
I see. Calling an open lesbian who often blogs about her lesbianism at this site, one who uses a lesbian symbol as part of her online nic, and who frequently discusses her viewpoint through the lens of her lesbianism, calling such a poster a “Lesbian”? Beyond the pale. Defending oneself against accusations of genocide and wild accusations that I called for concentration camps for the Muslims per the Jews of Europe in the lead-up to WW2? Beyond the pale.
Check.
#121 bogie wheel
some rotten team posing as my Steelers laid a dino-sized egg
Maybe the Pirates will take the WS this year and restore the honor of yinzers.
this thread is bs
eaglesdontflock: check out the photos at the link. Just an easy find from the dogpile, though I’m sure there are many more examples of eagles “flocking”.
http://elstonhill.com/Haines2.html
@YBR Agreed about Wall St. Have you read Gasparino’s “Bought and Paid For”? Depressing.
81. blert
95. ScenarioA
Your basic points are, as is usual in all your posts, entirely correct. Thorium 232 breeds to Uranium 233 (which, like U235, is fissile) in a manner similar to Uranium 238 breeding to Plutonium 239. Thorium fuel has been successfully tested in the US in the Molten Salt Reactor at Oak Ridge.
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I had thought that one virtue of thorium was that it couldn’t be weaponized. However, if in order to be useful– it has to bred up to a uranium isatope that in turn can in turn be weaponized — then thorium is not so interesting except that it is very abundant. Would be nice to have a tame radioactive technology for the mini/portable nuclear power plants so that you could drop them anywhere and not worry bad guys getting a hold of them.
It is important to remember that wind and solar have been chosen by the luddite left, not because they will work in spite of their problems but precisely because they will never work, we can never run an advanced modern civilization on wind and solar. The fact that they don’t and won’t work is not a bug, it’s a feature.
The phrase for the left’s obstruction of the development of any type of energy which would actually work is: “Political Peak Oil”.
Moderation is an annoyance, somewhere on the airport security to motor vehicles scale. It may be worse if a mindless bot is holding things up rather than a human doing their best. There is no moral argument that I can see against a private blog owner screening his comment stream. Some PJM blogs hold everyone for approval for a few minutes or hours. On NRO commentators fall into two classes, the herd that gets screened and gold star trusted. In this case there are two reasons that moderation is hard to achieve.
1. Volume, BC threads routinely go over 100 comments a day, 10-20 times the PJM norm.
2. Time zones, most flame wars and many comments happen when Wretchard is either at work or asleep. He is on the other side of the world from most of us.
Given those conditions he can’t screen every comment because it would kill the blog. Unfortunately that means that when he does have to delay comments, really he is acting like the NYSE pulling a brake to stop a panic, it becomes very personal. That naturally produces a reaction which is the opposite of what I think he wants. If he had help, a couple of trusted people with long records of not getting into any disputes, which I think lets me out and makes this selfless, then he could routinely have more posts reviewed and released in a matter of minutes. That would actually take the sting out of the procedure.
110. eaglesdontflock
@95 A rare sight indeed, but perhaps you saw pigeons or buzzards? Eagles don’t flock.
Where you been, sweetpea?
When I drive road-trains up in the Northern Territory (in Oz)years ago, it was common to see a dozen or more stripping the carcasses of various big critters like camels and water buffalo or cattle at the roadside.
The Roads Department would pull any carcasses off to the side of the road and they’d be reduced to skeletons in a few days. It was a race between the eagles and the blowflies.
The eagles would get so bloated from all the food they would jump off the carcass and waddle away if I slowed the truck down. If I kept a reasonable speed they would just stare between ripping strips off the down critter’s remains.
Eagles do indeed flock. And the wedge tailed eagles down here are just as majestic as Bald Headed Eagles and a lot less bashful.
@PA Cat:
Maybe the Pirates will take the WS this year and restore the honor of yinzers.
Riiiiiight. And Zimbabwe will pay off all of the U.S.’s debt. And Michael Moore will win the next Dancing With the Stars. And buddy larsen will elope with Nancy Pelosi.
re: energy independence (as a means to defund/defuse/disarm/disable and/or ignore the ME miscreants).
As long as energy can’t be tied to a location (enforced by technology or arms) the world price of energy will be set in the marketplace and simply producing as much as we consume will accomplish nothing towards the ME goal. There’s no connection between the two unless energy independence is read to mean “turn the value of the ME’s natural resources into less than their marginal cost of production” (roughly $2 a barrel from Ghawar as pumped onto a supertanker).
The only way this can be achieved is with (oil or some other source of) energy produced at less than $2 a barrel, and if oil, we have to be able to produce it for the entire world at that rate (or use the Navy to blockade), else the ME will still be getting richer and able to wreak havoc (ok, at under $20 the Saud family is deposed and life (probably) gets a lot worse).
We the people are profoundly innumerate in these area.. starting with “how does wealth and welfare relate to the cost of energy?” – a hint.. the more it costs, the more we sweat; the fewer people we can sell (fewer of) our goods to; the fewer people can market (fewer of) their goods to us.. it’s the largely hidden divisor (lubricator) in all economic equations..
Which is all why I have a hard time putting the term “energy independence” in any paragraph that implies it will affect the mid-east – it will not and cannot in any technical or economic sense unless a miracle occurs. So – if we want to be able to ignore or defund the ME, we’ll need to find another way. “Energy independence” is a meaningless term in its common use – and because of this (lack of actionable / achievable definition) the term has little to do with national security – and is a net negative when used in a national security discussion.. (I prefer to use “unicorn farts” in similar settings – when a discussion needs to be derailed :-/ ).
Let’s say our oil imports were cut drastically. How would we keep our farms operating to grow wheat for bread, etc?
Have those same farms grow sunflower (about 8 acres of sunflower will keep a farm going for a short season — calculating about 100 gallons per acre) and use the filtered sunflower oil to pour directly into slightly altered farm equipment diesel engines. This is not bio-fuel per se since it does not involve complicated chemical refining of bio-diesel. It is more like just plain veggie oil. A competent diesel mechanic can perform the alterations (mostly to some seals and the fuel injectors) in an hour or so.
A friend of mine has been working on this here: http://www.flowerpowerfuel.com/home.html
“It’s the EPA tax on conversions that’s frustrating any aspect of the Pickens dream.”
Actually, no. It’s the thought of driving around with a very powerful bomb strapped to your automoble that is killing his pipe dream of being the world’s first Trillionaire. google LNG explosion. A surprising number have been caught on film or vid. Every seen rush hour in Houston? Imagine what will happen when a truck plows into a minivan and the LNG tack explodes into a fireball 50 meters wide. That will set off the other fuel tanks. You will have a long line of Explosions marching thru Houston to Sugarland. Will you accept responsibility for the thousnds of deaths? T. Boone won’t.
“You note that you’ve been asked to leave another site. Uhm…maybe you should wonder about that a bit, instead of- well, you know…”
Actually many. DU, Slate, RCP just to name a few. ALWAYS for disagreeing with someone and providing evidence on why I disagree. The closest I came to violating the rules was at Samizdata, where I was infamous for using the “I”m confused” technique to point out where idiots were being idiots. I would never CALL anyone an idiot. Don’t need to most of the time. Just a few facts and let the readers draw their own conclusion. At SD it was asking if that was something everybody in their neighborhood knew. Since That question isn’t an attack, I don’t feel I did wrong by asking it. For example; I would ask #125 Jerry if he felt that way, why is he adding to it? NO ad hominem there. Insulting? Perhaps. Insult is a state of mind. If you choose to be insulted you will be, doesn’t matter what anyone types. AS far as being ejected from a blog, if you haven’t been, you probably had nothing to say. Dialog REQUIRES disagreement. If there is no disagreement, it’s a monologue. If you think I have my facts wrong argue them. IF you don’t like they way my facts reflect on your opinion, re-think it. Censoring me or banning me is wrong. It won’t change the conclusions that were not debated either.
stoi…
NO ONE is advocating LNG… For a smart guy what’s up with you? Really?
CNG is used on a massive scale – weirdly Pakistan is massively on it. ( Hint, they have mega deposits in Baluchistan.)
It’s NOT a problem. Get over it.
LNG for transport is restricted to trains and ships. NO ONE is projecting it for class eight rigs.
http://wonderful-russia.net/russian-technology-industry/most-powerful-gas-turbine-electric-locomotive-gtel/
This is a completely operational LNG train set.
Click it and weep.
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The tax is a crusher.
Because of it no investor wants to build a CNG compression facility for class eight rigs on the I-5 corridor.
Because of no re-fueling depots no manufacturer ( PACAR ) wants to produce CNG tractors.
The idea that CNG is a bigger bomb than your typical gas tank has been refuted by experience.
Drop it.
Ari…
The Jews need only await the inevitable: ghost town islamia….
It took the 2,000-year old man to realize that Moses was a shmoe….
Carl Reiner held the interview and established — by a living witness –that he could have gone right!
Get with the program!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Year_Old_Man
BTW, I’m interviewing the 20,000 year old man.
He can’t shut up about the family.
What a critic!
Paul Gregory (USSR scholar, Hoover Institution) has this warning about the fate of Egypt:
An Egyptian Power Struggle: Why the Worst Will Win (Lesson’s from Lenin’s Playbook)
“The media has again begun its celebration. Another repressive dictator has been overthrown (or is about to be). The people are massed in the streets demanding freedom. Talk turns to a successor who will restore order and create a new and better order. We hear these familiar words as the thirty-year-old Mubarak regime totters on the brink.
“The hard reality is that this optimistic scenario rarely works out. A worse (or equally bad) dictator rises to the top, not a democracy or even a more benevolent dictator. Throughout history, it is the Lenins, Stalins, Ayatolla Khomeneis, Saddams, and Aristides who replace the Czars, the Shahs, the al-Bakrs, and the Papa Docs. Successful transitions from dictatorship to democracy of the Philippines and South Korea are the exception and require special circumstances.
“. . . The Lenin-Stalin-Khomenei-Saddam has substantial advantages in a power struggle, and there is little the outside world can do. He is unconstrained by a moral compass; he is willing to do whatever is necessary to gain power. These advantages are multiplied when the dictator-to-be does abhorrent things in the name of a powerful ideology. Lenin and Stalin had socialism and its intellectual admirers in the West. Saddam had Arab nationalism, and Khomenei had his vision of a fundamental Islamic revival.
“. . . Lenin’s playbook of 1917 is still the classic. His ‘Bolshevik’ party was organized as a tiny party of professional revolutionaries. The Bolsheviks were part of the February-revolution coalition that dispensed with the Czar. The victors agreed to elect a constituent assembly to create a new multi-party parliament. Lenin had carefully wooed supporters within army and navy units, and he had enough of them to drive Kerensky’s timid provisional government from the Winter Palace in November 1917 without a shot.
“After the Bolsheviks received only 20 percent of the popular vote for the constituent assembly, Lenin sent in armed sailors to its first meeting and bolted the doors forever. Lenin then ordered his bloody Red Terror against rival parties and independent thinkers. Notably, he suppressed those parties most brutally that were the closest to the Bolsheviks in ideology. He could not afford to have any rival in the wings. The Czar and his young son and teen age daughters were slaughtered in Siberia.
“It was left to Lenin’s successor, Stalin, to move against his own party. By 1938, he had executed any and all party leaders whom he regarded as a threat.
“Lenin’s formula for power fits the Egyptian situation to a T. . . .
“The Egyptian army is the one wild card, just as the Czarist army was Lenin’s wild card. Indeed, remnants of the White Army fought Trotsky’s Red Army to a standstill, until they were split apart by internal disputes. The advantage to Lenin and the next Egyptian dictator is that both armies were conscripted rather than professional. Conscripted armies are less likely to fill a power vacuum than professional armies. . . .”
http://whatpaulgregoryisthinkingabout.blogspot.com/2011/01/egyptian-power-struggle-why-worst-will.html
Charles@128 said: ” I had thought that one virtue of thorium was that it couldn’t be weaponized.”
::sigh:: One has to wonder where these internet myths come from. Thorium breeds to Uranium 233 which works well in both implosion and gun weapon configurations. The only disadvantage of the Th232/U233 path is that a U232 byproduct gives off radiation which (a) creates a workplace hazard for those assembling the bomb and (b) makes it easier to detect a hidden bomb. One source summarizes the weaponization of the Th232/U233 path thusly:
“The properties of U-233 as a nuclear explosive would seem to make it quite attractive to bomb-makers. Its bare-sphere critical mass is very similar to that of delta-phase plutonium-239, which is to say it’s only 50 percent greater than that of alpha-phase plutonium-239 and about one third that of uranium-235. (Its greater reactivity compared to that of U-235 is reflected in the fact that a mixture of only 12 percent U-233 in U-238 is considered weapon usable, as opposed to the corresponding figure of 20 percent for U-235.) The rate of neutron generation from spontaneous fission in U-233 is low enough, moreover, to permit its use in the simpler gun-type weapon designs as well as in implosion designs; and its decay heat is one sixth that of Pu-239. Its gamma-ray dose rate is in the same range as that from weapon-grade plutonium.”
Not to be cynical… but the way things are going in ME (Q. Duffy Duck big, enormous ego), we may have a silver lining despite the likelihood of a brown organic matter hitting rotating blades soon. Kind of a popcorn time, with localized fatwahs flying whichever way. Arab league = 340 million at present.
104/Stoicheion: Side observation: Instapundit’s frequent Amazon plugs disguised as blog entries.
108/W: Thanks for the clarification!
Beverly, in your attempt to transpose the situation/circumstances of the Bolshevik revolution on today’s Egypt, you missed out on one thing. Tribes. That would give it a unique flavor. More like Sudan-ish.
Of course, the Muslim Brüderbund will try to pick the low hanging fruit. Some liberal Arabs see it coming, too:
http://www.aawsat.com/english/news.asp?section=2&id=24248
I think oil consumption is always a controversial topic across the globe. We are all aware on the issues and this is an interesting topic. I am more concerned on the solutions that the government are undertaking to improve oil economy.
If post-revolutionary Libya, Tunisia and Egypt become allied to Iran, western europe faces a major problem, both from missiles and the loss of security over the Mediteranean sea.
136. Blert
We’re using LNG in road-trains, even triples and quads in Oz,
CNG is too bulky for distance work and has about 600 times the bulk in its gaseous form.
We’re talking serious usage here with big engines pulling up to 150 tonnes.
Such trucks have been in service for 5 or 6 years now in Western Australia.
The technology is there and it would be possible to switch over rapidly in the US if there was sufficient motivation to do so.
Google Cummins Westport or Westport Innovations.
Bottom line is road transport doesn’t need ME crude to run efficiently.
It would seem prudent for the US and Canada to encourage the switch. And the fuel is clean burning.
Boiled Cabbage, mayhaps yuros would have to shift from Eurabia to Eupersia.
Boiled Cabbage
I’d say, it’s rather Turkey
Turkey Navigates Unrest: Turkey’s dramatically increased economic and political role in the Middle East and … http://on.wsj.com/fPULae
Wretchard: just wanted to thank you for the excellent blog and (to me) completely unobtrusive moderation. This is a fantastic resource for all of us; your writing combines important information in original and powerful ways, and virtually guarantees the great feedback and development from all the commenters. Quality of discourse: very high. Role of trolls: virtually invisible.
Regarding this thread topic, I am hoping that the optimists are right but we’re running out of time.
There are always outliers. As a rule, eagles don’t flock. When was the last time you saw a flock of bald eagles flying? They congregate in groups to eat sometimes, but that is not flocking.
Flock, you guys are good at picking fly specks out of the pepper.
And I agree, this is one of my favorite blogs. The discourse is enlightening and rich in content. I always learn. I am not intellectually competitive, but maybe if I hang around long enough it will rub off.
Thanks Wretchard.
in re: Moderation
As I tried to note in a previous thread [and it just vanished when I hit "submit comment", never to be heard from again] this site has a far more light-handed moderation than the rest of the PJM conglomerate. At the other sites, pretty much everything has to be cleared by a moderator before appearing. Here, moderation seems to be rare, which allows the flow of thought to move unimpeded. I am glad that Wretchard explained the process in # 108 above.
This is a place of ideas and free discussion. We were discussing IQ’s, etc. on an earlier thread. NO I am not one of those who got the perfect 1600 on the SAT’s, but MENSA says that I definitely qualify for membership. And I suspect that if we knew each other in the real world, we would find that most of us qualified. Which makes this place special. It does not mean we always agree, but that we can make our points and expect intelligent replies.
To be honest, I don’t know how Wretchard does it. He is 12 time zones away, has a job and life, and still puts out amazing content, constantly. I find him brilliant, albeit far more hopeful for the future than I. If I have posts disappear [happens once every few months] I do not assume that I am being targeted. It just means that somewhere in the complex chain of software and connections going back and forth; part of which is created by MicroShaft, something got lost. If it starts happening regularly, I might start having questions. But for now I am happy to be here.
Subotai Bahadur
Blert #136:
I did a study for NASA on composite pressure vessels a couple of years ago. As a result I learned quite a bit about CNG use in vehicles.
CNG tanks are large and heavy compared to gasoline tanks. For example a CNG tank holding the equivalent of 10 gallons of gasoline weighs 100 pounds empty, 150 pounds full. And of course the CNG tanks cost a great deal more than gasoline tanks as well
CNG is, if anything, safer in an accident than is gasoline. Gasoline pools on the ground is likely to cook the vehicle. In contrast CNG vents upward. Large CNG leaks have even occurred inside garages, with ignition, and the only result was some scorching of the ceiling. I found no cases in which CNG tanks in vehicles went up like a bomb, even in an accident. And if you got hit hard enough to rupture the CNG tank you were already dead from the impact.
Fueling stations do not have to be terribly expensive. Private firms use them for their fleets and they even make them for home use.
Biggest problem with CNG for vehicles, aside from general availability of fueling sites, is that the tanks have a limited life and do not take well to being banged in fender benders or having corrosive substances dripped on them. They have to be professionally inspected and maintained like nothing else in a motor vehicle – and discarded if they get too old or have some damage, no matter how minor.
So CNG tanks are well suited to 18 wheelers, busses, a company fleets, where they can use a limited number of fueling stations and can be professionally maintained. And there is no reason they can’t be used in private vehicles, either, but it is not as easy to do as gasoline powered vehicles. Dual-fuel automobiles have been made, but most of the end up using just gasoline.
The only thing that makes sense:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pickens_Plan
http://www.pickensplan.com/
http://www.pickensplan.com/act/
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BTW, i second subotai –i lose comments regularly. Usually my best comments, too. why this is so i do not know, other than that what makes them my best is that nobody ever sees them.
CNG portage should be from atop the tractor.
A conformal aero-skirt would deflect air resistance overtop.
I favor dual fuel class eight rigs until such time as CNG is available much more widely.
BTW, CNG can be co-injected to pull down emissions. Such designs are much more forgiving and ought to get rolling for such vehicles as school buses, the sootiest diesels on the road.
blert (and everyone), find some ‘happening’ movement at various info dumps around
http://www.google.com/finance?rls=com.microsoft:en-US&oe=utf8&q=clne&rlz=1I7GGLL_en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=we
CLNE (Clean Energy Fuels Corp) is Boone Pickens’ CNG venture –i always recall the symbol via acronym:
“Cowboy Luck Never Ends”
*see bottom right of webpage for Annual Report PDF as well as various data-drenched analyst reports from well-known houses –
Blert #154:
For buses CNG tanks on the top is a common installation. The only problem is that this makes the vehicle higher on on occasion the bus drivers forget how high and stuff it into a low underpass. Even this is not catastrophic since the CNG, already located on the top, vents upward.
For 18 wheelers top carry makes sense, although I would suspect that it would be a good idea to figure out how to carry them on the trailer as well as the tractor to increase capacity up to what they experience with Diesel. By the way, I understand that Tinker AFB, Midwest City, OK (where I used to be stationed) is becoming a center for CNG use and I guess is becoming a refueling stop for CNG vehicles. Being right on I-40 and not far from I-35 it is an excellent spot for that purpose.
Putting CNG tanks under the chassis presents opportunities for disaster. The industry is concerned over a CNG tank that blew on a laundry van 2 years ago; it went for no apparant reason, but road damage was the likely cause.
The rising price of gasoline is likely to drive CNG use more than anything. There is already a considerable price advantage – on the order of 50% lower for eqvivalent amnount of fuel. Also, fuel shortages are unlikely for CNG.
One MCF (1,000 cubic feet –it’s the standard quantity unit, tho compresseed ) of natgas will get your 18 wheeler as far as fast as 7 gallons of diesel –$4-5 worth of natty vs vs $25-30 worth of diesel, to cover the same distance at the same velocity.
So, natty is currently five to seven times cheaper than diesel.
Plus it’s twice as clean, EPA regs-wise.
Plus it’s ours, we own it, the money doesn’t leave the USA to buy rope to hang us with.
Plus, we have a century or five’s worth of it.
If worst-case scenarios in energy/money/revolution play out, people will die by the millions. God help us all.